For Kerry Supporters Only

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by LoraJ
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=369

I've been following this on another site. I'm trying to make heads or tails out of it before I start screaming too loudly. I will say, at first glance, it looks very bad.

 

[LoraJ]

Originally posted by peachgirl
I've been following this on another site. I'm trying to make heads or tails out of it before I start screaming too loudly. I will say, at first glance, it looks very bad.

yeah, it does.

On another site I frequent, someone there was contacting a few papers hoping maybe they can make heads or tails of it.

Maybe tomorrow we will see it on snopes though.

 

[swea_pea1]

I'm always late to the party, but I can't DIS from work so here I am at 10:00 at night

FIK - welcome back! We have missed you!!!!

Sandy - thank you for so eloquently voicing your opinion. I may not agree with it, but I agree with your right to voice it.

PG - I also tried to make heads or tails of it and can't seem to. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I did like this comment submitted by a reader though:

The link to “the correspondence” mentioned in the article is dead. Still, I believe the emails exist and the means by which they were sent to the wrong web address seems plausible, too. After all, Republicans sometimes get confused by all the Internets they have to choose from.

Sounds like they'd be right at home here!

Now, for the pick-me-up I had today from www.electoral-vote.com:

The future belongs to the young. And maybe the election, too. Gallup did a survey among first time voters and determined that they prefer Kerry to Bush by a huge margin, 50% to 35%. First time voters are primarily in the 18-29 year age range. This is the same population that may have been undersampled in the polls because many of them have only a cell phone and no landline. Zogby's tracking poll, which breaks down the results by demographic group, shows a similar result. Young (18-29) voters have markedly different preferences than the population as a whole. In six of the ten states surveyed, Kerry leads by double digits. These are Colorado (32%), Florida (22%), New Mexico (28%), Pennsylvania (15%), Wisconsin (16%), and Michigan (32%). In Nevada Kerry's lead is 8%. Bush leads among younger voters in two states: Iowa (4%) and Minnesota (20%). The latter number defies all reason. I wonder if it was a typo. Maybe if enough people ask Zogby to double check this, we'll find out. But the conclusion is clear: if younger voters break with tradition and actually vote in large numbers this time, it could swing the election.

So, it doesn't look good today, but as somebody else mentioned, the only poll that matters is one a week from today. Get out your extra undies, pizza, and ramen noodles, 'cause the youth belongs to Kerry!

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by peachgirl
I've been following this on another site. I'm trying to make heads or tails out of it before I start screaming too loudly. I will say, at first glance, it looks very bad.

This should be your first clue as to its veracity:

Emails intended for President Bush’s reelection campaign mistakenly sent to a parody site, georgewbush.org, reveal that White House and Capitol Hill staffers advised the campaign while on the clock, and that the campaign also received counsel from Libya leader Gaddafi’s D.C. public relations firm.

The site, which published the correspondence yesterday, also posted the email headers, which show how the message has been routed across the Internet, to confirm their veracity.

This type if thing is easily spoofed.

Not saying it's not true, not saying it is. Just saying if this is all they have to go on, it looks suspect.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by peachgirl
I don't disagree. However, I find it impossible to believe that even half of the people in Oklahoma believe in sterilization for poor women and the death penalty for doctors who perform abortions.

So, my only conclusion is that they are voting for Coburn because he's a Republican.


Does party matter? In my case, I could say that I vote for the man and not the party but I'm not sure what the difference is. I've never found a Republican to vote for that I could agree with. Since I don't believe in throwing my vote away on third party candidates that have no chance to win, that leaves me voting Democrat every time.

I may not care for Carson's positions, but he is most definitely the lesser of two evils. The fact that this election is a dead heat proves that some Republicans aren't voting party lines, but many of them are. In this particular race, the Republicans should be enjoying a rout instead of sweating out a close one.

Well, I'll admint that on local elections I rarely look at party. I've voted for many a Dem based primarily on their positions. I'm far more liberal when it comes to local issues than some on this board may think.

 

[Sandy V.]

swea_pea1 - Thank you.

There are a lot of very smart people on both sides of this election, and it doesn't make sense to be rude or inflammatory to either faction. Especially when 1/2 of us will be disappointed with the election's results, but hopefully ALL of us will be back on the CB the next day to talk about it and about many other things in the future.

I just happened to pop in after reading my e-mail; everyone have a pleasant evening!!

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Sandy V.
swea_pea1 - Thank you.

There are a lot of very smart people on both sides of this election, and it doesn't make sense to be rude or inflammatory to either faction. Especially when 1/2 of us will be disappointed with the election's results, but hopefully ALL of us will be back on the CB the next day to talk about it and about many other things in the future.

I just happened to pop in after reading my e-mail; everyone have a pleasant evening!!

Kerry is absolutely the wrong choice for president in this election. However, if elected he will have my support. I believe in democracy and supporting our leaders. Regardless of the campaign, he's our commander in chief. Hopefully some of his promises like the middle class tax break, pulling nations together, killing the terrorists, conducting a smarter war, getting other countries to help foot the bill, opposition to gay marriage, improving education, improving healthcare and improved security will actually come true. I'll be cheering him on after the election if he wins until proven otherwise.

 

[momof2inPA]

Originally posted by peachgirl
I've been following this on another site. I'm trying to make heads or tails out of it before I start screaming too loudly. I will say, at first glance, it looks very bad.

That does look bad. Nixon-like. Operation cage, could that have been falsely arresting possible Democratic voters on some kind of trumped up charges? That might explain the surveillance.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by dmadman43
This should be your first clue as to its veracity:



This type if thing is easily spoofed.

Not saying it's not true, not saying it is. Just saying if this is all they have to go on, it looks suspect.

I realize that the source is a bit questionable because of bias, which is why you haven't seen me give any details about this.

However, with the number of emails listed and details within those emails, that would be some spoof job.

Time will tell........

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by dmadman43
Well, I'll admint that on local elections I rarely look at party. I've voted for many a Dem based primarily on their positions. I'm far more liberal when it comes to local issues than some on this board may think.

Actually, I should correct myself. I have voted Republican (shudder) ...twice.

Once for a country road commissioner and once for a tax assessor.

I know, it's not much, but at least I can say I don't vote straight party lines.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Actually, I should correct myself. I have voted Republican (shudder) ...twice.

Once for a country road commissioner and once for a tax assessor.

I know, it's not much, but at least I can say I don't vote straight party lines.

ha ha. Well, starting slow is the best approach. It's not as painful. At least that was my experience voting Dem

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by peachgirl
I realize that the source is a bit questionable because of bias, which is why you haven't seen me give any details about this.

However, with the number of emails listed and details within those emails, that would be some spoof job.

Time will tell........

Fair point

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by momof2inPA
That does look bad. Nixon-like. Operation cage, could that have been falsely arresting possible Democratic voters on some kind of trumped up charges? That might explain the surveillance.

I have a question about the link. I looked at it, and I didn't see anything "wrong" with the emails. I did read the Greg Palast article where he claims the names were voters targeted for vote challenges and the bit with the private detective, but then I had to wonder, why wasn't the detective named and interviewed?

And what exactly is being alledged with all the other emails?

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
well, you could knock me over with a feather !


Andrew Sullivan comes out in support of Kerry !

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?pt=qFFINfAm4eR7PMnY1tkQ2m==

an excellent read.

Yes, it is an excellent read. Andrew Sullivan started to sour on Bush when Bush started to push his constitutional amendment over gay marriage.

It's a funny thing: Once someone starts to doubt Bush or take a 2nd look at him, invariably they end up not supporting him. Just my observation.

 

[LisaZoe]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
Well I did it. I went out into the main page to look for the word game threads. And I saw all the anti Kerry threads. How could I not? They abound ! They really are a bunch of hysterical posters aren't they? And they look so damned cute in their little tinfoil hats !

Isn't it amazing how it seems to be a very small number of users who start most of the Kerry bashing political threads? Many are becoming more and more paranoid in tone as well.

 

[Bella2000]

Originally posted by momof2inPA
That does look bad. Nixon-like. Operation cage, could that have been falsely arresting possible Democratic voters on some kind of trumped up charges? That might explain the surveillance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/3956129.stm

On the right side is a place to click on video with the words "Watch Newsnight" Unfortunately the link plays using real player vs. quicktime so ignore the buffering but this is a video of the whole program on the BBC program Newsnight from their website. It starts with regular headlines on it (0:13 - 0:37) and then the story is on 1:21 (mostly human interest stuff ) then 4:59 - 16:59 is the section on the "caging" aka "challenge list. The video is better than the story because you see the interviews with former Bush Election lawyer Barry Richard and the Tallahassee Republican spokesperson Mindy Tucker Fletcher and Election Supervisor (and Democrat) Ion Sancho and the private eye. So you can see with your own eyes and ears the responses. The sense that I got is no one is questioning this list but in fact it's acknowledged. The difference was how the list was going to be utilized.

p.s. I again broke my rule about posting in political threads but that link was fascinating and I learned something new researching it since I didn't see anything on snopes where I looked initially. So, thanks so much for posting it.

p.p.s (46:26 in the same video has commentary by PJ O'Rourke)

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by momof2inPA
That does look bad. Nixon-like. Operation cage, could that have been falsely arresting possible Democratic voters on some kind of trumped up charges? That might explain the surveillance.

Ohio Gov. Taft: Four Counties Have More Registrants than Eligible Voters

Appearing on CNN's American Morning program Tuesday, Ohio's Republican Governor Bob Taft painted a disturbing picture of widespread vote fraud in his state.

Taft told CNN's Bill Hemmer that in four Ohio counties, more people have registered to vote than live in those counties and are of voting age.

"We have four counties where you have more voters registered than you have 18 and over population," Taft said.

Taft noted the role of Democrat 527 groups who have inflated Ohio's voter registeration rolls.

"We've had a lot of fraudulent voter registrations already, mostly by those 527 groups. There will be unprecedented scrutiny of this election on both sides," he said. Taft noted that many of these new registrations appear to be fraudulent.

"A lot of these voters don't have addresses," he said of the new registrations. "When they send the postcard out to them, after they register, that comes back undeliverable. You're talking about thousands of cases like that all across the State of Ohio."

Taft says he hopes the heightened level of scrutiny will lead to "an accurate count for the State of Ohio."

Taft said vote monitors will seek to "make sure that a voter is a citizen, 18 and over, and a resident of the precinct and county where they plan to vote."

And of course there are stories like the following:
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbc...EWS09/410190343

 

[Lady Cluck]

Thought everyone would get a kick out of this:

http://www.monsterslash.org/

It really is Bobby "Boris" Pickett doing the vocals. How about a list of celebrities who have come out in support of Kerry or those who have been along for the ride for most of the campaign?

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Lady Cluck
Thought everyone would get a kick out of this:

http://www.monsterslash.org/

It really is Bobby "Boris" Pickett doing the vocals. How about a list of celebrities who have come out in support of Kerry or those who have been along for the ride for most of the campaign?

Very good, thanks for sharing.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Originally posted by Lady Cluck
Thought everyone would get a kick out of this:

http://www.monsterslash.org/

It really is Bobby "Boris" Pickett doing the vocals. How about a list of celebrities who have come out in support of Kerry or those who have been along for the ride for most of the campaign?

It would be funnier if it weren't true! The current administration and big biz buddies are destroying the environment.