Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[KellyNY]

Except it was also mentioned in the independent study I posted a link to.

Key word "independant", not "official".

 

[doconeill]

Key word "independant", not "official".

Wow...back to that whole "official" thing. Disney doesn't have to give an official reason for doing it. And "official" does not mean "real", either, as discussed a few pages back.

Since Disney also did not publicly (or even internally) say exactly why they are enforcing Fastpasses either, I guess saying it was because of abuse of late FPs holds no water either, because it is not "official". Or for that matter, are they even "officially" enforcing Fastpass return times?

By the way, here's another one for the analogy lovers, and this one comes right from Disney, and isn't just be pulling something out of thin air - it's real:

On the page to purchase Individual Enrollment YES program tickets, it says that a 7 day premium ticket includes 5 water park and DQ admissions.

But the tickets, when they arrive, are good for 7 water park and DQ admissions. I know this, as that is what others are reporting they are getting. So I order them, and I get a ticket with 7 water park and DQ admissions. If I use the 6th or 7th admission, am I being bad? After all, according to the web site, I should only have gotten 5. People may have to wait if they reach capacity while I'm in there, after all.

[Why, why, why did I post in this thread again?]

 

[nytimez]

Well, I've been on this merry-go-round from the get-go, and I've got to say that at this point, I'm reading just to see what nytimez will say next...



P.S. Are you accepting applications for groupies?

Depends. How do you feel about sucrifising chickens?

PS: Bring beer. No kitchen wine around here.

 

[KellyNY]

Wow...back to that whole "official" thing. Disney doesn't have to give an official reason for doing it. And "official" does not mean "real", either, as discussed a few pages back.

Since Disney also did not publicly (or even internally) say exactly why they are enforcing Fastpasses either, I guess saying it was because of abuse of late FPs holds no water either, because it is not "official". Or for that matter, are they even "officially" enforcing Fastpass return times?

By the way, here's another one for the analogy lovers, and this one comes right from Disney, and isn't just be pulling something out of thin air - it's real:

On the page to purchase Individual Enrollment YES program tickets, it says that a 7 day premium ticket includes 5 water park and DQ admissions.

But the tickets, when they arrive, are good for 7 water park and DQ admissions. I know this, as that is what others are reporting they are getting. So I order them, and I get a ticket with 7 water park and DQ admissions. If I use the 6th or 7th admission, am I being bad? After all, according to the web site, I should only have gotten 5. People may have to wait if they reach capacity while I'm in there, after all.

[Why, why, why did I post in this thread again?]

Redirecting question once again... You cannot pull out Independant Study, which is pretty much someone opinion on a big scale and use it as an Official explanation. You know this just like I do.
And once again, I do not ask for analogies, I am asking one very simple question, if Time Window does not matter and letting people in late not an exception, why it is there?

 

[ftballfan7]

What is this fair amount of evidence besides rumors? Please share.

The full circle reference was about the conversation arriving back to the same point...not sure you what you thought it was.

The evidence has been shared and re-shared. Your refusal to acknowledge the evidence does not compel me to repeat it again.

I knew exactly what you meant by "full circle". My point being that you sticking your fingers in your ears while stomping your feet and singing "LA LA LA LA LALA LA" does not constitute a conversation going full circle. Just an individual's or in this case individuals' refusal to allow their opinions to be modified through discourse.

 

[doconeill]

Redirecting question once again... You cannot pull out Independant Study, which is pretty much someone opinion on a big scale and use it as an Official explanation. You know this just like I do.
And once again, I do not ask for analogies, I am asking one very simple question, if Time Window does not matter and letting people in late not an exception, why it is there?

I did not say it was an official explanation. But we've gotten that explanation from more than one source, one of which was an independent study on virtual queue systems and talked to Disney designers. It is _an_ explanation, which is what you asked for. Disney does not, in fact, offer an explanation, official or otherwise, as to why the time window is there. You can infer an explanation if you so choose, but it is not official either.

 

[nytimez]

if Time Window does not matter and letting people in late not an exception, why it is there?

Why do babies laugh while watching "COPS"?

 

[cm8]

mm, last night, as we were entering an attraction in the MK, the FP greeter stopped the person in front of us, and explained that her FPs had "expired" (it was about 8:30pm, and apparently her passes were from sometime that morning.) So the CM explained about March 7, etc., and of course, asked the guest to proceed and enjoy the ride.

The guest replied: "But what if I have dinner reservations, and the FP window is at the same time? What am I supposed to do?" To which the CM replied, bluntly but politely: "Then you wouldn't get a FP for that attraction."

The guest was completely baffled. Of course there were now 40 people behind her waiting to go through the line... We thought the CM handled it perfectly.

Must have been a DIS-er

 

[KellyNY]

I did not say it was an official explanation. But we've gotten that explanation from more than one source, one of which was an independent study on virtual queue systems and talked to Disney designers. It is _an_ explanation, which is what you asked for. Disney does not, in fact, offer an explanation, official or otherwise, as to why the time window is there. You can infer an explanation if you so choose, but it is not official either.

I asked for official explanation, not an opinion and any source unless it is Disney, just an opinion. I do not offer any explanation, I just state that FP says return between then and then and this is pretty self explanatory. I do not deny that they let you use it later but as I said before, even in their operational reminders it said IF YOU MISSED WINDOW. They do refer to window, do they? And since they talk about missing window, letting person anyway is exception they allow from intended rule. So once again if it was not meant to follow, why it is there? I am talking now about documents we all see as official.
So can you point where it sais that I should disregard window, while it is of course obvious I could due to exception. There is a huge difference between allowed and meant to be and huge difference between rule and exception.

 

[going/again]

Like I said, Disney doesn't want me skipping my dining experience (Disney losing $$$).

Dont worry Disney wont lose money, someone else will take your place.

 

[KellyNY]

Why do babies laugh while watching "COPS"?

Cut on beer...

 

[mesaboy2]

Redirecting question once again... You cannot pull out Independant Study, which is pretty much someone opinion on a big scale and use it as an Official explanation. You know this just like I do.
And once again, I do not ask for analogies, I am asking one very simple question, if Time Window does not matter and letting people in late not an exception, why it is there?

I am asking one very simple question, If Park Hours does not matter and letting people in (stores) late not an exception, why is it (park close time) there?

I fully expect you to not answer, even though doc's answered your question about a billion times.

 

[going/again]

So are you suggesting that you ain't got it -- or that you just never had it? It's gotta be one or the other, right?

 

[going/again]

Try sucrifising chickens, and eventually you'll be vendicated.

Now thats just sad stooping to that level.

 

[KellyNY]

I am asking one very simple question, If Park Hours does not matter and letting people in (stores) late not an exception, why is it (park close time) there?

I fully expect you to not answer, even though doc's answered your question about a billion times.

And I already explained that we can use any number of analogies here both Disney and non Disney related and none of them will actually answer FP question. I understand your intention to redirect attention but as I said, FP question remains regardless of your or my analogies.

 

[maxiesmom]

"Its the song that never ends...It goes on and on my friends."

I need to stop reading this thread, it is making my eyes hurt. Instead, I will just jump into the fray.

Am I the only one who lurks over on the CM discussion board? It can be pretty eye-opening. They seem to agree that letting people use FPs past their given time window was meant to help out people who truly had issues, and it was not meant to be a free for all to return any time. It sounds like they just got sick of all the crying and complaining and started to just let people use them anytime. Instead of having to listen to them whine.

It is more and more as if Disney is just trying to go back to having guests use the FPs as they intended them to be used.

 

[doconeill]

"Its the song that never ends...It goes on and on my friends."

I need to stop reading this thread, it is making my eyes hurt. Instead, I will just jump into the fray.

Am I the only one who lurks over on the CM discussion board? It can be pretty eye-opening. They seem to agree that letting people use FPs past their given time window was meant to help out people who truly had issues, and it was not meant to be a free for all to return any time. It sounds like they just got sick of all the crying and complaining and started to just let people use them anytime. Instead of having to listen to them whine.

It is more and more as if Disney is just trying to go back to having guests use the FPs as they intended them to be used.

How are you able to lurk on the CM forum? Only CMs seem to be allowed there.

 

[mesaboy2]

And I already explained that we can use any number of analogies here both Disney and non Disney related and none of them will actually answer FP question. I understand your intention to redirect attention but as I said, FP question remains regardless of your or my analogies.

The point I am trying to hammer home is one that I think most everybody in this thread understands: you are so beholden to a printed return time on a piece of paper making the difference between angel or demon. But you do not want to apply that same distinction to another printed time--a park closing time.

The answer is obvious to me: you have stayed after park close to do additional things and because admitting to that would knock the feet out from under your tiresome, one-note, return-time argument.

I'll anticipate your next response and answer it now with a .

 

[Huff]

To me the issue of allowing late returns or not should be decided based on what the paying guests prefers. To Disney its what will increase revenues the most. Thats a balance between pleasing all guests to sell more tickets and selling more on-site rooms because of FP/X-Pass perks etc.

 

[sweet angel]

There is NOTHING Disney could do to please ALL guests.

This thread makes my head hurt. I'm really surprised there haven't points or warning issued. I've seen people banned for much less than some of the comments on this thread.

Sad, really...considering we're all adults. Actually, I apologize. That is my ASSUMPTION.