Flags at half mast today at the World

[Bullseye]

And any other electronic device? Like the computer or laptop or whatever it is you used to post the comment here on this thread? No one is requiring you to fly your flag at half staff. But the company he had a major role in decided to do that to honor him. You know, the same company you choose to support through your multiple vacations there and post about through your electronic device.

mking you are correct, but lets not give all the credit to Jobs, equal credit must be given to Al Gore for inventing the internet!!

 

[damo]

Thank you for the links. I definitely made a mess in posting what I was trying to get across - we are all human and have our good and bad. Remembering just the good does a disservice to all. We learn more from the bad than we do from the good sometimes. That was why I referenced Hitler.

My point about Jobs' focus was that:

1) If he had a hyperfocus on some major challenges to the human race and/or the planet, he'd probably have been able to come up with some unique solutions.

2) I'm not 100% sure that the addition of the ipod, iphone, and other electronic media to our society is a good thing. We're too attached to our little electronic devices, IMO.

3) I'm not one to be impressed by industry/companies/economy/modern civilization. Clean up the planet, stop world hunger and human overpopulation, find a cure for cancer, and I'll put my flag at half staff. I know some of Apple's products can be used to solve some of these issues, and for that I am grateful.

You have to remember that Apple products are a result of huge advances in technology. Those huge advances in technology make possible huge advances in medicine, cleaning up the planet, curbing world hunger and overpopulation. Apple didn't simply put out the electronic products but they are also responsible for developing a lot of the technology behind them.

 

[mking624]

mking you are correct, but lets not give all the credit to Jobs, equal credit must be given to Al Gore for inventing the internet!!

Oh goodness, you're absolutely right. My bad.

 

[granmanh603]

+1
There used to be an old fashioned custom of remembering and celebrating the good qualities of the deceased and letting imperfections remain in the background. Too bad that doesn't seem to be the norm anymore.
RIP, Steve Jobs. I love and use your gadgets but it is the joy of your Pixar movies that makes me most grateful to you. I'm glad to know that your loss is being acknowledged at WDW.

Wow I so totally agree... well said...

 

[Planogirl]

Why is this even a controversy?

Disney chose to honor someone who was important to Disney. I don't see how that's wrong or why anyone would take exception to that.

 

[ppony]

I'm PRETTY sure it probably had something to do with Jobs involvement with the up and rising of Pixar. He is most likely being celebrated for his innovated thinking, not his money.
Which he deserves FULL recognition for. That man was a genius.

Couldn't agree more!

And PS: The iPad is doing AMAZING things for my autistic son! Whoda thunk it!

 

[nytimez]

Well, then how would Hitler be remembered? That he was nice to blue-eyed, blond German children?

And no, before anyone gets upset, I am not stating that Jobs was in any way comparable to Hitler - just making a point about the above quote.

As with any human being, Jobs had strengths and weaknesses. He changed how modern society interacts with each other, (maybe not even in a good way) and I wonder what he would have been able to achieve if he was less focused on the entertainment industry. What if he tried to tackle global warming, human overpopulation, a cure for cancer? It's just my opinion, but I wish he had been a genius medical professional instead of being involved in Pixar and Apple.

This post needs to be preserved for future generations.

It might be one of the most screwed-up posts in the entire history of the Dis (and that's saying quite a bit). You managed to bring Hitler into a thread about the memory of well-regarded human being who just passed, and then complain that the departed individual didn't cure global warming, human overpopulation and cancer.

Nice job.

 

[MarkF0wle]

Not sure if this has been posted already, as we were busy arriving, unpacking, then attending MNSSHP. But noticed when we pulled into CR that the 4 American flags our front were at half mast, as well as the one at the MK train station. The gate guard confirmed that were flying in honor of Steve Jobs.

It might as well be me.

The CEO of Walt Disney Inc doesn't have the authority to order that US flags be flown at half staff. He can do what he wants with Disney flags, but the US flag stays at full height unless the President orders it to half staff (and a few other exceptions).

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

I admired Steve Jobs as much as the next geek, but lowering the US national flag is not an appropriate tribute, no matter how many gadgets he invented, shares of Disney stock he owned, or Apple stock millionaires he created.

And this is not just my opinion -- it's US law. http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm

OK, not sure if this point has been raised. But it might help with this debate, possibly?

I have read many times that due to laws/flag etiquette regarding the American flag that only the flag flying from the pole in the centre of the hub in Main Street is a real American flag. That the others are designed to look like American flags but have a star/stripe missing meaning they are not real American flags.

The OP refers to the 4 outside (not sure where they are?) & the flag above the train station. These are not real US flags & as such could be classed "Disney flags", so therefore could be flown at half staff without breaking any law/policy. There is no mention in the OP of the flag in the hub on Main Street.

To quote: "In Town Square, there are a few flag poles with Amercan Flags on them. The main flag pole is always taken down during rain storms and right before sundown, but the rest of the flags are not taken down and that is because they are not real American flags. They look like American flags, but they are all missing a star or a stripe that makes them not actual American flags." - http://www.wdwinfo.com/best-kept-secrets_mk.htm

 

[mking624]

OK, not sure if this point has been raised. But it might help with this debate, possibly?

I have read many times that due to laws/flag etiquette regarding the American flag that only the flag flying from the pole in the centre of the hub in Main Street is a real American flag. That the others are designed to look like American flags but have a star/stripe missing meaning they are not real American flags.

The OP refers to the 4 outside (not sure where they are?) & the flag above the train station. These are not real US flags & as such could be classed "Disney flags", so therefore could be flown at half staff without breaking any law/policy. There is no mention in the OP of the flag in the hub on Main Street.

To quote: "In Town Square, there are a few flag poles with Amercan Flags on them. The main flag pole is always taken down during rain storms and right before sundown, but the rest of the flags are not taken down and that is because they are not real American flags. They look like American flags, but they are all missing a star or a stripe that makes them not actual American flags." - http://www.wdwinfo.com/best-kept-secrets_mk.htm

Regardless of which flags are and are not flown at half staff, Wall-E1 already quoted the government's stand on the Flag Code:

Here is a U.S. government link regarding this subject...

http://www.senate.gov/reference/reso...df/RL30243.pdf

If you skip to page CRS-11, you'll find this...

Again, the provisions of the Flag Code on flying the flag at half-staff are, like all the Code’s provisions, a guide only. They do not apply, as a matter of law, to the display of the flag at half-staff by private individuals and organizations. No federal restrictions or court decisions are known that limit such an individual’s lowering his own flag or that make such display alone a form of desecration.

I do find it rather amusing that the one so adamant about how "against" the Flag Code it is has not returned to respond to Wall-E1's comment that quoted the government (who have no issue with it). So in my opinion, there's no more debate. The government is fine with it.

 

[MarkF0wle]

Regardless of which flags are and are not flown at half staff, Wall-E1 already quoted the government's stand on the Flag Code:

I do find it rather amusing that the one so adamant about how "against" the Flag Code it is has not returned to respond to Wall-E1's comment that quoted the government (who have no issue with it). So in my opinion, there's no more debate. The government is fine with it.

Agreed!
Wall-E1's post is pretty conclusive!

 

[Jennasis]

Wall-E1 the voice of reason as usual!

My feeling? If it's protected speech to burn a flag then it's okay for it to be flown at half mast on private property in honor of anyone the property owner chooses.

This may be the saddest most screwed up debate ever. How anyone can fault Disney for this is just...well...wrong.

 

[disneygal58]

+1
There used to be an old fashioned custom of remembering and celebrating the good qualities of the deceased and letting imperfections remain in the background. Too bad that doesn't seem to be the norm anymore.
RIP, Steve Jobs. I love and use your gadgets but it is the joy of your Pixar movies that makes me most grateful to you. I'm glad to know that your loss is being acknowledged at WDW.

Exactly.

 

[jmkjr72]

The following is on The Hub

"The Chief Security Officer of The Walt Disney Company has received a direction from Bob Iger to lower both US and Disney flags to half-staff October 6-12, 2011, in observance of the passing of Steven Paul Jobs.

In addition to co-founding Apple, Steve Jobs co-founded and was the CEO of Pixar Animation Studios. Steve's connection to Disney continued as Pixar merged with The Walt Disney Company in 2006. Steve also served on the board of directors for The Walt Disney Company. We are saddened by his passing and are grateful for the impact he has had on our lives and company.

In preparation, listed below is the flag protocol to be followed:

Flags should be brought to half-staff immediately, October 6 and returned to full staff at sunrise Thursday, Oct. 13."

well i hate to say that this is in violation of us flag code
there are very few people who can order flags to be flown at half staff
the president or the govoner of a the state you are in
congress can also vote to order flags flown at half staff

 

[mking624]

well i hate to say that this is in violation of us flag code
there are very few people who can order flags to be flown at half staff
the president or the govoner of a the state you are in
congress can also vote to order flags flown at half staff

*sigh*
Seriously? Did you bother to read the entire thread where all of that was addressed and a link to a U.S. government site said that there was nothing wrong with it because the Flag Code is merely a guide?
Yeah, you may want to do that.

 

[brunette8706]

Here's a great video on Steve Jobs at Stanford University. Has 10 million hits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc

 

[jayandstacey]

*sigh*
Seriously? Did you bother to read the entire thread where all of that was addressed and a link to a U.S. government site said that there was nothing wrong with it because the Flag Code is merely a guide?
Yeah, you may want to do that.

Is it safe to say that Larryz and Jmkjr72 would both advocate a change to US law to give the government more power to dictate what we can/can't do on our own property? To take existing laws and make them stronger, giving more power to the feds?

(I ask as the two opposites always seem to go hand in hand - stricter flag laws but...less laws and strictness. Doesn't make sense to me)

Cool how this thread became both political AND referenced Hitler, all in only 5 pages.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Well, then how would Hitler be remembered?

Goodwin says you lost.

 

[stargazertechie]

Firstly,

And honestly, as it has been pointed out, the US government has no jurisdiction over what is done with the US flag on private property.

 

[nytimez]

Goodwin says you lost.

FlightlessDuck FTW!

 

[brunette8706]

Thank you for the links. I definitely made a mess in posting what I was trying to get across - we are all human and have our good and bad. Remembering just the good does a disservice to all. We learn more from the bad than we do from the good sometimes. That was why I referenced Hitler.

My point about Jobs' focus was that:

1) If he had a hyperfocus on some major challenges to the human race and/or the planet, he'd probably have been able to come up with some unique solutions.

2) I'm not 100% sure that the addition of the ipod, iphone, and other electronic media to our society is a good thing. We're too attached to our little electronic devices, IMO.
3) I'm not one to be impressed by industry/companies/economy/modern civilization. Clean up the planet, stop world hunger and human overpopulation, find a cure for cancer, and I'll put my flag at half staff. I know some of Apple's products can be used to solve some of these issues, and for that I am grateful.

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I just don't understand why people have to talk ill of others when they have deceased. Steve Jobs was an innovator that thought out of the box. He has literally changed the world with the iphone, mac computer and other technologies that the world uses today. He's the Henry Ford of the 21st century.

RIP Steve...

Brunette