For Kerry Supporters Only

[LoraJ]

I have noticed a major difference in most of the Kerry supporters posts in the Bush thread vs. the Bush supporters in this thread.

i have seen Kerry supporters give links to a source to inform posters when they feel they don't have the whole story.

Here we seem to get taunts from Bush supporters.

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by TeresaNJ
peachgirl, I don't think being mannerly constitutes being on a "high horse". I just can't fathom how someone could take pride in comments such as the one I mentioned. It is ALOT scary to me, and reminds me of a mob mentality. My husband is a die-hard Democrat, and we disagree on many issues, but I would never talk to him the way people here on this board are speaking to each other, and I hope he wouldn't speak to me that way either. It's just a sad state of affairs to see our country divided the way it is. I realize that many people don't agree with President Bush's actions over the last four years, and they get to voice that disagreement by not voting for him, but the bottom line is that he is OUR President, and I feel that he deserves some respect for that alone, IMHO. Anyway, that is not the point I want to make. We are all Americans, and we should respect each other's opinions. There is no need for the hateful comments coming from either side. Whatever happened to tolerance? My best friend is a Democrat, she will always be my best friend. I respect her opinions and she respects mine. If John Kerry is elected, whether I agree with his policies or not, I'll still show him the respect he will deserve as our President. I think it is in our country's best interest that we show a "United" front, not a divided one.

Well said. However, it will fall on deaf ears from those promoting the politics of personal destruction, divisiveness and anti-morality campaign. The promotion of division by John Kerry and democrat support of hatred does not deserve to win this election. A loosing democrat party will hopefully rethink their divisive and destructive approach and come up with a new direction as President Clinton was once able to do for the party. It is badly in need of a true meaningful direction to better this country instead of just "we hate Bush."

 

[peachgirl]

It makes me very sad that we can't all respectfully disagree. I guess people are so passionate for both sides that it is getting out of control. I know in our household it can very easily get out of control, so my husband and I have to walk a very fine line. The reason I like to read your thread too is because I am interested in everyone's opinion.

Perhaps if you had started off with a post like this, things wouldn't have gotten so heated.

The cesspool comment was made pages ago and was between 2 posters that were both giving as good as they were getting. I believe I'm the one who used the word "infiltrators" first and yes, it was a joke.

There's a lot of joking going on in this thread and perhaps our style of humor doesn't appeal to everyone. That's why this thread exists, so that those of us who "get" it don't have to put up with being called every vile name you can think of....at least not on this thread.

 

[LoraJ]

Oh yeah, we have become so UNITED under Bush "I am a Uniter not a Divider"(sarcasm). I heard him use the word "liberal" as though it were a dirty word duringthe debates. Yeah, that sure makes me want to get behind him.

 

[peachgirl]

And comments like those of Desperado are just the sort of thing that bring out the cesspool comments.


It is funny though that the bushies are simply incapable of staying off this thread!!!! It would appear as though they're just not happy if they don't have someone to insult.


What's the matter, the pro bush thread not fun enough any more?


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[TeresaNJ]

So what happens after the election? Do we all go back to being fellow Disney lovers, or will we harbor bad feelings toward each other. If pro-Kerry and pro-Bush supporters are at WDW at the same time, do we not go to any DISmeets that people from the "other" side might be at? Do we look at each other's DIS nametag and immediately dislike that person because of our political views? Have we thrown away future friendships because of comments we have made to each other on these political threads. Can we forgive and forget, and carry on for the good of everyone? Am I going to be yelled at for continuing to post on this thread when I really should finish paying the bills, LOL??

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Island_Lauri
"What John Kerry Will Do as President

John Kerry has been around the block enough to understand what needs to be done. He fights for what's right, and he persists no matter how tough the challenge. He's also a firm believer in pursuing what works. So it's no surprise that his plan for a Kerry-Edwards administration is full of common sense and practical steps that address our most critical issues.

Unfortunately, after 20 years in the Senate he does not have a list of accomplishments he can point to. It is fantasy to think he will make accomplishments in another office.

-- America's international relations are damaged beyond what the Bush administration could ever repair. John Kerry understands how serious this is, and on the day he takes office, he'll be on the phone beginning to rebuild our key global relationships -- in order to fully involve all our allies in the fight against the terrorists.

John Kerry does not have credibility with our allies because of his constantly changing positions. Colin Powell worked dilliigently to build relationships. The UN is powerless and lacks backbone to stand behind it's own 17 resolutions requiring action from Saddam. The appeasement approach, "if we were only nicer to them, maybe they won't hurt us" approach does not secure my familes future.

-- A Kerry administration will use the range of all weapons to defeat the terrorists. He will exert the might of our military, and he will also use the full power of diplomacy, our intelligence system, our financial and economic leverage, and the strong appeal of our values and ideas.

John Kerry has voted against these things hundreds of times in the Senate, what evidence is there he would do differently in the White House? None.

-- During the past two years under George Bush, the U.S. has increased its oil imports by a staggering 10%. John Kerry will free America from its dependence on Mideast oil by launching a national initiative to fully develop innovative technologies and alternative energy sources. America invented the automobile, the airplane, the telephone, and the computer. We have explored the moon and beyond. Our next round of innovation won't be a trip to Mars -- rather, we will harness America's ingenuity to develop and use energy more wisely here on Earth.

Kerry stiffles american invention with high support for trial lawyers and excessive support for litigation to tie up our court system. His personal company associations with Hienz have exported jobs.

-- After four years of job-killing policies and a budget-busting federal deficit ($422 billion) under George Bush, John Kerry will stop tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. The savings will go to reduce the corporate tax rate by 5%, cutting taxes for 99% of American businesses. In addition, the Kerry-Edwards plan will preserve tax cuts for 98% of all Americans -- while ending Bush's Paris Hilton subsidy, which hands over 33% of the tax payoff to the top 1%.

President Clinton handed this country a resession. Osama (missed by president Clinton) handed us a billion+ economic loss by destroying the World Trade centers. Kerry has made huge promises he cannot deliver without very large tax increases. Old tax and spend liberal approaches will not support our future.

-- A Kerry administration will do the right thing for our neediest children. The plan is to pick up the full cost of the more than 20 million children enrolled in Medicaid. In exchange, states will expand eligibility for children's health coverage and low-income adults and enroll every child automatically.

Why didn't he fight for this in the Senate during the last 20 years. What has he accomplished?

-- Healthcare poses some big challenges, but the Kerry-Edwards team will work to give every American access to the same kind of plans that are available to members of Congress. Their plan is to lower family premiums by up to $1,000 a year, cut waste from the system, lower the cost of prescription drugs to provide real relief to seniors, and use targeted tax cuts to extend affordable, high-quality coverage to 95% of Americans, including every child.

A huge government takeover of healthcare will not solve our problems.

-- To engage young people in strengthening America, John Kerry will launch a "Service for College" initiative. Young adults who serve for two years in one of America's most important jobs (teachers, law-enforcement personnel, daycare professionals, tutors, etc.) will receive four years of tuition at a public university. Over a decade, the initiative will make college affordable for 200,000 people while strengthening our national values of service and unity.

Why hasn't Kerry launched this effort in his 20 year Senate Carreer? Why not simply provide additional funding for people to attend college through tax breaks.

-- Kerry will shine the light of day into the inner workings of government -- so those secret meetings, like the Cheney meetings to decide energy policy, will finally be over. He will reinstate the five-year ban on lobbying so that government officials -- like Bush's former campaign manager and FEMA director -- cannot cash in the moment they leave government service. He will require that every meeting with a lobbyist be made public.

Kerry has never taken this approach in the 20 years he's been in the Senate, what evidence is there he will change?

-- John Kerry will NOT let the extreme far-right think tanks make any more decisions and control the future of our Social Security, Medicare, Homeland Security, and international relations. And he will NOT take huge gambles that drain our budget, damage our economy, and jeopardize our security."

He'll use far left policies and practices that have been demonstrated as failure.

-- This article is available on the Web and in PDF format at AnotherRepublicanForKerry.com/kerryplan

Why bother, its fabrication and fantasy. The facts do not support this wishful thinking.

I don't think that celebrating the descriptions above are realistic or accurate given how much Kerry is hiding from his 20 year Senate record. It will be a time of mourning and sadness, worry and concern about our country's future. It will certainly be a time for prayer. Fortunately, polls are indicating this unpeasant event will not occur and Kerry will be able to relax and enjoy hunting and skiing the next 4 years with his lovely wife.

 

[Lebjwb]

Originally posted by TeresaNJ
I just wanted to add one more thing. I too spoke before I thought. The more I thought about it, the more I realized that LisaZoe most likely did not realize the cesspool comment was mentioned. So, I apologize for assuming that she did. You know what "assume" means, LOL.

Let's get something real straight here real quick. The "cesspool comment" was directed at Elwood who has a history with me...none too pleasant I might add from previous threads. If you don't like the comment, too bad. If you're that thin skinned you shouldn't have stuck your nose onto a "Kerry Supporters Only" Thread.

Lisazoe has nothing to do with any of that. You want to have a chat?...PM me anytime...I'd be happy to oblige. And yes she does have a beautiful daughter...so do I.

You think that Bush deserves respect? Are you kidding? He has murdered thousands of people, stolen an election, dragged the Constitution through the mud, lied... constantly. Destroyed the economy, Raped the environment, lined the pockets of his pals and claims he has a direct line to God. Please..respect... RESPECT?

You get indignant over a comment about a cesspool but respect Bush? How TWISTED is that?

 

[LoraJ]

Someone has been watching too many Bush campaign commercials.

 

[Lebjwb]

Originally posted by Desperado
Unfortunately, after 20 years in the Senate he does not have a list of accomplishments he can point to. It is fantasy to think he will make accomplishments in another office.

John Kerry does not have credibility with our allies because of his constantly changing positions. Colin Powell worked dilliigently to build relationships. The UN is powerless and lacks backbone to stand behind it's own 17 resolutions requiring action from Saddam. The appeasement approach, "if we were only nicer to them, maybe they won't hurt us" approach does not secure my familes future.

John Kerry has voted against these things hundreds of times in the Senate, what evidence is there he would do differently in the White House? None.

Kerry stiffles american invention with high support for trial lawyers and excessive support for litigation to tie up our court system. His personal company associations with Hienz have exported jobs.

President Clinton handed this country a resession. Osama (missed by president Clinton) handed us a billion+ economic loss by destroying the World Trade centers. Kerry has made huge promises he cannot deliver without very large tax increases. Old tax and spend liberal approaches will not support our future.

Why didn't he fight for this in the Senate during the last 20 years. What has he accomplished?

A huge government takeover of healthcare will not solve our problems.

Why hasn't Kerry launched this effort in his 20 year Senate Carreer? Why not simply provide additional funding for people to attend college through tax breaks.

Kerry has never taken this approach in the 20 years he's been in the Senate, what evidence is there he will change?

He'll use far left policies and practices that have been demonstrated as failure.

Why bother, its fabrication and fantasy. The facts do not support this wishful thinking. [/QUOTE]

Knock, Knock

Who's there?

Kerry Supporters Only Thread.

Go debate someplace else.... Thank you...Buh Bye

 

[peachgirl]

Let's get something real straight here real quick. The "cesspool comment" was directed at Elwood who has a history with me...none too pleasant I might add from previous threads. If you don't like the comment, too bad. If you're that thin skinned you shouldn't have stuck your nose onto a "Kerry Supporters Only" Thread.

I have to say, I know exactly what you're talking about. It drives me up the wall when I get into it with someone that I have a history with and someone jumps in just about the time I've had all I'm going to take and I've let them have it with both barrels telling me how rude I'm being.

Frankly, your cesspool comment was mild compared to some of the insults being tossed our way on the Bush thread.


Desperado.....
Have you read the title to this thread???? As you said, it's falling on deaf ears, why bother???

Is there a full moon tonight????

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by Lebjwb
Let's get something real straight here real quick. The "cesspool comment" was directed at Elwood who has a history with me...none too pleasant I might add from previous threads. If you don't like the comment, too bad. If you're that thin skinned you shouldn't have stuck your nose onto a "Kerry Supporters Only" Thread.

Lisazoe has nothing to do with any of that. You want to have a chat?...PM me anytime...I'd be happy to oblige. And yes she does have a beautiful daughter...so do I.

You think that Bush deserves respect? Are you kidding? He has murdered thousands of people, stolen an election, dragged the Constitution through the mud, lied... constantly. Destroyed the economy, Raped the environment, lined the pockets of his pals and claims he has a direct line to God. Please..respect... RESPECT?

You get indignant over a comment about a cesspool but respect Bush? How TWISTED is that?

Gee, and you wonder why we have a "history"?

 

[Lebjwb]

Originally posted by peachgirl
I have to say, I know exactly what you're talking about. It drives me up the wall when I get into it with someone that I have a history with and someone jumps in just about the time I've had all I'm going to take and I've let them have it with both barrels telling me how rude I'm being.

Frankly, your cesspool comment was mild compared to some of the insults being tossed our way on the Bush thread.


Desperado.....
Have you read the title to this thread???? As you said, it's falling on deaf ears, why bother???

Is there a full moon tonight????

It is nice to hear from you again peachgirl, it's been a while and I have missed your comments.

You are correct my comments are quite mild compared to what I would really like to say, absolutely sugar coated to be truthful.

Anyone fool enough to lob anti-Kerry comments on this thread deserves what they get. No sympathy for the devil.

This election is too important. Bush must be defeated.

 

[TeresaNJ]

Geez Leb, I didn't mean to get you all riled up, now you're starting to sound like my husband. I have a daughter too, so you, LisaZoe, and I at least have one thing in common. While I appreciate the fact that you'd be willing to chat with me, I'm having a hard enough time with the "chats" with my husband, who as I said, is pro-Kerry. Hey, if he can still love me, why can't you at least like me?? Just kidding. I guess I am thin-skinned, I always do get my feelings hurt too easily, and you're right, I shouldn't have butted my nose into a thread that wasn't directed towards me. Again, it makes me sad that we are all resorting to name-calling. I don't think I'm twisted. In fact, I think I'm a great mom, wife, and friend. I'll bet you would even think I was a pretty nice person if you didn't know I was voting for Bush. Again, sorry for posting on your thread. Maybe we can all get along after this election is over.

 

[Lebjwb]

Originally posted by TeresaNJ
Geez Leb, I didn't mean to get you all riled up, now you're starting to sound like my husband. I have a daughter too, so you, LisaZoe, and I at least have one thing in common. While I appreciate the fact that you'd be willing to chat with me, I'm having a hard enough time with the "chats" with my husband, who as I said, is pro-Kerry. Hey, if he can still love me, why can't you at least like me?? Just kidding. I guess I am thin-skinned, I always do get my feelings hurt too easily, and you're right, I shouldn't have butted my nose into a thread that wasn't directed towards me. Again, it makes me sad that we are all resorting to name-calling. I don't think I'm twisted. In fact, I think I'm a great mom, wife, and friend. I'll bet you would even think I was a pretty nice person if you didn't know I was voting for Bush. Again, sorry for posting on your thread. Maybe we can all get along after this election is over.

That isn't riled up at all, Barely got it in first gear. See ya after the election.

 

[LisaZoe]

Originally posted by TeresaNJ
LisaZoe, I am appalled that you would take pride in someone being told to slither back to the cesspool they came from, and to call Bush supporters who've visited this thread "infiltrators"?? Is this the example you would want to set for your daughter, who, by the way, is adorable.

I'm sorry you misinterpreted my comment. I was actually referring to some rather funny "repartee" from the usual posters to this thread when others came in to try to "rile" them up. I was not speaking of any one post and, to be honest, probably hadn't paid a lot of attention to the specific comment to which you referred. It was pretty obvious there was some common animosity between those two posters since the one from the "Bush camp" even posted to the Bush Supporter thread about it.

If you'd take the time to read some of my posts, I think you'll find I try to take a humorous approach to confrontation. Early in this thread you'll see that many of us quickly turned to using humor to express our incredulity at some of the accusations made by a few of the Bush supporters. This lead to comments about pizza, pot, cocaine, illegal voters, etc. After one of the Bush supporters posted to this thread a few times, I joked about "them" listening. This was, again, a way to show just how absurd it is to think that we could have a private discussion on a public forum. As peachgirl pointed out, the term "infiltrators" was also used in a humorous way ealier in the thread and I used it in the same way.

What I also find very amusing is the superiority expressed by some on the Bush thread about this one and our childish behavior, bad manners, etc. It's as if they are taking the "moral high road" and we are nothing but lackwits and degenerates. I think neither side has claim to sole custody of either. I believe the Bush side generally consists of reasonable and caring people with a small number who are not. It seems, though, that many who post to the Bush thread are not willing to think the same of us in return. If I am to be judged by the company I keep... than I'm quite willing to be judged with those on this thread... because we are much more funny.

As for your concerns about my DD and my influence on her, you should take the time to read one of my earlier posts on this thread and some on "parental" threads before you question my parenting. On this one, I stated unequivocally that I do not discuss politics around my DD nor will I try to influence her choice as she grows older. I am "appalled" by the number of posters on the Bush thread who have no hesitation to indoctrinate their children. What's going to happen when Kerry wins? Will they face teasing at school because they don't support the current President? I've seen how cruel children can be to others who are "different" in some way. As such, I am very concerned about how these children will be treated by their peers after the election if they are now "parroting" their parents' comments in support of Bush and against Kerry (again, I'm aware that Bush supporters are not the only ones who may be doing this but since I believe Kerry will win, I'm not as concerned right now about those children being ostracized).

Now, we definitely agree my DD is adorable so you obviously can't be all wrong.

 

[LisaZoe]

Thanks to all who "circled the wagons" in my defense. See why I like this thread so much? That and the great wits, of course.

 

[denisenh]

Popping in once again before getting ready (at 5 am) to head off to the Kerry rally.
I am bringing my digital camera and will take pics. (I brought it with me to see John Edwards last week but the batteries were dead. Rats!) I did take film photos though.
I noticed some nasty posts (I think) but didn't have time to read through.
Kerry/ Edwards are a win. I am sure of it.

I forget who posted this link but I love it!!

In our future....

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[Laura]

Have fun at the Kerry rally, Denise!

 

[Laura]

Originally posted by LoraJ
Someone has been watching too many Bush campaign commercials.

I know--a lot of Bush voters who post here just repeat the talking points they hear on TV. It's actually pretty funny.