Finally theres peace in the NFL

foolishmortal said:
Sorry buffalo new york is closer than most other teams in the NFL to the east coast...Buffalo is closer to nig market for media then Denver is.

Sure, close (well, 200 miles away) from NYC, who already has two NFL teams. You think NYC cares much about Buffalo football?

And yes Buffalo was in the super bowls when Denver wasn't that was an afc monoply at the time denver and buffalo....whats the point there??????

You were the one who was bringing up Buffalo as an example of a team that doesn't win.

With the money that is generate by this sport in the country it would be almost impossible to run a team and not make money if you have any business sense of today and the future.

You could throw a team in the middle of nowere if you can get them to pay for a stadium and make tons of money.

Who's claiming that any NFL team is not making money? This isn't about teams not making money -- this is simply about a group of billionaires dividing up the billions amongst themselves.

Ralph Wilson didn't say he was voting against the agreement because he might lose money, BTW. He voted against it because he didn't understand the agreement in full and wanted more time. Granted, he's basically admitting that he doesn't understand what he's doing as an owner, which in and of itself is kind of scary, but I think you're going at Buffalo for no real reason.

And before you ask -- no, I'm not a Buffalo fan.
 
cardaway said:
But as Bob pointed out earlier, the TV revenues are split so that doesn't enter into the equation.



What help?

The ownership has very little to do with team success. The Redskins have had the highest salary and got very little in return. The management, especially the coach and a good General Manager making the right draft/sign/release decision is what makes or breaks a NFL team.

Baseball is the only sport IMO where the owner can buy a championship, which BTW, is the only major porfessional sport without a salary cap.

the redskins have hig salary but spent it wrong...who spends that money...owners!

Lavar Arrington..what a joke last year lets spen millins to pay him to stay on the bench. Now that was of course a coaches decison but who hires the coches..Owners!

Bowlen brought Shanny in with the understanding that hey shanny runs the team right from draft to free agents, etc...but Bowlen has the last call on all of it if he wants. But he trusts shanny to get rid of bad seeds when there is a chance.

In Washington they still were going to keep Lavar until he bought himself out..BAD OWNERSHIP to even think about keeping him....even if it was for trade bait.
 
I was looking, actually, for no agreement this year. Green Bay was so far under that cap, that we could have had some fun with the big named people getting cut! Although, no salary cap would probably destroy Green Bay, since we have no owner.
 
Bob Slydell said:
Sure, close (well, 200 miles away) from NYC, who already has two NFL teams. You think NYC cares much about Buffalo football?



You were the one who was bringing up Buffalo as an example of a team that doesn't win.



Who's claiming that any NFL team is not making money? This isn't about teams not making money -- this is simply about a group of billionaires dividing up the billions amongst themselves.

Ralph Wilson didn't say he was voting against the agreement because he might lose money, BTW. He voted against it because he didn't understand the agreement in full and wanted more time. Granted, he's basically admitting that he doesn't understand what he's doing as an owner, which in and of itself is kind of scary, but I think you're going at Buffalo for no real reason.

And before you ask -- no, I'm not a Buffalo fan.


That last part is funny..lol

I brought up buffalo because they were 1 of 2 teams that voted no...when was the last time they won anything????

And again..he doesn't understand it...BAD OWNER!!

now yes there are 3 ny teams but there are millions more near there then what is near Denver.







here are a couple of messages from another boars I frequent...I am not alone in my thinking.

here is 1:

"Classic. Mike Brown and Ralph Wilson are the only owners who voted against the CBA.

Is there a bigger joke of a franchise than the Cincinnati Bengals. Okay, are there five bigger jokes of a franchise than the Cincinnati Bengals?

Say you're an owner that spends as much as you can on players every year. You lobby to get a new stadium to increase revenues, then unpopularly sell the naming rights to the stadium - to increase revenues. You go out and get local tv stations into bidding wars to be able to claim local tv rights to your product - to increase revenues. You basically run it as a business.

Then you have Mike Brown, who traditionally puts the cheapest product on the field every year. He has the team headquarters under a freeway overpass. For years, players see playing for his franchise as Siberia. And when it comes to naming his stadium, he bypasses the tens of millions of dollars he can get and insists on having it named after his dad.

Yet other owners have to supplement this moron's business decisions with their hard work. Essentially, every team's top line is the same, but while some teams spend much more to try and make their product better, guys like Mike Brown shovel as much into their pockets as they can, at the expense of the League and their fans.

And then when it comes to vote on the CBA, he goes against the will of his very generous business partners and votes against it."





here is another


" Sure, but at what cost? With revenue sharing - especially revenue sharing post-CBA extension, it isn't neccesarily Mike Brown that has to pay for the stadium name. It's Pat Bowlen, and Jerry Jones, and Daniel Snyder, and Robert Kraft. So, while Mike Brown's desires as to who it gets named after may be novel, it's easy to make those decisions when you don't have to foot the bill.

It would be like me going to my neighbors and demanding that my front yard be named Athena Field after my recently-deceased English Bulldog, and then demanding that they all chip in to pay for a plaque and signage to announce it as such. That's just not the way it works."
 

foolishmortal said:
here are a couple of messages from another boars I frequent...I am not alone in my thinking.

Doesn't mean you're still not wrong -- you just have company. :)

I still don't understand what's the big deal? :confused3

Sure there's bad owners -- there's always been bad owners and there will always be bad owners in the future. What that has to do with the CBA is beyond me. :confused3

This CBA has nothing to do with keeping teams running -- again, it's all about owners dividing up profits. I don't even think Denver's being mentioned as a team that will take that big of a hit financially anyways.
 
Bob Slydell said:
Doesn't mean you're still not wrong -- you just have company. :)

I still don't understand what's the big deal? :confused3

Sure there's bad owners -- there's always been bad owners and there will always be bad owners in the future. What that has to do with the CBA is beyond me. :confused3

This CBA has nothing to do with keeping teams running -- again, it's all about owners dividing up profits. I don't even think Denver's being mentioned as a team that will take that big of a hit financially anyways.


Oh ITA with you Denver, Dallas, Pats, etc...they wont be hit big...but why should thier pocket books be lighter to help for a bad decision on another owners part?

and the cap is smaller because of these bad owners. If they made smarter decisions and more money then the cap would be higher which in return would help a team ...LIKE MINE!!!! :teeth:
 
BabyTigger99 said:
I was looking, actually, for no agreement this year. Green Bay was so far under that cap, that we could have had some fun with the big named people getting cut! Although, no salary cap would probably destroy Green Bay, since we have no owner.

Seattle is/was in a similar position. While it would have been fun to see Seattle load up on the stars this year and for every year going forward (because well... what CAN'T Paul Allen afford?) it would have turned the NFL into the MLB.

So what is it this year... 10 or 12 MLB teams that have any shot, or are even trying to have shot, at winning the World Series. :rolleyes:
 
foolishmortal said:
Oh ITA with you Denver, Dallas, Pats, etc...they wont be hit big...but why should thier pocket books be lighter to help for a bad decision on another owners part?

and the cap is smaller because of these bad owners. If they made smarter decisions and more money then the cap would be higher which in return would help a team ...LIKE MINE!!!! :teeth:

Outside of this CBA deal the NFL is stronger than ever as whole and it appears you have no understanding of why that is the case.
 
cardaway said:
Seattle is/was in a similar position. While it would have been fun to see Seattle load up on the stars this year and for every year going forward (because well... what CAN'T Paul Allen afford?) it would have turned the NFL into the MLB.

So what is it this year... 10 or 12 MLB teams that have any shot, or are even trying to have shot, at winning the World Series. :rolleyes:

10 teams?? how about 5 or 6...lol

and they are all AL. I am an NL fan so that disappoints me.

Cleveland, Toronto, Yanks, Red Sox I think the champ comes out of those 4.
 
foolishmortal said:
10 teams?? how about 5 or 6...lol

and they are all AL. I am an NL fan so that disappoints me.

Cleveland, Toronto, Yanks, Red Sox I think the champ comes out of those 4.

Ummm, you sort of left out the defending champs on that list.

Heck, I'm a die hard Indians fan, but even I realize that the Tribe's first challenge is beating the White Sox -- who got stronger from last year's team.
 
cardaway said:
Outside of this CBA deal the NFL is stronger than ever as whole and it appears you have no understanding of why that is the case.

as a whole yes...but I don't look at it as a whole when your team has to help teams in worse shape.


don't get me wrong I am only venting because someone making millions is complaing because someone else is making a few more millions, but it's thier own fault.

Football is better off the way it is right now and I understand that.
 
Bob Slydell said:
Ummm, you sort of left out the defending champs on that list.

Heck, I'm a die hard Indians fan, but even I realize that the Tribe's first challenge is beating the White Sox -- who got stronger from last year's team.


I thought about them but I just don't know. They will be good no doubt, but I think Cleveland will get over them this year.

I listed those teams that if I were in Vegas right now thats where my money would go.
 












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