Flags at half mast today at the World

[nytimez]

But once you read his biography, you find out he was one odd duck. Maybe at technical genius, but really, really odd.

So? Most great minds were odd ducks. Apple even ran a whole ad campaign celebrating it: Think Different.

BTW, here's an unaired version of the first Think Different commercial where the voiceover is done by Jobs (instead of Richard Dreyfuss, who voiced the commercial that eventually did air).

 

[SueM in MN]

So? Most great minds were odd ducks. Apple even ran a whole ad campaign celebrating it: Think Different.

BTW, here's an unaired version of the first Think Different commercial where the voiceover is done by Jobs (instead of Richard Dreyfuss, who voiced the commercial that eventually did air.

I like this version better than the one with Richard Dryfus's voice that aired.

And, I am glad that Disney chose to honor Steve Jobs by lowering the flag.

 

[kirrrby]

Does anyone know if it was lowered at SOG? Since SOG isn't Disney owned..but still on Disney property.

I don't care what they do around Disney property. I honor the flag with the utmost respect. I hate that most people don't know how to treat the American Flag anymore.

 

[beansmom]

But once you read his biography, you find out he was one odd duck. Maybe at technical genius, but really, really odd.

i'm curious...which biography would that be? the one that isn't published yet? or another?

 

[Deb & Bill]

Most geniuses tend to be odd, as judged by the non-geniuses.

So? Most great minds were odd ducks. Apple even ran a whole ad campaign celebrating it: Think Different.

BTW, here's an unaired version of the first Think Different commercial where the voiceover is done by Jobs (instead of Richard Dreyfuss, who voiced the commercial that eventually did air).

i'm curious...which biography would that be? the one that isn't published yet? or another?

No, I mean really odd. A big fan of LSD. Dropped acid a few times. Denied his first born child for many years because he said he was sterile. But then he had a few with the woman he married, so that didn't fly anymore. Yelled at the people who worked with and for him. Kind of angry/mean. This was on line and newspaper articles about him, not a book. Just a little more than nerdy odd.

 

[nytimez]

No, I mean really odd. A big fan of LSD. Dropped acid a few times. Denied his first born child for many years because he said he was sterile. But then he had a few with the woman he married, so that didn't fly anymore. Yelled at the people who worked with and for him. Kind of angry/mean. This was on line and newspaper articles about him, not a book. Just a little more than nerdy odd.

Nobody's a saint. I don't think this makes him "really odd." Just a human -- brilliant, and flawed.

Most of us just get the flawed part.

 

[picktails]

 

[Wall-E1]

It might as well be me.

The CEO of Walt Disney Inc doesn't have the authority to order that US flags be flown at half staff. He can do what he wants with Disney flags, but the US flag stays at full height unless the President orders it to half staff (and a few other exceptions).

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

I admired Steve Jobs as much as the next geek, but lowering the US national flag is not an appropriate tribute, no matter how many gadgets he invented, shares of Disney stock he owned, or Apple stock millionaires he created.

And this is not just my opinion -- it's US law.

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm

I'll stand by my strict constructionist reading of the Flag Code, thanks, but I'll accept that the US Code, Title 4, is more of a guideline than a punitive statute -- just like the Pirate's Code, I guess.

Completely wrong! I wish people would do a bit of research before typing this kind of nonsense. A strict constructutionist probably would have gone to an actual U.S. government website to get accurate info, that way they wouldn't appear confused about the different laws and codes of our country. Here is a U.S. government link regarding this subject...

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf

If you skip to page CRS-11, you'll find this...

Again, the provisions of the Flag Code on flying the flag at half-staff are, like all the Code’s provisions, a guide only. They do not apply, as a matter of law, to the display of the flag at half-staff by private individuals and organizations. No federal restrictions or court decisions are known that limit such an individual’s lowering his own flag or that make such display alone a form of desecration.

So, it is not like a pirate code. It is a clearly defined guideline, that is easily understood. The guideline even goes so far to state that it is not a form of desecration for an individual or organization to display the flag at half-staff. A strict constructionist would understand this.

Disney was right in honoring Steve Jobs this way. His contributions to Disney go far beyond his shareholder stake in the company.

 

[MouseEarsForAll]

Rip!

 

[jekjones1558]

Nobody's a saint. I don't think this makes him "really odd." Just a human -- brilliant, and flawed.

Most of us just get the flawed part.

+1
There used to be an old fashioned custom of remembering and celebrating the good qualities of the deceased and letting imperfections remain in the background. Too bad that doesn't seem to be the norm anymore.
RIP, Steve Jobs. I love and use your gadgets but it is the joy of your Pixar movies that makes me most grateful to you. I'm glad to know that your loss is being acknowledged at WDW.

 

[suemom2kay]

Completely wrong! I wish people would do a bit of research before typing this kind of nonsense. A strict constructutionist probably would have gone to an actual U.S. government website to get accurate info, that way they wouldn't appear confused about the different laws and codes of our country. Here is a U.S. government link regarding this subject...

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf

If you skip to page CRS-11, you'll find this...

Again, the provisions of the Flag Code on flying the flag at half-staff are, like all the Code’s provisions, a guide only. They do not apply, as a matter of law, to the display of the flag at half-staff by private individuals and organizations. No federal restrictions or court decisions are known that limit such an individual’s lowering his own flag or that make such display alone a form of desecration.

So, it is not like a pirate code. It is a clearly defined guideline, that is easily understood. The guideline even goes so far to state that it is not a form of desecration for an individual or organization to display the flag at half-staff. A strict constructionist would understand this.

Disney was right in honoring Steve Jobs this way. His contributions to Disney go far beyond his shareholder stake in the company.

 

[Schmeck]

+1
There used to be an old fashioned custom of remembering and celebrating the good qualities of the deceased and letting imperfections remain in the background. Too bad that doesn't seem to be the norm anymore.

Well, then how would Hitler be remembered? That he was nice to blue-eyed, blond German children?

And no, before anyone gets upset, I am not stating that Jobs was in any way comparable to Hitler - just making a point about the above quote.

As with any human being, Jobs had strengths and weaknesses. He changed how modern society interacts with each other, (maybe not even in a good way) and I wonder what he would have been able to achieve if he was less focused on the entertainment industry. What if he tried to tackle global warming, human overpopulation, a cure for cancer? It's just my opinion, but I wish he had been a genius medical professional instead of being involved in Pixar and Apple.

 

[Bullseye]

Well, then how would Hitler be remembered? That he was nice to blue-eyed, blond German children?

And no, before anyone gets upset, I am not stating that Jobs was in any way comparable to Hitler - just making a point about the above quote.

As with any human being, Jobs had strengths and weaknesses. He changed how modern society interacts with each other, (maybe not even in a good way) and I wonder what he would have been able to achieve if he was less focused on the entertainment industry. What if he tried to tackle global warming, human overpopulation, a cure for cancer? It's just my opinion, but I wish he had been a genius medical professional instead of being involved in Pixar and Apple.

Hmm seems to me that Steve Jobs contributions in his own field have probably provided an enormous amount of utility and service to the medical proffession. I don't really know but I would fathom to say that through his company they must have come up with many computer technologies for the medical industry! Good job in remembering him Disney!!!

 

[sazzlynn]

Also, unless WDW suddenly became a ship, it is half STAFF not half MAST.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

Well, then how would Hitler be remembered? That he was nice to blue-eyed, blond German children?

And no, before anyone gets upset, I am not stating that Jobs was in any way comparable to Hitler - just making a point about the above quote.

As with any human being, Jobs had strengths and weaknesses. He changed how modern society interacts with each other, (maybe not even in a good way) and I wonder what he would have been able to achieve if he was less focused on the entertainment industry. What if he tried to tackle global warming, human overpopulation, a cure for cancer? It's just my opinion, but I wish he had been a genius medical professional instead of being involved in Pixar and Apple.

Good morning to you too! This post was written in poor taste. What a terrible inflammatory post -- how can you even mention something like that?!? I fully respect Disney for paying tribute to Jobs. Jobs was an iconic modern day genius ...and I will remember him as such.

I wonder what he would have been able to achieve if he was less focused on the entertainment industry.

Why?!? Is it so hard to just acknowledge and respect Jobs for who he was? Strange comment...

What if he tried to tackle global warming, human overpopulation, a cure for cancer? It's just my opinion, but I wish he had been a genius medical professional instead of being involved in Pixar and Apple.

Wow ...this is just bad. ***sigh*** I just don't understand your logic behind this statement -- it comes across as very arrogant. Jobs wasn't just "involved" with Apple - he created Apple - he was Apple. We each have our own destiny to fulfill in life....

 

[damo]

Well, then how would Hitler be remembered? That he was nice to blue-eyed, blond German children?

And no, before anyone gets upset, I am not stating that Jobs was in any way comparable to Hitler - just making a point about the above quote.

As with any human being, Jobs had strengths and weaknesses. He changed how modern society interacts with each other, (maybe not even in a good way) and I wonder what he would have been able to achieve if he was less focused on the entertainment industry. What if he tried to tackle global warming, human overpopulation, a cure for cancer? It's just my opinion, but I wish he had been a genius medical professional instead of being involved in Pixar and Apple.

A few articles for you on how Apple products have impacted the medical profession:

http://www.ihealthbeat.org/articles...y-iphone-for-highquality-medical-imaging.aspx

http://www.hcplive.com/publications/mdng-primarycare/2011/January_2011/cover_story

http://singularityhub.com/2011/03/0...at-could-transform-your-doctors-office-video/

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2010/08/apples-ipad-medical-rounds-hands-physician-review.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/10-ways-the-ipad-is-changing-healthcare-2010-7

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/news/2008/03/iphone_doctors

There are many, many of these articles.

 

[Bullseye]

A few articles for you on how Apple products have impacted the medical profession:

http://www.ihealthbeat.org/articles...y-iphone-for-highquality-medical-imaging.aspx

http://www.hcplive.com/publications/mdng-primarycare/2011/January_2011/cover_story

http://singularityhub.com/2011/03/0...at-could-transform-your-doctors-office-video/

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2010/08/apples-ipad-medical-rounds-hands-physician-review.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/10-ways-the-ipad-is-changing-healthcare-2010-7

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/news/2008/03/iphone_doctors

There are many, many of these articles.

Right on brah , thats what I'm talking about!! No doubt Jobs did more for the medical profession in his own field than he ever could of done if he was actually in the medical profession!!

 

[Wall-E1]

+1
There used to be an old fashioned custom of remembering and celebrating the good qualities of the deceased and letting imperfections remain in the background. Too bad that doesn't seem to be the norm anymore.

Well, then how would Hitler be remembered? That he was nice to blue-eyed, blond German children?

And no, before anyone gets upset, I am not stating that Jobs was in any way comparable to Hitler - just making a point about the above quote.

Just curious... were you really unable to comprehend the gist of the comment from that poster, or do you actually need other posters to simplify that statement for you? Was the Hitler comment simply an attention grabbing post? Strangely, I see Hitler's name thrown out on a variety of topics on the disboards. It's very strange how his name always seems to be popping up. However, when it does, it always seems to be from posters craving attention, whether it be negative or positive.

I think you already know this, but jekjones was obviously referring to deceased figures that we admire. Whether it be an astronaut that had an extramarital affair, a celebrity with a drug problem, etc., we prefer to remember the good about them. Same thing if a family member dies. We all love our family members. Any annoying eccentricities/personality traits that may have annoyed us when they were alive seem not to matter anymore after they are gone. We remember all the good about them. It seems to me that would be normal human nature. It also seems to me that someone who would make a comparison about remembering the good about the deceased and comparing that to the memory of Hitler is... well... I probably can't finish that statement on the disboards.

 

[Schmeck]

Thank you for the links. I definitely made a mess in posting what I was trying to get across - we are all human and have our good and bad. Remembering just the good does a disservice to all. We learn more from the bad than we do from the good sometimes. That was why I referenced Hitler.

My point about Jobs' focus was that:

1) If he had a hyperfocus on some major challenges to the human race and/or the planet, he'd probably have been able to come up with some unique solutions.

2) I'm not 100% sure that the addition of the ipod, iphone, and other electronic media to our society is a good thing. We're too attached to our little electronic devices, IMO.

3) I'm not one to be impressed by industry/companies/economy/modern civilization. Clean up the planet, stop world hunger and human overpopulation, find a cure for cancer, and I'll put my flag at half staff. I know some of Apple's products can be used to solve some of these issues, and for that I am grateful.

 

[mking624]

Thank you for the links. I definitely made a mess in posting what I was trying to get across - we are all human and have our good and bad. Remembering just the good does a disservice to all. We learn more from the bad than we do from the good sometimes. That was why I referenced Hitler.

My point about Jobs' focus was that:

1) If he had a hyperfocus on some major challenges to the human race and/or the planet, he'd probably have been able to come up with some unique solutions.

2) I'm not 100% sure that the addition of the ipod, iphone, and other electronic media to our society is a good thing. We're too attached to our little electronic devices, IMO.

3) I'm not one to be impressed by industry/companies/economy/modern civilization. Clean up the planet, stop world hunger and human overpopulation, find a cure for cancer, and I'll put my flag at half staff. I know some of Apple's products can be used to solve some of these issues, and for that I am grateful.

People tend to excel at what they're passionate about. It doesn't really matter what you feel he should have done. His innovative genius likely would not have even emerged had he abandoned his own dreams to pursue a field someone else wanted him to be in.

Keep in mind, too, that your opinions on any modern technology are just that: opinions. It doesn't change the fact that he made some major changes in the world of technology. And as far as your idea of what he should have done, I am positive that you are also taking those same steps...right? Because it's always better to make sure you're doing them before saying someone else should have.

And any other electronic device? Like the computer or laptop or whatever it is you used to post the comment here on this thread?

No one is requiring you to fly your flag at half staff. But the company he had a major role in decided to do that to honor him. You know, the same company you choose to support through your multiple vacations there and post about through your electronic device.