Favorite Depressing Songs

No, the avid JT fan on the boards has been banned, sorry.

I'm an avid JT fan, and unless this post fails to go through, I haven't been banned.

I had always heard that JT met Suzanne in McLean hospital, where he was rehabing from a nasty heroin habit. Perhaps Snopes has the real story? I know we have avid Snopes fans here, maybe they can find out the real deal.
 
Here it is. :)

Claim: The lyrics of "Fire and Rain" chronicle James Taylor's reaction to the death of his girlfriend in a plane crash.
Status: False.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2000]


The real story behind 'Fire and Rain,' as I understand it, is that some friends of James were going to surprise James by bringing his girlfriend, Suzanne, to one of his concerts -- unbeknownst to James. According to the story, Suzanne's plane crashed ('sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground') on her way to see the concert and Suzanne dies ('Suzanne the plans they made put an end to you').



Origins: Gentle, plaintive, and compelling, "Fire and Rain" was the hit that launched the career of James Taylor, one of the 1970's premier singer-songwriters. The song's mournful lyrics of loss and redemption were enigmatic, and many listeners tried to make sense of the words by reading literal meaning into them.


Just yesterday morning, they let me know you were gone.
Suzanne, the plans they made put an end to you.
I walked out this mornin', and I wrote down this song;
I just can't remember who to send it to.
I've seen fire, and I've seen rain.
I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end.
I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend,
But I always thought that I'd see you again.

Won't you look down upon me Jesus?
You gotta help me make a stand.
You just got to see me through another day.
My body's achin', and my time is at hand.
I won't make it any other way.

[repeat chorus]

Been walkin' my mind to an easy time,
My back turned towards the sun.
Lord knows when the cold wind blows,
it'll turn your head around.

Well there's hours of time on the telephone line
to talk about things to come:
Sweet dreams and flying machines
in pieces on the ground.

[repeat chorus]




Taylor's audience collectively developed an autobiographical story line for his "Fire and Rain" lyrics: Suzanne, the girl who was now "gone," had been Taylor's girlfriend. They were frequently separated as he travelled on tour, but they kept in close touch, spending "hours of time on the telephone line" and talking about the good "things to come" when Taylor finally established himself as a musician. Seeing how disconsolate Taylor was at being away from his love, his friends arranged for Suzanne to fly out to meet him at his next tour stop. Suzanne joyfully accepted, but the flight carrying her to a reunion with her beloved crashed, and she was killed. Both the "flying machine" and Taylor's "sweet dreams" were now "in pieces on the ground," and he had lost the woman he "always thought" he'd "see again."

Although James Taylor's song is indeed autobiographical, it doesn't match the heart-wrenching story line of popular legend. By the time "Fire and Rain" established Taylor as an international pop star at the tender age of twenty-two, he'd experienced plenty of psychological and physical pain upon which he could draw in crafting his lyrics. He already had a long history of depression and substance abuse for which he'd been hospitalized twice (his first hospital experience was the basis of the song 'Knockin' Around the Zoo' on his Apple debut album), and he'd also spent several months recuperating from a near-fatal motorcycle accident. All of this was fodder for his songwriting, as he explained in a 1972 interview with Rolling Stone:


"Fire and Rain" has three verses. The first verse is about my reactions to the death of a friend. The second verse is about my arrival in this country with a monkey on my back, and there Jesus is an expression of my desperation in trying to get through the time when my body was aching and the time was at hand when I had to do it . . . And the third verse of that song refers to my recuperation in Austin Riggs which lasted about five months.



Taylor hasn't spoken publicly about the identity of or the nature of his relationship with the 'Suzanne' referred to in the first verse of the song. In his recent James Taylor biography, Ian Halperin writes:


Privately, however, Taylor has admitted to friends that Suzanne was a girl he met when he was in the Austin Riggs mental hospital. They became close friends because they shared many interests and goals . . . He was deeply saddened when he found out Suzanne committed suicide several months after he left the hospital. At first, Taylor didn't find out about Suzanne's death for several weeks, because his friends were afraid that that if they told him he might do a lot of drugs or something drastic to escape the reality of his friend's death. So they waited until he was finished recording before to break the news to him.



Even if Taylor's friends are right about how Taylor met 'Suzanne,' they're still wrong about when he met her. Taylor entered Austin Riggs psychiatric hospital in Stockbridge, Massachusetts, a few months after his October 1968 return to the United States from England, where he had recorded his debut album for the Beatles' Apple lable. Yet the liner notes from the CD re-issue of that album indicate that among the unreleased tracks recorded by Taylor was an early version of "Fire and Rain," which means the song clearly antedates his stay at Austin Riggs. If 'Suzanne' was an acquaintance from one of Taylor's hospital stays, it had to have been from his 1965 stay at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts, when he was seventeen.

The mention of the "flying machines in pieces on the ground" is not about an airplane crash; it's an allusion to a group called The Flying Machine that Taylor had formed with his friend Danny Kortchmar. The group disbanded in 1967 when Taylor's drug problems led him to leave New York and return to his parents' home in North Carolina.

Last updated: 17 December 2000
 
Interesting. I had never heard the plane crash theory before tonight.

Its hard to imagine James Taylor as a junkie in a mental institution - he always seems so calm and happy when I've seen him in concert. And as a long-time avid fan, I am so happy he kicked his habit, the music world is so enriched from having him around all these years. :)
 

"Goodbye My Friend" by Linda Ronstadt.

Oh we never know where life will take us
I know it's just a ride on the wheel
And we never know when death will shake us
And we wonder how it will feel

So goodbye my friend
I know I'll never see you again
But the time together through all the years
Will take away these tears
It's okay now
Goodbye my friend

I've seen a lot things that make me crazy
And I guess I held on to you
We could've run away and left well maybe
But it wasn't time and we both knew

So goodbye my friend
I know I'll never see you again
But the love you gave me through all the years
Will take away these tears
I'm okay now
Goodbye my friend

Life's so fragile and love's so pure
We can't hold on but we try
We watch how quickly it disappears
And we never know why

But I'm okay now
Goodbye my friend
You can go now
Goodbye my friend
 
I would have to say the violin theme song from Schinder's List is about the saddest music I have heard. For that matter, pretty much any song on that sound track might qualify...
 
Ahhhhhhh Michelle!

Ohhhhhhhh, that has to be the most depressing song by far. :( Ahhhh. :( I saw the title and tried to get away as fast as I could!

It's a beautiful, heart wrenchingl song. :( :)
 
Originally posted by snoopy
Interesting. I had never heard the plane crash theory before tonight.

Its hard to imagine James Taylor as a junkie in a mental institution - he always seems so calm and happy when I've seen him in concert. And as a long-time avid fan, I am so happy he kicked his habit, the music world is so enriched from having him around all these years. :)

Actually after I posted that stuff about Fire and Rain.. I looked into his bio about his stay at McLean hospital... I' ve read about it in two books (Girl, Interrupted, and On the Inside... both similiar topics)


Suprisingly enough, if I was reading the interview/bio correctly, James and MOST of his siblings ..if I recall 6 of the 7 were in mental institutions in the late 60's.

He was at another hospital after Mclean... Austin Riggs.
 
Browneyes just reminded me of another song that makes me sad. It's been done by various artists the one that gets me the most is B.J. Thomas's version of it "I'm so lonesome I could cry"
 
1*15*96 by The Ataris:

Let me start this from the day we met.
You looked so beautiful, I never will forget.
Then you opened up your eyes, looked at me and kinda smiled.
I was scared, but still happy at the same time.
I never wanted us to be a superficial family.
But in the end it was the only thing we could be.

Angie, I'm sorry I wasn't right for you
Just what did you expect for me to do?
You know that I would have done anything for you.

I sometimes think about how things could be
If you would've took a chance and moved out here with me.
We'd cruise along the 101 in the California sun
Sing Descendents songs and have ourselves lots of fun.
Stay out drinking really late stumble home from lower State.
Treat every day like it would be our first date.

Angie, I'm sorry that you weren't right for me.
I guess that it just wasn't meant to be.
I quit pretending you were in love with me.





Dumb Reminders by No Use For A Name (click to listen)
 
Cindy B, did you not know that the elevator music was the music for Alone Again, Naturally?
 
Originally posted by jfulcer
I would have to say the violin theme song from Schinder's List is about the saddest music I have heard.

I agree, jfulcer! That piece of music is one of the most beautiful but saddest I have ever heard. Because it is attached in my memory to the movie about the Holocaust, it is too agonizing to listen to, but is is stunning.
 
Yes, I did... didn't like it then.. don't like it now!


Personally, how could such a song be put in tones, that people can hum in grocery stores... just sort of minimizes the pain the person feels..

Again, that just my opinion.. it trivializes the hurt, the despair... by making it a catchy tune!
 
For me personally, it's With Hope by Steven Curtis Chapman.

Kills me EVERY time, but I love the song.

Artist : Steven Curtis Chapman
Song : With Hope


This is not at all
How we thought it was suppose to be
We had so many plans for you
We has so many dreams
But now you've gone away
ANd left us with the memories of your smile
And nothing we can say
And nothing we can do
Can Take away the pain
The pain of losing you

And we will cry with hope
We can say good-bye with hope
'Cause we know our good-bye is not the end
And we will grieve with hope
'Cause we believe with hope
There's a place where we'll see your face again
We'll see your face again

And never have I known
Anything so hard to understand
And never have I questioned more
The wisdom of God's plan
But through the cloud of tears
I see the Father smile and say ' well done.'
And I imagine you
Where you wanted most to be
Seeing all your dreams come true
'Cause now your home
And now your free

Chorus

We have this hope as an anchor
'Cause we believe that everything
God promises us is true

Chorus

We wait with hope
And we ache with hope
We hold on with hope
We let go with hope
 
My favorite is To Where You Are by Josh Groban. I think of my father who passed away 5 years ago.
 
To where You Atr by Josh Groban and If You Sleep by Tal Bachman always make me cry
 
I thought about Mark Wills song Don't laugh at me. That always gets me too!
 

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