Extra Magic Hours Still Exist

[Angel Ariel]

Gi-Tar Dan was cut. Four for a Dollar was cut. The third hour of Evening EMH was cut. There being one Morning MK EMH each week in April just like the three previous and four following months (and as was originally scheduled in April 2015) isn't a cut.

No one is arguing that April is seeing a cut in EMH compared to the previous three months or four following months.

 

[DebbieB]

I think his point is that your position on this is so off base that no one can believe you honestly think this, that instead you are just arguing the point for the purposes of arguing. We are 240 posts in, and not a single person has agreed with you.

As I said before, you are welcome to call it what you want a "non-addition", just like you can say my grass is red if you like, but that doesn't make it true, and the rest of us will just call it what it is: a reduction in EMHs.

It doesn't matter when they are added/scheduled etc, last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before, there were more, this year, there are fewer. There has been a reduction. End.

I agree with her. I quit responding because I felt like I was banging my head against the wall. I agree, there's a reduction in March/April due to less additional EMH around Easter. But I don't agree that it's a sign of the end of EMH. I would like to see a comparison of May when the schedule historically goes back to one morning per week.

With over 39,000 posts, I doubt Katie is a troll. You on the other hand with only 363.....

 

[Angel Ariel]

I agree with her. I quit responding because I felt like I was banging my head against the wall. I agree, there's a reduction in March/April due to less additional EMH around Easter. But I don't agree that it's a sign of the end of EMH. I would like to see a comparison of May when the schedule historically goes back to one morning per week.

With over 39,000 posts, I doubt Katie is a troll. You on the other hand with only 363.....

I don't think anyone is saying it's definitively the end of EMH, just that it's quite possible - especially with the decisions Disney has been making of late - that it *could* be a test to see if they *can* get rid of EMH in the future.

According to sources, Shanghai is at *least* 800 million dollars over budget, and that the American parks are having to make significant cuts to lessen the financial impact of that. MyMagic+ was also over a billion dollars (or over 2 billion, depending on the source) over budget. These are significant, and I do think they are directly related to the increase in these kinds of events that Disney is trying to start (like the evening extra hours package and morning package being discussed here). If the events do sell well, and just one quarter of cuts (the current rumor) is not enough to cover the cost, I can absolutely see them continuing to reduce EMH offerings so that they can get more of these paid events in.

Note..these are all *ifs*, and I'm certainly not stating this as fact in any way. But I can absolutely see it as *possible*.

 

[DebbieB]

She is arguing there hasn't been a reduction - you don't agree with her then.

Yes, they did not do the additional days around Easter. But not overall. Let's see a comparison of May.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Yes, they did not do the additional days around Easter. But not overall. Let's see a comparison of May.

Overall since what comparison date? I will freely admit I don't have specific numbers at the moment (would be happy to look), but I feel there are less EMH overall than there were when DH and I first started coming to WDW together (not even counting that evening EMH hours were reduced from 3 hours to 2 hours in (IIRC) 2014).

 

[Delirium]

Claiming it's not a reduction sounds like a position the Disney Marketing Department would take when discussing this topic.

 

[DebbieB]

We aren't arguing if there has been a reduction in May, we are arguing about March / April - she is insistent there has not been a reduction in March/April. You appear to disagree. I have yet to see someone agree.

The title of this thread is Extra Magic Hours Still Exist. And they do. Easter is past for this year, what matters is going forward. Going forward, they have the historical 1 EMH per week scheduled. Since there is no peak holiday in May, it would be a fair comparison. I don't know, you may find that they have been reduced to support your argument. I have typically gone to WDW in the spring (late April or May) or in the fall. As long as I can remember there was 1 morning EMH and one evening EMH per park per week (except evening AK). That hasn't changed.

 

[dfb]

Gi-Tar Dan was cut. Four for a Dollar was cut. The third hour of Evening EMH was cut. There being one Morning MK EMH each week in April just like the three previous and four following months (and as was originally scheduled in April 2015) isn't a cut.

Obviously Gi-Tar Dan was cut and yes I was being flippant with that example based on some of the other examples given in previous post. Your argument about EMH has been proven/disproven many times previously depending on what post you want to believe. I really don't care (although I really did care about the Gi-Tar Dan cut), my experience has been a reduction of hours and EMH. That being the standard or fluke I don't know. I didn't consult any pre schedules or post schedules other than my own. You think EMH hasn't been effected, I do. Simple.

 

[DebbieB]

The title of this thread is Extra Magic Hours Still Exist. They still do, at the usual non-peak rate of 1 morning and 1 evening EMH per week (except AK). No evidence that is changing.

 

[dfb]

1. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
It's regrettable that you think it's possible my maintaining and defending my opinion is any kind of attempt to cause disruption.
2. Ideally you're being facetious because (a) a Disney Executive wouldn't be posting anonymously or at all - and certainly not for over ten years on such disparate topics.
3. If this were so, which it's not, you do realize you've just referred to almost everyone who's nit me as a sign post, right?

This post was not directed at you, at least not totally to you. This was more of a joke to my kids, as they were at the time giving me crap about being on the disboards. I understand your post as this post came after the post where I quoted you but again not directed to you. No "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" this time.

1. I don't believe you are a troll. Although you could be, that was not my thought. Many others on this thread and other threds have taken a similar stance as you!
2. I don't believe you are a Disney Exec. Yet I don't understand why you said a Disney exec wouldn't post here? I see no reason at all why a Disney exec wouldn't post here. I've seen numerous post (not necessarily yours) where I suspected that it was a plant. (exec or not)
3. I know you are not one of my kids! This was the main reason I posted to give them a hard time about giving me a hard time.

We disagree. I'm not changing your mind your not changing mine. It's OK.

 

[Angel Ariel]

The title of this thread is Extra Magic Hours Still Exist. And they do. Easter is past for this year, what matters is going forward. Going forward, they have the historical 1 EMH per week scheduled. Since there is no peak holiday in May, it would be a fair comparison. I don't know, you may find that they have been reduced to support your argument. I have typically gone to WDW in the spring (late April or May) or in the fall. As long as I can remember there was 1 morning EMH and one evening EMH per park per week (except evening AK). That hasn't changed.

The historical 1 EMH per week has not always been that.

I just went back and checked the week of our honeymoon in July 2006. It was *not* a holiday week (end of the month).

In 2006 there were 14 EMH total that week (Tues-Tues). Here's the breakdown:

MK AM EMH: 2
MK Evening EMH: 2

AK AM EMH: 2
AK PM EMH: 1

Epcot AM EMH: 1
Epcot PM EMH: 3

DHS AM EMH: 2
DHS PM EMH: 1

There were both AM *and* PM EMH offerings on the same day for 6 of those 8 days. The only single EMH days were Tuesday the 25th (Epcot PM EMH) and Saturday the 29th (AK AM EMH).

In 2015 there were 9 EMH total during that week (the equivalent Tues-Tues for 2015). Still not a holiday week.

MK AM EMH: 1
MK PM EMH: 1

AK AM EMH: 2
AK PM EMH: 0

Epcot AM EMH: 2
Epcot PM EMH: 1

DHS AM EMH: 1
DHS PM EMH: 1

There were both AM *and* PM EMH offerings on the same day for just 1 out of those 8 days - Saturday, July 25th.


Yes, it's just 1 week. I chose one week specifically because I was personally there at that time, no other reason. I'm sure someone can take the time to compare the entire month of July 2006 to the entire month of July 2015. But I also briefly looked at the week prior in 2006, and there were 14 EMH that week as well (still not a holiday week). There were also only 9 EMH in that same week prior in 2015. The pattern of most days in 2006 having an AM *and* a PM EMH while 2015 only had 1 day w/both AM and PM EMH also held true for that previous week.

There has, quite clearly, been a significant cut in EMH since 10 years ago.

Source for the EMH info is the Touring Plans free crowd calendar

 

[Robo]

I love the "Lights of Winter."







What?!?!




Never mind.

 

[jade1]

I have typically gone to WDW in the spring (late April or May) or in the fall. As long as I can remember there was 1 morning EMH and one evening EMH per park per week (except evening AK). That hasn't changed.

Somebody will eventually do a spread sheet on here, until then its pretty hard to tell exactly, but pretty sure its gone down somewhat anyway. We usually travel peak so its not really relevant to me.

I would suspect Easter can change things in Mar/April somewhat.

I did notice 2007 May was 35 EMH and this year its 33.

 

[RobDoc]

Please, the arguing and attacks must stop. A number of posts have already been removed for those two reasons.

 

[wisblue]

Without taking the time to go back and look at several years of park hours, I know from our visits that for several years there were typically 2 AM EMH each week, and I recall that they were usually on Tuesdays and Thursdays. A few years ago that was dropped to a norm of 1 per week, where it has remained, though the day of the week has been altered once or twice. Now Friday is the usual day.

The daily AM EMH at peak holiday times have been offered for a few years, but it wasn't always that way, at least not at Easter. But, this year is the first time in the last 3 or 4 years or so that there have not been daily AM EMH at the MK the week before and after Easter.

So, obviously there has been a reduction in AM EMH at MK in 2016 compared to the last few years, and those Easter hours account for the vast majority (if not all) of the difference. It remains to be seen if the Easter reduction, along with the addition of the paid events on days which otherwise would not have AM EMH, signals an eventual reduction or elimination of the once a week AM EMH at MK at other than peak times. But, unless Disney suddenly removes AM EMH that have already appeared on the released schedules, that change isn't happening for at least 6 months.

 

[JimmyV]

Gi-Tar Dan was cut. Four for a Dollar was cut. The third hour of Evening EMH was cut. There being one Morning MK EMH each week in April just like the three previous and four following months (and as was originally scheduled in April 2015) isn't a cut.

With respect to Four for a Dollar, they were not the original opening act for Beauty and the Beast. In fact, I don't recall that there was an opening act. They were added at a later date and then later removed. So the lines blur as to when something is a non-addition and when it is a cut. I am not arguing with you or attacking you. I am simply pointing out that sometimes definitions are difficult to nail down.

 

[Robo]

With respect to Four for a Dollar, they were not the original opening act for Beauty and the Beast. In fact, I don't recall that there was an opening act. They were added at a later date and then later removed. So the lines blur as to when something is a non-addition and when it is a cut. I am not arguing with you or attacking you. I am simply pointing out that sometimes definitions are difficult to nail down.

OK, if we're going THERE...

Shall we start making a list of things that were not at WDW on opening day in 1971, and then not count them as cuts if Disney axes them?

 

[Mikie]

OK, if we're going THERE...

Shall we start making a list of things that were not at WDW on opening day in 1971, and then not count them as cuts if Disney axes them?

I don't know. . . Still a little hazy. . . I mean now is Mr. Toad a "cut"or an "update?"

 

[JimmyV]

OK, if we're going THERE...

Shall we start making a list of things that were not at WDW on opening day in 1971, and then not count them as cuts if Disney axes them?

You have hit on exactly why parsing out a "cut" from a "non-addition" is a linguistic futility. If one is going to stake out ground that maintains that the removal of something that was "added" is not a cut, then the only limit is that which existed on opening day.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I don't know. . . Still a little hazy. . . I mean now is Mr. Toad a "cut"or an "update?"

Maybe, it's an "enhancement"?