express pass and front of the line?

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What is the difference between buying an express pass and the front of the line privilege if you stay on property.

(unrelated note: I HATE the express pass concept. It incentivizes the park operators to ensure the lines are long enough to make the extra charge "worth while". Really consumers who buy it are acting against their best long term interests. )
 
What is the difference between buying an express pass and the front of the line privilege if you stay on property.

(unrelated note: I HATE the express pass concept. It incentivizes the park operators to ensure the lines are long enough to make the extra charge "worth while". Really consumers who buy it are acting against their best long term interests. )

there is no front of the line for the regular guests.
(I believe it is the MAW children that get the priority of no line waits.)

onsite hotel guests receive a few perks.
one which is free unlimited usage of the express lines in the parks.


front of the line is a phrase that newbies have used to describe the express passes.


i enjoy the system for onsite hotel guests.
no complaints from me on that subject.





 
You can purchase a variety of express passes at different prices from one ride per ride to unlimited.

If you stay onsite you get unlimited express passes included in your room, like mac said, for the day you check in and the day you check out. It isn't part of a package, it is just a perk that every person who stays at one of the three onsite hotels receives. They also receive early admission each day to both parks where a few rides are open (Wizarding World and Despicable Me + Rip Ride Rockit.)

The only Front of the Line is for VIP tours and MAW.


http://www.universalorlando.com/Hotels/Three-World-Class-Hotels.aspx
 

from our few trips there (1 being on site), the express pass that you pay for is good for one trip each ride. For me, not a big enough perk to pay for. that it an individual decision.

If you stay onsite (or buy the VIP pass, which we have done) includes unlimited times per ride. So you can, and my kids have, go on the Mummy (or any other express pass eligible ride) over and over....


For us, there is BIG difference between onsite/VIP than the express pass for the day. We like the fact Universal offers it very much and our next trip to Orlando will be a Universal onsite trip!!!
 
There is no such thing as a "Front of the Line" pass at Universal Orlando. That's a DIS term only.
 
There is no such thing as a "Front of the Line" pass at Universal Orlando. That's a DIS term only.
This. The only true FOTL is a VIP tour.

Or if you get really lucky and a TM brings you up the VIP path to a ride...:cool2:
 
What is the difference between buying an express pass and the front of the line privilege if you stay on property.

(unrelated note: I HATE the express pass concept. It incentivizes the park operators to ensure the lines are long enough to make the extra charge "worth while". Really consumers who buy it are acting against their best long term interests. )

I don't think the selling of Express Passes has any effect on park operation to try and have long lines. Every theme park in the world is striving for high attendance records. Universal is merely capitalizing on the fact that long lines are an inevitable part of a successful theme park.
 
Ouch! We'll if we want to compare to Disney...
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There are 2 lines regular and fast pass.

At Universal there are 2 lines...
regular and express pass....

The express pass people either have....

a card that grant them access because they are staying onsite.
bought an express pass...one time each ride
bought an express pass by buying a VIP pass or tour


So, it is very similar, but to gain access to the "special"
line you have to "buy" your way in.

Is it worth it? To me, yes, but to other no. Only you can decide!
 
(unrelated note: I HATE the express pass concept. It incentivizes the park operators to ensure the lines are long enough to make the extra charge "worth while". Really consumers who buy it are acting against their best long term interests. )

How are they ensuring lines are long? I would think the large numbers of people going to the parks do that!

(stay onsite, get the unlimited Express Pass in that way, and see how much you dislike it after that, LOL...going back to the free and clunky FastPass is painful now!)
 
How are they ensuring lines are long? I would think the large numbers of people going to the parks do that!

(stay onsite, get the unlimited Express Pass in that way, and see how much you dislike it after that, LOL...going back to the free and clunky FastPass is painful now!)

:thumbsup2 truer words were never spoken. esp since they started enforcing the return times!
 
How are they ensuring lines are long? I would think the large numbers of people going to the parks do that!

(stay onsite, get the unlimited Express Pass in that way, and see how much you dislike it after that, LOL...going back to the free and clunky FastPass is painful now!)

TRUE:thumbsup2 I will NEVER stay offsite at Universal as long as they offer the resort express pass
 
alright, thank you all for your helpful replies.

Now I will threadjack my own post.

So the parks that offer paid express passes Like the extra income, agreed?

Like any other product the company wants to sell as many of these as they can.

The Company can market to increase sales. This is mostly benign to the consumer.

Now if you ran the company and wanted to maximize sales of these passes, what "knobs and dials" can you turn to increase sales? Line size.

Maybe the doubters are right and the corporate managers are altruistic and wouldn't tweak line size with an eye towards sales and revenue. The incentive is there though.
 
alright, thank you all for your helpful replies.

Now I will threadjack my own post.

So the parks that offer paid express passes Like the extra income, agreed?

Like any other product the company wants to sell as many of these as they can.

The Company can market to increase sales. This is mostly benign to the consumer.

Now if you ran the company and wanted to maximize sales of these passes, what "knobs and dials" can you turn to increase sales? Line size.

Maybe the doubters are right and the corporate managers are altruistic and wouldn't tweak line size with an eye towards sales and revenue. The incentive is there though.


Incentive may be there, but there is a fine line they must walk before they screw the entire thing up. It's more a matter of balancing the "perk" with the standby lines, then a matter of intentionally increasing line size. [generally]....... At least, for the Disney and universal parks. I don't know enough about amusement/thrill type parks to give them the same benefit of the doubt.

Basically, you are looking at a basic calculation. The Ride can handle X number of guests per hour. Now you just need to decide the balance of where those guests come from... the Express line or the Regular line. You also need to factor in the perceived value of each line. If you don't balance correctly, Your Express line could be almost as slow as your Regular line..... Or to increase the speed of the Express, You end up slowing the Regular line to a virtual standstill that pisses people off more since they feel they aren't really moving at all.

Universal with their Express does a good job at this. The limit the total number of the one-time use express passes they sell.....And use the variable pricing on the passes to help manage the supply on days that might result in higher demand. (win-win.... they make more money, and also help limit the demand by forcing people to make a value judgement). The unlimted express for staying onsite is set up as well so that it doesn't break the system due to the relatively small capacity of the onsite hotels compared to the guests-per-hour capacity of the attractions in the parks. This is also why the new "Value" won't include the unlimited express.... it increases the onsite capacity too much for the system to remain viable.


In General, This is the same type of calculations Disney makes with their Fastpass system, even though it's free. They limited the supply of their free fastpasses by only allowing you to get one every couple of hours, As well as limiting the number of passes available per window. It created a "virtual line" more than doing a straight Express/Regular setup like universal. Disney has to make the same calculations though on Ride Capacity and the ratio for each method of entry. With the enforcement of the return window now, they are able to better manage that ratio by avoiding the end-of-day stacking of the Fastpass line.

I remember it's also been reported a few times by people that the impression they got was that more fastpasses seemed to be going out and the standby lines were moving slower.... possibly in prep for the next gen version of Fastpass disney is working on. In Theory, since they are able to better predict the actual number of people in the fastpass line at every given moment, they can increase the number of fastpasses handed out in every window since they spikes won't happen like they used to from out-of-window fastpass usage.
 
One thing I will add, I have been to UO numerous times where wait times were very short on virtually all of the most popular attractions. While I understand the incentive the PP mentioned, I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that they actually attempt to artificially increase wait times and lots of evidence that they do not.
 
From what I see while standing in line, there are a lot more people in the stand-by line than in the express pass line. On rides with two cars loading at the same time, express line gets one car and stand-by gets one car (the Mummy). On single car/sequential cars rides (Rip Ride Rocket), express gets half the car and stand-by the other half or they alternate cars by line. But, the efficiency of any method is determined by the team member loaders. That always seems to be the determining factor.
 
I read on another Universal Thread that they have Guest Cards for Special Needs ,I asked there what the criteria was , but no response!Is there such a thing as I will be travelling with 8 special need folks !!
 
I read on another Universal Thread that they have Guest Cards for Special Needs ,I asked there what the criteria was , but no response!Is there such a thing as I will be travelling with 8 special need folks !!

Since you are staying onsite, the Guest Cards won't give you much better access than you are already getting. At Disney, it would be different since you wouldn't already be getting express access for everything.

There are only a few rides that don't take express. The GAC would help you there....Forbidden Journey, Rip Ride Rockit and Pteranadon Flyers(but your group is too tall to ride that anyways and you won't have any little ones to accompany).
 
I read on another Universal Thread that they have Guest Cards for Special Needs ,I asked there what the criteria was , but no response!Is there such a thing as I will be travelling with 8 special need folks !!

You can go to Guest Services at the front of the park and explain your situation and they may give you a Guest Assistance Pass. It looks a bit like a time card. You take the pass up to the Team Member at the front of the attraction. If the line is 30 minutes or less, they let you up the Express Lane. If it is over 30 minutes, they will write you a return time that is 15 minutes less than the posted wait. You can only be given one return time at a time (meaning you can't get a return time for Spider-Man and the run over to Hulk and get one filled out there, too). When you return to the attraction, the Team Member will sign it and let you in.
 

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