Expedition Everest is Official

[King Triton]

Yes, Disney needs more cool dark rides - this will be a great addition to Animal Kingdom. I'm still upset over losing World of Motion and Horizons. Disney needs to stick to the Disney magic. Disney can do dark rides like no one else. This looks like a great combination of thrill and dark ride - Awesome!

I Love Dark Rides!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Disney for this NEW awesome ride!!!!!!!!!!

 

[YoHo]

There is no way in heck Mr. Toad's is a 2 and a half minute ride. I'd guess closer to one. and I'd also go with closer to 2.5 passengers. 2 adults and a Child. Most other fantasyland rides actually have a higher capacity.

So you're looking at I'm actually inclinded to guess more like 15 cars so sloser to 1800.

I stand humbly corrected. Althoug as I said, Mr. Toad's cars hed fewer people then most other fantasyland rides. you'd have to double that number for say Snow white or Pinochio or Alice.

 

[raidermatt]

Told you they were from an orifice...

crusader, ride time isn't relevant when determining ridership capacity. Its needed to determine how many people are on a ride at a given time, but not to determine the number who ride over a given time period.

If we are going to speculate on Toad (I forgot it has a back seat), lets say 4.5 riders per car, and a 10 second interval between cars (?). That would be 6 cars per minute, or 360 per hour. 360 cars with 4.5 riders is 1620 per hour.

If the interval is only 8 seconds, that's 2025 per hour.

If its 6 seconds, it would be 2700 per hour.


If we break down Indy, at 2400 per hour, and 16 riders per car, it means 150 cars per hour, or 2.5 per minute. Thats a 24 second interval, for reference sake.


Hey, Europa, where did you get the Indy number? Do they have any other capacities? Maybe they don't have Toad, but maybe Pan or some of the other FL dark rides? A lot of the other rides would be intersting too.

 

[raidermatt]

So it doesn't have a back seat?

 

[YoHo]

No it does not. And I would guess somewhere between 6-10 seconds is a good load and go time.

 

[YoHo]

this site
http://www.imagineering.org/tech.html

says the 2,400 number is a theoretical limit implying they've never actually pushed 2400 people through in an hour.


It also says that Pirate's capacity is 3400 guests per hour.

Can't find any Fantasyland Operation Hourly Ride Capacity numbers

 

[raidermatt]

Alright, so capacity would be more or less cut in half... 6 second interval would be 1350, 8 seconds would be 1012, and 10 would be 810.

But I'm starting to wonder a bit... is it really even 6 seconds between vehicles? I'm thinking of Pan, and it sure doesn't seem like you can note where the ship in front of you is, and count to 6 seconds before your ship reaches that point.... (Remember, unless only one vehicle is in the load process at a time, how long that process takes isn't the key... its how long it is between vehicles as they enter the attraction, since multiple vehicles are in different stages of loading at any one time).

As you noted, other dark rides that do have multiple seats would have higher capacities.

I'm still curious about the 2400 number for Indy, and whether that takes into account the practical delays that result from its more stringent safety issues.

Also, rides like SE, HM and Pirates either have larger vehicles, or vehicles that enter at a faster rate, making their capacities much larger.

ADDED IN EDIT: Posted before I saw YoHo's post with the link...

 

[raidermatt]

Thanks for the link, YoHo.

The 2400 is definitely based on the optimum situation... It lists a cycle time of 4 1/2 minutes, which is 13.33 cycles per hour. Multiplied by 15 vehicles, times 12 riders per vehicle (not 16), it comes out to 2400 per hour.

Practical capacity would be something less than that.

 

[EUROPA]

Well considering that HM ride capacity is 2,618 per hour...I doubt that Mr Toad would be higher.

 

[raidermatt]

Very true, Europa... HM's optimal capacity must be higher than Toad's.

Where are you getting your capacities? I didn't see a capacity for HM at the link YoHo provided?

 

[EUROPA]

Here is one..
http://www.disneylandian.com/faqs/hauntedmansion.html

I've seen close the same number of a couple of other sites...I've also seen as high as 3,300...


160 DoomBuggies

2-3 Guest

7-8 minutes

Gets you in that range.

 

[raidermatt]

If the data is right, that seems reasonable.

160 cars, with an 8 minute cycle, and 2.25 per car would be 2700 per hour.

Toad would be something less than that, as I'm sure its vehicles have a greater time interval between them than HM. Multiple seat vehicles would be a different story, though, as would those with shorter intervals, like SE.

 

[hopemax]

On the Hidden Mickey's site, under the "Fun Facts" Section, at the bottom of the ride pages it lists a lot of stats like ride lengths, track lengths, number of AA's, number of vehicles, cycle times and capacities. But it doesn't list the info for the Fantasyland rides.

For DL:
Indy is listed at 2400, Jungle Cruise 1800, Pirates 3400, HM: 2618, Splash 1757 (based on 251 logs per hour, 7 people per log)

Intercot has info for Epcot, I think they pulled their info from the Facts & Figures pamplets they used to hand out in the park.

Another way you can get an idea on capacities is from the Unofficial Guide. They have an "average wait in line per 100 people in front of you" stat. It's not very concrete, but it does provide some relative comparison. For example, the average time for 100 people to move on Indy is 3 minutes, it's 9 minutes for Mr. Toad.

 

[crusader]

crusader, ride time isn't relevant when determining ridership capacity

Isn't this the interval cycle?

Thanks YoHo for clarifying the data - it's been awhile and I had forgotton how Mr. Toad was designed.

Now that we have all this great data we should compare the two main attractions Mr. Kidds referenced: Pooh vs RnRC.

I believe we were attempting to decipher popularity and rider preference in consideration of the thrill factor?

Do we have the capacity for Pooh?

 

[All Aboard]

Again, from the cheap seats:

Ride time, number of cars, speed, track length can all be used in many combinations to determine attraction capacity. But, in the end all you really need are two variables:

1. Vehicle Capacity
2. Dispatch Interval

With those, you can accurately calculate an attraction's capacity.

 

[hopemax]

I found DL's Mr. Toad data, E-Ticket Magazine Issue #20

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Mr. Toad's Wild Ride was designed to last 1 minute and 38 seconds, a pace to accomodate nearly 700 people an hour. There was a total of twelve Toad cars, with nine on line (entering every eleven seconds) and three held in reserve, and these are virtually the same cars in use today. Bob Gurr told us, "I often tell the ride operations people down there not to touch the equipment in the Mr. Toad ride ... they're the only original parts left in Disneyland."

***

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by gcurling
Again, from the cheap seats:

Ride time, number of cars, speed, track length can all be used in many combinations to determine attraction capacity. But, in the end all you really need are two variables:

1. Vehicle Capacity
2. Dispatch Interval

With those, you can accurately calculate an attraction's capacity.

I think you may need a little more info...for example solve the following problem.

2 People per vehicle
ever 10 seconds

What is the rides capacity per hour?

 

[Douglas Dubh]

720 people per hour.

At an interval of 10 seconds, that means 6 vehicles are dispatched every minute, or 360 vehicles every hour (6X60). Times 2 people per vehicle.

 

[EUROPA]

Just seems like somehting is missing..but your math is correct.

 

[All Aboard]

As Douglas demonstrated, that's all you really need. I know it seems too simple. But, that calculation will show how many guests can be LOADED in an hour. The length (in time) of the attraction will pepper the equation just a bit. In the example Europa gave (asuming that it is a 3 minute attraction), 720 guests get COMLETELY through it in 1 hour and 3 minutes. But, the attraction capacity would be considered 720 per hour.