Fast Pass Plus to be sold for Headliner Expansion.

[jade1]

No not the system-but as future "pay to play" expansions.

This where I think/hope FP+ is headed.

Really just getting the idea on here, as I posted 10 years ago, they should let you obtain FP from your hotel-then 9 months later WDW patented a system that allows you to obtain FP from your hotel. Obviously they super expanded that with all the iphone and home pc advancements. Regardless it was stupid to have to go into the park and all the way to the attraction for a possible FP and acceptable return time.

But now, the only real complaint IMO about FP+ is-there are not enough FP+'s to go around, 3 is not enough etc.

Anyway-the suggestion is:

WDW would have a new revenue stream to create new headliners, if they have the FP+ to sell for those headliners.

So they take 1/2 of the attractions capacity and leave it as standby, then sell 1/2 as FP+.

So if it is similar to Space Mountain, then 1/2 would have capacity for 1,200 per hour or 14,400 per 12 hour day (each side) or 5,256,000 riders per year.

5 Million Fast Pass+'s per year-per new headliner.

From there, it's just a matter of fast the desired ROI.

At $10 per FP+ that's $50 million per year. 2 years for a $100 million ride. 4 years at $5 per FP+.

Or at $5 per FP+, 5 years will build a $250 million dollar attraction. $10 would build one for $500 million (can you say Lord of the Rings).

After the attraction is paid for-WDW can revert back to a no charge FP+ for that attraction-and now has an additional 5 million FP+'s to offer to guests.

SB riders would have no reason to complain as the attraction itself would not be there if not for the FP+ riders.

Now to be honest-if WDW want's to expand and not charge-well yea I will vote for that of course. But even 7DMT and Pandora will not add a lot or very fast.

 

[Laketravis]

I hope you're wrong, but you're probably right.

Summarizing recent posts:

I don't think it would be as transparent as $X for an additional FP.

Think DAC (Disney ATTRACTION Club) that follows the DVC model and now you have you clients basically paying your construction and maintenance costs in return for X number of guaranteed rides per year.

And ultimately, like the DVC, a secondary market develops whereby DAC members sell their "points" to others so they too can ride TSM without a wait.

Whooooa! Bogles the mind..........

 

[jade1]

I hope you're wrong, but you're probably right.

Summarizing recent posts:

I don't think it would be as transparent as $X for an additional FP.

Think DAC (Disney ATTRACTION Club) that follows the DVC model and now you have you clients basically paying your construction and maintenance costs in return for X number of guaranteed rides per year.

And ultimately, like the DVC, a secondary market develops whereby DAC members sell their "points" to others so they too can ride TSM without a wait.

Whooooa! Bogles the mind..........

Not super sure what you all meant there, but my vision is-you go to the FP+ app, you can pick the 3 as it is now, but there is a "new attraction" that now shows up, let's just say it's 7DMT just for an easy example.

You can "purchase" a FP+ for 7DMT for $5, in "addition" to your regular 3. Or you can ride 7DMT SB-no FP+ for it without paying.

Obviously 7DMT is a bad example currently-as it's in the system and folks are counting on it already for future visits.

But if WDW announced a new Lord of Rings castle coaster, but it was being built as "pay for play" or SB only-then that would be the expectation IMO. When paid off-it can be offered as a 4th FP+.

Again-if WDW will build for free-great. But as mentioned many times-they do not have many expansion plans for WDW attractions.

Maybe it's only 99 cents or $2.99 and you can pick 3 "free".

Like this example:

 

[andyman8]

Your prediction seems pretty close to the folks within the co. that I've talked to but maybe not quite as aggressive expansions. At this point, there shouldn't be any doubt in anyone's minds that additional FP+s will, at some point, be available for purchase and/or be obtainable by staying onsite at Disney Resort Hotels. In fact, with the final removal of FP next week, we should start seeing something like this in testing sooner rather than later.

 

[Laketravis]

Not super sure what you all meant there

Disney thinks in much bigger numbers.

Let's say $10,000 (and $500 a year maintenance which might even include an AP?) gets you 100 points a year.

You can use those points on certain attractions for FP access. For life.

Disney uses the $10,000 to build another attraction and sell more points.

Hence, DAC, the "Disney Attraction Club". And it's based on the already proven DVC model.

I know, it's way out there - but so were you 10 years ago

You're illustrating one extreme (lower priced point of sale) and I'm illustrating the other extreme (higher priced for contract).

 

[jade1]

Disney thinks in much bigger numbers.

Let's say $10,000 (and $500 a year maintenance which might even include an AP?) gets you 100 points a year.

You can use those points on certain attractions for FP access. For life.

Disney uses the $10,000 to build another attraction and sell more points.

Hence, DAC, the "Disney Attraction Club". And it's based on the already proven DVC model.

I know, it's way out there - but so were you 10 years ago

You're illustrating one extreme (lower priced point of sale) and I'm illustrating the other extreme (higher priced for contract).

Cool-seems basically exactly the same just a greater investment on the individual up front and not as spread over the masses like you say.

 

[jade1]

So to translate your scenario to FP+.

I'm picturing say 100 ponts.

The app shows "points" for every attraction.

Non members get say 20 points free.

Each attraction is 5 points.

Non members get 4 attractions, members with 100 points get 20, members with 200 points get 40 etc.

 

[Laketravis]

So to translate your scenario to FP+.

I'm picturing say 100 ponts.

The app shows "points" for every attraction.

Non members get say 20 points free.

Each attraction is 5 points.

Non members get 4 attractions, members with 100 points get 20, members with 200 points get 40 etc.

Exactly. Disney would play with the numbers in order to provide the greatest illusion of value, but it would work like that.

And then the secondary market develops - DAC members who sell their points to other guests. Assuming the FP model would support someone else using your points, of course.

From Disney's perspective, they can't build enough DVC resorts. How could anybody blame them when their customers are essentially paying all of the construction costs for a resource Disney gets to sell to other guests as well?

And then charges an annual membership/maintenance fee to cover the triple net.

It's brilliant. And maybe somebody at Disney has also figured out how to take advantage of all the work IT has done with the FP system and monetize that by packaging it up, selling long term contracts, and using the proceeds to build even more resources to sell more long term contracts for ......

Those Disney bean counters, they're so smart

 

[jade1]

Exactly. Disney would play with the numbers in order to provide the greatest illusion of value, but it would work like that.

And then the secondary market develops - DAC members who sell their points to other guests. Assuming the FP model would support someone else using your points, of course.

From Disney's perspective, they can't build enough DVC resorts. How could anybody blame them when their customers are essentially paying all of the construction costs for a resource Disney gets to sell to other guests as well?

And then charges an annual membership/maintenance fee to cover the triple net.

It's brilliant. And maybe somebody at Disney has also figured out how to take advantage of all the work IT has done with the FP system and monetize that by packaging it up, selling long term contracts, and using the proceeds to build even more resources to sell more long term contracts for ......

Those Disney bean counters, they're so smart

Yep, many people criticized the $100 plus billion investment. But going forward the options appear unlimited.

I like it, I'm good with either program.

They can't claim there isn't any money to invest in new attractions, and anybody that want's to schedule more than 3FP+'s will get that opportunity.