finger scan

[ZeroToHero]

Yep, gotta watch those librarians. A bunch of rabble rousers, they are!

We are, actually. You just never see what happens in the backroom. Or you're going to the wrong library!

And I actually know a Libertarian Librarian... worked with him last week!

 

[Robo]

I actually know a Libertarian Librarian... worked with him last week!

I assume that means he abhors the burdensome constraints of the Dewey Decimal System.

 

[WantToGoNow]

I bet you $10 I could get through those turnstiles on anyones ticket.

I have no doubt. Two trips ago, my oldest dd(was 21) and my ds(was 3) was sick one day. They stayed at the off-site villa and the rest of us went on to AK. We went back to the room mid-afternoon and dd said she was feeling better and wanted to go to DHS (was MGM then). She didn't want to use a day on her pass for a few hours and my dh had only been at the park a few hours on his. She took his pass and went right through the gates. Turns out she really wasn't feeling better and ended up really ill on the way back to the villa - she passed out in the car and scared me to death.

As for children using the scanners, they don't but my ds was 5.5 last trip and he thought it was the neatest thing to stick his pass in the slot and have the green light come on.

 

[Cool-Beans]

I don't like it at all. They don't need our fingerprints.

The fact that they started off by lying about it and saying that they weren't really taking a fingerprint, that it was a bone scan kinda raised red flags, too. Why lie?

And they don't always work, at which point you have to go through a bunch of other crap.

Plus, I really hate the way it turned entering the park into a pain in the neck instead of the fun it once was. It really was a ton of fun back in the day. Now it is just another hassle.

 

[Princess Disney Mom]

Doesn't bother me. If WDW can stop people from using other peoples tickets then good, the park won't be so crowded.

 

[doconeill]

I don't like it at all. They don't need our fingerprints.

The fact that they started off by lying about it and saying that they weren't really taking a fingerprint, that it was a bone scan kinda raised red flags, too. Why lie?

And they don't always work, at which point you have to go through a bunch of other crap.

Plus, I really hate the way it turned entering the park into a pain in the neck instead of the fun it once was. It really was a ton of fun back in the day. Now it is just another hassle.

They don't need your fingerprints, so they don't take them. I don't know about this "bone scan" claim exactly...sounds like a random CM "dismissal" quote.

But as already explained, it is not a full fingerprint scan - that would have so many issues that it would take forever to get through the turnstiles. Think of it as a very low res picture - you can kinda tell something is there, but you don't know if it is your uncle or an empty chair. But you CAN pick some distinctive points on that image, and translate that into some numbers, and compare the numbers fairly accurately to a previous image. However, there is still a chance it could think that empty chair is your uncle.

With the 1:1000 duplication rate, it certainly couldn't be used to identify you positively. However, there are many other ways that you probably don't think of that could be in use that does...

As far as the old way, I didn't think the "two-finger salute" was any better - in fact, it was slower.

 

[Praying Colonel]

I don't like it at all. They don't need our fingerprints.

The fact that they started off by lying about it and saying that they weren't really taking a fingerprint, that it was a bone scan kinda raised red flags, too. Why lie?

And they don't always work, at which point you have to go through a bunch of other crap.

Plus, I really hate the way it turned entering the park into a pain in the neck instead of the fun it once was. It really was a ton of fun back in the day. Now it is just another hassle.

The "hassle factor" is the one reason I don't like it. I always seem to be behind the person who doesn't know how to use it, or the machine is malfunctioning. It feels like the entire world is streaming past as we wait for the CM to override and let us through.

 

[larryz]

Yep, gotta watch those librarians. A bunch of rabble rousers, they are!

 

[Cool-Beans]

They don't need your fingerprints, so they don't take them. I don't know about this "bone scan" claim exactly...sounds like a random CM "dismissal" quote.

But as already explained, it is not a full fingerprint scan - that would have so many issues that it would take forever to get through the turnstiles. Think of it as a very low res picture - you can kinda tell something is there, but you don't know if it is your uncle or an empty chair. But you CAN pick some distinctive points on that image, and translate that into some numbers, and compare the numbers fairly accurately to a previous image. However, there is still a chance it could think that empty chair is your uncle.

With the 1:1000 duplication rate, it certainly couldn't be used to identify you positively. However, there are many other ways that you probably don't think of that could be in use that does...

As far as the old way, I didn't think the "two-finger salute" was any better - in fact, it was slower.

No, it IS a full fingerprint. They don't use the software that reads enough that it would be admissable in court, but that's just a matter of switching software.

I know how it works. As a nurse, every time I take pills out, I have to put my fingerprint in. Everytime I tell the computer that I gave someone pills, I have to put my fingerprint in. And we see the pic, too. Lets us know when it isn't working because we pressed too hard or not hard enough...or maybe we need to run the finger across our forehead to pick up some oil because our fingers are just too damn dry. Totally familiar.

They take the image. They may not read it, but they take it. And they don't need it.

Take a flippin picture, for Pete's sake.

And it wasn't a random CM who said it was a bone scan. If you search these boards back to when this started for AP holders...or when it started for everyone...you'll see everyone parroting the Disney line of it not being a fingerprint. That's what Disney kept telling everyone - that they weren't taking fingerprints - until they finally took a page out of the President Clinton playbook and said, "Okay, well, yeah, we're taking fingerprints, but we're not reading them."

I don't like it. I didn't like it from the get-go and I never will.

 

[paintnolish]

The finger scan does not bother me, but I draw the line at the anal probe. I think they might have already implanted some sort of homing device in me, though...

 

[livie1205]

These scanners never seem to work for me for some reason, whenever I use them it never lets me through. However, Cast Members always override the system and let me through. So it makes me wonder, what's the point?

I bet you $10 I could get through those turnstiles on anyones ticket.

I am sure you could...anytime my kids get their tickets mixed up they just send them on through.I even had my priny put on my dh ticket by accident and they just let me pass through anyway.We have never had to show ID to get through.

 

[larryz]

I don't like it at all. They don't need our fingerprints.

The fact that they started off by lying about it and saying that they weren't really taking a fingerprint, that it was a bone scan kinda raised red flags, too. Why lie?

And they don't always work, at which point you have to go through a bunch of other crap.

Plus, I really hate the way it turned entering the park into a pain in the neck instead of the fun it once was. It really was a ton of fun back in the day. Now it is just another hassle.

Are you referring to the "two-finger salute" scanners? http://www.biometricsinfo.org/handgeometry.htm

IMHO, the finger scan adds a "high-tech" glitz to the experience you couldn't get any other way (short of "beaming up" to the parks directly from the parking lots...).

 

[Oz-kateer]

I guess it's just one of several ways of preventing people from rorting the system and sharing entry passes. There is no "ideal" way of doing this that will suit everyone because it will always involve identifying you somehow, whether it be taking your photo or whatever.

All it appears to do is match fingerprint A to pass A and fingerprint B to pass B etc.

Years ago in Hawaii a friend of mine had to supply a fingerprint in order to get a cash advance on her own credit card, which took us by surprise.

 

[Robo]

Years ago in Hawaii a friend of mine had to supply a fingerprint in order to get a cash advance on her own credit card, which took us by surprise.

Many banks now require a fingerprint (right on the check) if you are cashing a check.

And, these requests are for "real" fingerprints, not just a stored "reference number" like at WDW.

 

[Mirax]

Personaly I like that they take fingerprints. If it keeps the creeps out of the parks, I'm all for it. I wish they would run the prints so that they know when a parole violater was on the premisis, or a murder suspect, or a mother/father who has kidnapped their child. Privacy versus safety. I pick safety.

Mirax

 

[Robo]

If it keeps the creeps out of the parks, I'm all for it.

On the outside chance that you are not joking...

It does not screen for "creeps."

 

[Mirax]

Personaly I like that they take fingerprints. If it keeps the creeps out of the parks, I'm all for it. I wish they would run the prints so that they know when a parole violater was on the premisis, or a murder suspect, or a mother/father who has kidnapped their child. Privacy versus safety. I pick safety.

Mirax

I'm not joking and I think my explanation was quite clear. I know they don't. Creeps being registered sex offenders who would be in parole violation by attending the parks due to the sheer number of children.

You would think registered sex offenders would think twice if there was proof that they attended the park for the day. That is why I said I wish they did run the prints. I know they don't, otherwise we would not have the whole "Man arrested at waterpark" thread.

Mirax

 

[Robo]

You would think registered sex offenders would think twice if there was proof that they attended the park for the day.

They don't have to give their real names. Or any name, for that matter.

 

[Mirax]

Hits head on keyboard. All registered offenders have their fingerprints on file with state and local registries. If Disney does or would run the fingerprints through any kind of data-base other than their own it would not happen at the turn styles. If the locals are looking for someone they could run a days worth of prints and know who was in violation of their parole. No names needed.


I think you missed my point, I know they don't use the fingerprints for any kind of security other than to proof ownership of the pass. It would be nice if they could use fingerprints for a greater good.

Mirax

 

[Robo]

Hits head on keyboard.

Disney does not take fingerprints.