Evolution/Creation

[BabyPiglet]

You didn't ask me but I will say that science isn't always right. I have faith which convinces me more than science.

Sometimes I envy people who can trust their faith so much. I'm glad that you guys can.

 

[BabyPiglet]

Ishmael? Is that the book about mythology and such? I think my highschool science teacher used to make references from it. (Assuming I'm getting the name correct, lol.)

 

[chisnpeke]

Sometimes I envy people who can trust their faith so much. I'm glad that you guys can.

I've had my doubts at times but I always come back to my faith. It's just something I have to have and it really helps me in my life. I think it's really important to question faith though and I've questioned if there is a God but I ALWAYS come back to yes there is some higher power, and mine is the Christian God.

 

[Zip-A-Dee-Lady]

Ishmael is about evolution.

 

[Disney Dork]

1. There are hundreds of thousands of creation theories, not just two.
2. Evolution happens during long long long periods of time, to help that organism survive.
3. Their hair might grow shorter because of a warmer climate, etc.
4. They learned to speak as their brains grew bigger. Ho mo sapiens, I believe (not 100% sure) is when humans started to speak.
5. They started walking upright so they could carry more food at a time.
5. They stopped foraging for food and started growing it over a long period of time. Some groups would like to re-visit the same area year after year so they would plant seeds of the food they preferred, and clear out the plants that they didn't like to make more room.
6. They started eating animals when it got easier to get them (i.e The Stone Age, where weapons matured.)
7. One theory to why they started cooking food is when a forest fire started, and groups still wanted to eat.

The "reasoning behind the whole thing" is survival of the fittest. Animals/plants have to change to survive.

It happens over millions and millions of years. There was not a monkey one day and then a fully matured human being the next. It's a process, humans are always changing.

And as far as the whole explaination of what 'NATURALLY' happened when african apes evolved into humans, try picking up a science book. It's proven fact.

I hate it when people say they don't believe in evolution when they don't really know anything about it.

I stand corrected. I had only heard of two forms of creationism, but do not doubt that there are more. And I know that evolution isn't thought to have taken place just like that. I do believe that in regards to some things, such as 'survival of the fittest', the characteristics of a certain animal can change due to other members of that species dying out. Such as the beaks of birds, that was proven with that one experiment. I do not believe that they 'evolved', however, but rather the ones that with the best suitable characteristics were able to survive and reproduce, while the others weren't.

I also find it hard to believe that one animal can completely change into a another, regardless of how much time goes by.

I have sat through several science classes and have learned about evolution. I know the whole story of how they believe we came from monkeys and how they are continuing to find bones of animals that look quite similar to us. I still remain skeptical, however, because there is little to no way for them to 100% connect those bones to our ancestors. Because the animal is dead, they can only guess at how it looked, what it did and how it acted while it was alive. Also, there is no way to prove that the bones were not just another extinct species of ape or another creature we do not know of at this point in time.

Although they may have be able to do DNA testing on the bones and living apes/monkeys to find a similarity that way, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are related to us in any way. After all, while we may share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees, we also share 50% with bananas....and I think you'd agree with me in saying that people aren't half fruit.

 

[AliceinHalloweentown]

I believe in them both.. I think they can coexist in one belief, personally.

 

[ohdisco]

Just creating conversation here,

So if you don't believe we evolved from apes, how do explain the science?

Haha, sorry, I reread that and it did sound sorta harsh. I'd been up since 7:30 and hadn't eaten yet

I don't personally believe that just because we share similar DNA means that we evolved from them. Every person in the world shares 99.9 percent of their DNA with every other person inhabiting the planet. .10 percent of our DNA makes us unique in thousands of different ways, including race, height, eye color, bone structure, diseases, etc. If .10 percent can have that dramatic of a difference, even a sliver more of separation can make one thing a completely different animal than a human. I've taken physical anthropology and there hasn't been a single scientist that has proven we have descended from apes, so I don't see that possibility as being scientifically sound.

 

[PurpleDucky]

i don't know anymore.
i'm not an atheist
i'm just confused
it makes sense that a "higher being" created the world, all this beauty just couldn't happen by chance. it doesn't make sense to me, at all.
i do believe in evolution in a minor way. like how we started to live longer and grow taller as the centuries went on. our society also evolves, but that's not what we're talking about.

 

[Sparx]

evolution is real.
but it had to start somewhere.

i think its ignorant to believe that both cannot coexist.

 

[bsc22]

Yea, Evolution is fact; I also believe that the universe itself may have been a product of evolution, especially when one takes into consideration the complexity of electronic configurations, chemical bonds -compounds-, molecules, etc.

But how does all of this contend with the concept of "God"?

Why couldn't a "God" create "the capacity" for such things to exist?

I simply don't understand how people can go by the idea of creationism, do they honestly believe that dinosaurs lived 2000 or so years ago, does the bible explain any interaction between the large lizards and humans, how did humans survive the extinction of dinosaurs(most likely by asteroid)?

There are way too many holes to simply believe in anything else EXCEPT evolution....

 

[HSMndLKfan92]

evolution is real.
but it had to start somewhere.

i think its ignorant to believe that both cannot coexist.

Do you mean it's ignorant to not personally believe that they can't coexist, or that it's ignorant to not respect the belief that both can coexist?

 

[wilmabride'sdaughter]

I think we evolved. But i cannot for the life of me, believe that we were 'created'. I know some people believe that but personnally i don't. But, yeah...

 

[BabyPiglet]

Haha, sorry, I reread that and it did sound sorta harsh. I'd been up since 7:30 and hadn't eaten yet

I don't personally believe that just because we share similar DNA means that we evolved from them. Every person in the world shares 99.9 percent of their DNA with every other person inhabiting the planet. .10 percent of our DNA makes us unique in thousands of different ways, including race, height, eye color, bone structure, diseases, etc. If .10 percent can have that dramatic of a difference, even a sliver more of separation can make one thing a completely different animal than a human. I've taken physical anthropology and there hasn't been a single scientist that has proven we have descended from apes, so I don't see that possibility as being scientifically sound.

No, I didn't think it sounded harsh at all! I like your post, it's definitely thought provoking.

Do you mean it's ignorant to not personally believe that they can't coexist, or that it's ignorant to not respect the belief that both can coexist?

I was wondering the same thing, Jaimie. I do think it's ignorant not to respect other peoples beliefs, but not ignorant if you just don't believe the same thing as other people. I personally think that...thinking that is ignorant. Get it?

Sorry, for some reason I cannot seem to put my thoughts into words.

 

[HSMndLKfan92]

I was wondering the same thing, Jaimie. I do think it's ignorant not to respect other peoples beliefs, but not ignorant if you just don't believe the same thing as other people. I personally think that...thinking that is ignorant. Get it?

Sorry, for some reason I cannot seem to put my thoughts into words.

Kind of, like it's ignorant to be closeminded on other people's beliefs.

 

[BabyPiglet]

Kind of, like it's ignorant to be closeminded on other people's beliefs.

YES! Thank you.

 

[3mtn-kate]

I am a factual person - I prefer hardcore facts rather than beliefs. Seeing is believing.

That said, I believe in both. I think God was the one who created the Universe, but I believe science took over from there and we evolved.

that makes sense to me

 

[bsc22]

I am a factual person - I prefer hardcore facts rather than beliefs. Seeing is believing.

That said, I believe in both. I think God was the one who created the Universe, but I believe science took over from there and we evolved.

Its a possibility, but Evolution could've also created the Universe as well.....

 

[air]

I believe in evolution as well as the big bang theory. It just makes more sense than a spirit creating the universe. Plus, it can be observed going on now in other galaxies.

 

[HSMndLKfan92]

Haha, sorry, I reread that and it did sound sorta harsh. I'd been up since 7:30 and hadn't eaten yet

I don't personally believe that just because we share similar DNA means that we evolved from them. Every person in the world shares 99.9 percent of their DNA with every other person inhabiting the planet. .10 percent of our DNA makes us unique in thousands of different ways, including race, height, eye color, bone structure, diseases, etc. If .10 percent can have that dramatic of a difference, even a sliver more of separation can make one thing a completely different animal than a human. I've taken physical anthropology and there hasn't been a single scientist that has proven we have descended from apes, so I don't see that possibility as being scientifically sound.

I believe DNA codes for proteins, which carry out reactions in our bodies. I think most of our DNA codes for things such as having five fingers, two hands, two arms, kidneys, a heart, veins, hair, and nails. Most of us are the same in the sense that we have the same number of chromosomes that code for the same things. (Granted, the 46th chromosome determines gender.)

Yes, we have many unique things about all of us, but we're still the same species with the same bodily characteristics. .1% of our DNA codes for thousands upon thousands of base pairs.

 

[bsc22]

I believe DNA codes for proteins, which carry out reactions in our bodies. I think most of our DNA codes for things such as having five fingers, two hands, two arms, kidneys, a heart, veins, hair, and nails. Most of us are the same in the sense that we have the same number of chromosomes that code for the same things. (Granted, the 46th chromosome determines gender.)

Yes, we have many unique things about all of us, but we're still the same species with the same bodily characteristics. .1% of our DNA codes for thousands upon thousands of base pairs.

To expand on that, We(humans) share an ape-like ancestor, not evolved from them(apes) per se. Chimps themselves have been evolving divergently with respect to humans, so this increases the genetic distance between us.

The similarities show relation more than creation/descension, they shed light to a likey divergent evolution.

E.g.

One can observe that two creatures share a similar trait (i.e. Gun Arm), we can infer that these two creatures share a common ancestor - The more degrees of similarity they share, the more closely related they are, more chances of being divergent evolution aswell.

There may exist a scenario where two completely remote creatures share the common trait(s), this increases the probability of a convergent evolution -not descended from common ancestor-.

There has been proof, though for many its inconclusive.

It also has to be said that the uncertainty concerning the phylogeny of a particular group of like creatures, doesn't reflect on the integrity of evolution itself.