FastPass Policy - For Resort Guests Only

[doconeill]

Instead of not going, why not just book at a Disney Property?

It was said in the part you quoted.

Also, others have vacation properties down there. Others live nearby. Booking a WDW room in those cases because it is the only way to enjoy WDW is, as you would say, "idiocy".

 

[CIA]

It was said in the part you quoted.

Because DH isn't a big Disney fan? That is not a valid reason.

Also, others have vacation properties down there. Others live nearby. Booking a WDW room in those cases because it is the only way to enjoy WDW is, as you would say, "idiocy".

The people who have vacation properties or live down there also get to go to Disney a lot more often than people who are typically booking rooms on Disney property. So it only makes sense for resort guests to get the rights for fast passes so they can truly enjoy the little time they have in the parks. They're also spending a lot more money than people who are locals who simply buy an annual pass for about 500 bucks.

 

[doconeill]

Because DH isn't a big Disney fan? That is not a valid reason.

It is to them, just not you.

The people who have vacation properties or live down there also get to go to Disney a lot more often than people who are typically booking rooms on Disney property. So it only makes sense for resort guests to get the rights for fast passes so they can truly enjoy the little time they have in the parks. They're also spending a lot more money than people who are locals who simply buy an annual pass for about 500 bucks.

Assumptions. I know people who have timeshares down there. They only get to go once a year if that. I know people who go once a year and stay on property. I can also argue that locals can spend a lot more at WDW than someone only traveling once - more expensive tickets, dining numerous times over the course of a year, attend more upcharge events, etc. You seem to assume that they simply show up, ride some rides, and go home - but I know plenty who do otherwise. They may not spend as much in a single day or a week as someone making the once-a-year trip, but over the course of that year they spend a lot more. So your argument on these points has no merit.

 

[CIA]

It is to them, just not you.





Assumptions. I know people who have timeshares down there. They only get to go once a year if that. I know people who go once a year and stay on property. I can also argue that locals can spend a lot more at WDW than someone only traveling once - more expensive tickets, dining numerous times over the course of a year, attend more upcharge events, etc. You seem to assume that they simply show up, ride some rides, and go home - but I know plenty who do otherwise. They may not spend as much in a single day or a week as someone making the once-a-year trip, but over the course of that year they spend a lot more. So your argument on these points has no merit.

If someone isn't a Disney fan, why are they even going to Disney? Makes no sense. Okay you say it's for the others, fine, then just tough it and stay at a Disney park.

My arguments have plenty of merit. A week at the Beach Club can run someone $3000+. Add in the Dining Plan for the typical family of 4 and that's another $1000+ for the week. Add in the park tickets for the family of 4 and that's another $1000. Add in miscellaneous expenses, snacks and drinks, you're probably looking at a cost approaching $6,000.

I would venture to say that less than 1% of locals are spending $6,000 during the year.

I just debunked your post and theory. Try again.

 

[KPeterso]

It is to them, just not you.





Assumptions. I know people who have timeshares down there. They only get to go once a year if that. I know people who go once a year and stay on property. I can also argue that locals can spend a lot more at WDW than someone only traveling once - more expensive tickets, dining numerous times over the course of a year, attend more upcharge events, etc. You seem to assume that they simply show up, ride some rides, and go home - but I know plenty who do otherwise. They may not spend as much in a single day or a week as someone making the once-a-year trip, but over the course of that year they spend a lot more. So your argument on these points has no merit.

I completely agree with you. I am local to Disneyland in CA, and carry a Premier Pass for DL and WDW. That is $720 up front that Disney has taken from me. I would never get the perk of fastpass at DL if they did this unless I book an onsite stay. I might get to do that 1-2 times a year as a treat on my DVC points. I get down to WDW 1 time a year generally. Yes, I probably spend more in a week there than I would in a month at DL, but I spend more at DL throughout the year. Souvenirs I can get at DL or WDW, I get at DL. Then I don't have to carry them or worry about bag fees. Losing fastpass at DL would make me really mad. I am sure I would keep going, but I would be royally annoyed. At WDW, I really do not care about perks. I am from the west coast and early EMH is just too early for my west coast time clock. But, I love my fastpasses. DL tends to be a much more locally supported park, and Disney would probably lose a lot of people who would get APs if they limited fastpass to hotel guests only. DL would hurt a lot to lose all the locals. I have many friends who will let APs lapse of months or a year or two before getting them again. WDW does not have the local population to the same degree, so it would probably not hurt them to lose the locals.

 

[crashbb]

If someone isn't a Disney fan, why are they even going to Disney? Makes no sense. Okay you say it's for the others, fine, then just tough it and stay at a Disney park.

My arguments have plenty of merit. A week at the Beach Club can run someone $3000+. Add in the Dining Plan for the typical family of 4 and that's another $1000+ for the week. Add in the park tickets for the family of 4 and that's another $1000. Add in miscellaneous expenses, snacks and drinks, you're probably looking at a cost approaching $6,000.

I would venture to say that less than 1% of locals are spending $6,000 during the year.

I just debunked your post and theory. Try again.

Except that very few families spend $6000 in a week at WDW. Unlike you, I actually facts to back this up...

Besides, you double counted food - your family had the dining plan yet still spent $1000 on snacks and drinks?

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2513348&page=49

 

[jade1]

They could "lock out" my families park passes from using FP at all, if they allowed us 2 reserved in advance FP's per day when staying onsite. We normally use it more than that-so this would increase FP availability for others. It could continue to stay "unlimited" for offsite guests, and for onsite guests that choose not to participate on certain or all days. Just looking for a more convenient and relaxing way to do things-esp since we tend to stay out late with kids in their 20's now.

 

[doconeill]

If someone isn't a Disney fan, why are they even going to Disney? Makes no sense. Okay you say it's for the others, fine, then just tough it and stay at a Disney park.

My arguments have plenty of merit. A week at the Beach Club can run someone $3000+. Add in the Dining Plan for the typical family of 4 and that's another $1000+ for the week. Add in the park tickets for the family of 4 and that's another $1000. Add in miscellaneous expenses, snacks and drinks, you're probably looking at a cost approaching $6,000.

I would venture to say that less than 1% of locals are spending $6,000 during the year.

I just debunked your post and theory. Try again.

I'm afraid you didn't. You have one example of one way of doing things that I can easily counter, against a guess on your part.

Plenty of people at value resorts, with no dining plan, etc...

 

[sjaakie]

Except that very few families spend $6000 in a week at WDW. Unlike you, I actually facts to back this up...

Besides, you double counted food - your family had the dining plan yet still spent $1000 on snacks and drinks?

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2513348&page=49

Whit tips this is comes close to what we payed extra.

 

[CIA]

Except that very few families spend $6000 in a week at WDW. Unlike you, I actually facts to back this up...

Besides, you double counted food - your family had the dining plan yet still spent $1000 on snacks and drinks?

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2513348&page=49

I didn't double count anything. I said $1,000 on miscellaneous expenses, snacks, and drinks. Snacks and drinks yes. The dining plan only gives 1 person 1 snack per day. I don't know about how you do things, but I drink a lot more than a single drink during the day and get pastries here and there, get something for breakfast. Those are extra costs. Miscellaneous includes tips, restaurant appetizers, and souvenirs that people buy. So for a family of four, $1,000 is on the conservative end.

 

[CIA]

I'm afraid you didn't. You have one example of one way of doing things that I can easily counter, against a guess on your part.

Plenty of people at value resorts, with no dining plan, etc...

Which is why it is commonly mentioned that deluxes should get an opportunity for more fast passes than those at values and mods, simply because they spend more money.

 

[danceintherain]

That's okay but people who don't plan will typically get crushed at Disney.

That's not true. We had successful Disney vacations before I started planning the trips.

I guarantee you if Disney thought they would make more money by only offering Fast Passes to a smaller group of people, they would be doing it. Ultimately, they only have so much space in their hotels. During certain times of year those hotels are completely at capacity. People pay more money to stay in them during those times, so they're pretty much paying more money to wait in longer lines. There's no point for Disney to change the FP system to only accommodate resort guests, because the people are staying at Disney resorts anyways.
During the times of year when there are less people in the parks, Disney tries very hard to get their hotels at capacity. They do a pretty good job of this with the discounts they offer. Thus, during those times of year a large portion of the people in the parks are staying in a Disney hotel. If Disney offered Fast Pass to only resort guests, it would be almost as if they were offering it to everyone in the park anyways. Even during these times the Disney resorts tend to be fairly close to capacity, so again no benefit to Disney to offer it only to resort guests. Maybe it would undercut some people, but not enough to make a significant difference.

The people staying in the resort are already Disney hostages. They very likely spend all their vacation money at Disney while they're in Orlando. Disney wants to pull in money from other guests. Fast Pass is one way to do this.

 

[CIA]

The people staying in the resort are already Disney hostages. They very likely spend all their vacation money at Disney while they're in Orlando. Disney wants to pull in money from other guests. Fast Pass is one way to do this.

I believe Disney was still raking in incredible profits before the invention of the Fast Pass! I don't think changing the system would deter non-resort guests to stop coming. But really, it's impossible to know until an experiment was done so all we're doing on this issue is making a guess. You think yours is correct, I think mine is correct. Impossible to know for sure.

 

[KellyNY]

Which is why it is commonly mentioned that deluxes should get an opportunity for more fast passes than those at values and mods, simply because they spend more money.

And they get more then they could at moderates and value. Isn't why they spend more money anyway, bigger and better room, balconies, location, view, landscaping, activities, access. So why they should get better treatment in parks? They spend same money on ticket like anyone else.

 

[CIA]

And they get more then they could at moderates and value. Isn't why they spend more money anyway, bigger and better room, balconies, location, view, landscaping, activities, access. So why they should get better treatment in parks? They spend same money on ticket like anyone else.

Mods are $200, Deluxes are $400+. I don't necessarily think a balcony and some pretty landscaping justifies that price.

 

[KellyNY]

Mods are $200, Deluxes are $400+. I don't necessarily think a balcony and some pretty landscaping justifies that price.

I mentioned more then just a balcony. If people stay there, they find it worth it. Remember, you can always get a cheaper deluxe off property but will you get same view at the castle. Some things about Disney deluxed are simply irreplaceble. So I guess it does justify price after all.

 

[dmband]

as someone who always stays on site i would love it if they had only resot guests get fp
however how could you control it in terms of tickets? since many people don't have their tickets connected to their room key
what i would consider a nice "upgrade" would be if resrrt guests could get a 2nd fp sooner then a typical person, but then again how could you control it

 

[CIA]

as someone who always stays on site i would love it if they had only resot guests get fp
however how could you control it in terms of tickets? since many people don't have their tickets connected to their room key
what i would consider a nice "upgrade" would be if resrrt guests could get a 2nd fp sooner then a typical person, but then again how could you control it

Aren't AP holders the only ones who don't have their park tickets connected to their rooms? I've always stayed at a resort and my room has always been connected to my park ticket.

 

[CIA]

I mentioned more then just a balcony. If people stay there, they find it worth it. Remember, you can always get a cheaper deluxe off property but will you get same view at the castle. Some things about Disney deluxed are simply irreplaceble. So I guess it does justify price after all.

Off property resorts have huge disadvantages like having to drive around Disney which I don't want to do, no dining plan, no ME, list goes on and on. But people at the values get basically the same perks as those at deluxes and that is not right, not right at all.

 

[juliebug1997]

While we always stay on property, and try to utilize FP to our utmost, I would not like to see it's use restricted like this. Resort guests already have the benefit of EMH. Disney's fastpass system is much fairer to ALL park guests, compared to Universal, where you have to buy it. JMHO

While resort guests do have EMH, I have never seen anyone kicked out during the evening part of that program.

So long as it wouldn't be something to add on for a fee (like the dining plan), I would be on board with it. We prefer staying on property anyways.