Every Wish That We Put Into Motion.... (comments welcome!)

Friday: 10k day. And our 2nd lowest activity day of the trip at 14 miles covered. We slept in all the way until 2:30. Such rebels. This did end up making us miss the meetup before the race, which was a bummer. The lines for characters were shorter, which I appreciated, and DH's feet were still pretty sore so he was slower overall, and therefore easier for me to keep up with. My favorite parts of the morning was when 2 ladies ran past us and one of them looked at DH and yelled "Yo, Rugman! Give me some tassle!" and when a group of early/mid 20-something girls behind us finally realized what our costume was and were loudly like "OH! That's what their costume is! We are slow this morning!" Jasmine and Aladdin/Magic Carpet aren't exactly obscure costumes.


The HH meetup was so much fun! It was great to see "familiar" faces, and meet others that I didn't meet last year. Big thanks to drawing DH into some of the conversations....I think it really helped him to understand why this community has been so important to me over the last couple of years and that my internet-stranger-friends are pretty great. Only at those things will we get phrases like "It's ONLY 100k!" when we talk about races.

The not-so-fun part of Friday was my anxiety starting to trickle in to things. I didn't sleep great Thursday night, despite being exhausted, but managed to overcome it mostly with caffeine and actual excitement (the good kind) that morning.
 
Saturday: Saturday was a dumpster fire. I barely slept...I woke up and felt like I had been sleeping really well and surely it must be almost 2am, and when I checked my watch it was only 1030pm (so it was still Friday night.) I bailed on the pre-race meetup early so I could get settled in the corral (I wanted to be toward the front) and I was so nervous that my feet were going to be even worse; fortunately they were actually better, or my nerves in my feet had just given up. I was absolutely amazed at the number of runners still coming out the road to the corrals well after A corral was released (the road was still full!) and figured I would see a lot of bus complaints on social media, but I didn't see any? That was weird.

My goal for the morning was to stick to my 90/30 intervals and hit somewhere in the 13s for pace and try to catch up dwith The Expert between MK and the Poly. I was successful in my pacing, minus the photo stops I made for Max and the castle, which both cost me around 5min. We did manage to meet up at around mile 8 and we mostly walked in the remainder of the race, with obligatory fake-running past the Photopass people.

My "celebratory" meal for the weekend was on Saturday because I know that marathons pretty much wreck me for the remainder of the day. DH poked around Disney Springs during the morning, and then met me back at the room and we walked over to get on the walkup list for Homecomin. I managed to eat 2 pieces of french toast and about a strip and a half of bacon and drink my mimosa (the small one.)

And this is where things went bad. I took a nap, and woke up with so much anxiety it was awful. Shaky, weepy, sense of impending doom, etc. It didn't help that I also knew that I needed to be fueling/refueling for Sunday. We tried a few different things to get me out of it....went to the pool, the hot tub, to DS to shop. Nothing worked. And I felt so bad for DH because dealing with me having a very out-of-character mental meltdown was not on the approved list of vacation activities. I didn't want to drink anything (I think I managed to force around 30oz of water for the whole day) and I only managed to eat about a 1/2 cup of rice and 4 or 5 bites of chicken for dinner. Longer runs mess with my digestive system, mostly suppressing it a ton, but I thought I would be OK by dinner time. I was so scared that my foot/ankle stuff was just going to be too awful to finish the full, that my lack of eating and drinking was going to wreak havoc on Sunday, and that I would have wasted all of the training time and cost of the trip to just DNF the marathon and Dopey.

I went to bed at 6:30. I actually kind of slept OK.
 
Sunday: Let's start off by saying the hated phrase: I did it! I somehow, some way, managed to make it to the start, cross the timing mat, and finish the dang thing.

I really appreciate how supportive everyone at the meetup was, especially since it was pretty evident that I was not having the best time. Having whatever sort of internal feeling on accountability to go to the meetup (because I told strangers on the internet that I would be there) is one of the things that got me out of bed that morning. Having normal conversations around me about the race was settling, and I can't thank you all enough for reminding to just get out there and try. Walk the whole thing if I needed to. Keep nibbling on the PBJ I brought with me. I had done the training.


Sitting in the corral, there was once again a huge stream of people coming in quite late (after A corral had started, again) and merging into the back of C corral as my corral (D) was walking toward the start line. It was odd to see so many people had timed it so poorly getting out to the corrals (although seeing all of the sm posts about OMG IT WAS 2 MILES TO THE CORRALS?! was interesting since that had been discussed at length in the weeks leading up.)
Game plan for this race was this: 60/30 intervals and 13s for pacing through MK. I figured I could catch up with @The Expert again by this point, especially since she had her costume change to do. I felt like garbage. I knew I would be tired and fatigued, but 36-48 hours of my body dumping off whatever chemicals and adrenaline, plus my lack of food and liquids on Saturday was definitely making its presence known. So I decided to see if I could just fuel through it. I drank most of a caffeinated liquid IV when they started releasing racers. I ate my first pack of gummies at mile 1. Ate a Huma at mile 4. Water and powerade at every aid station. Continued fueling every 3 miles for pretty much the whole race, which is more than I do in training (usually one an hour or 4 miles.) I checked in with The Expert at around mile 5 to see if I was gaining on her since her chip didn't come through on tracking at the start, and switched to 45/30 intervals a little before the TTC because 60s were pushing me more than I wanted to so early in the day. Looking at my splits you can definitely see where the caffeine kicked in and the course widened to multiple lanes.

I managed to find a bathroom in a certain park that had ONE other person in it (who followed me) which was amazing and seriously saved like 5min of waiting in line.

And then, at the tunnel bathrooms into Adventureland, I caught up with my marathon running buddy and the day got so, so, so much better. We kept our 45/30 intervals until around Bear Island Rd, and then inverted them to 30/45. We talked about maybe doing 45/120, but decided against it since we both have a tendency to overstride when we walk briskly. The miles flew by, and we were into AK before we knew it! I stopped to take my capris off (I wore my shorts over them, and my skirt over both) and hung them off the back of my SPIbelt since it was definitely getting warm out, and we briefly discussed if we wanted to stop at EE or just keep going. I decided that if I sat down with my ankle in the condition it was that weekend, that I would have a lot of difficulty starting again, so we just kept moving.

I stopped for vaseline at the med tent exiting AK, and they also handed both of us bags of ice, which felt sooooo good. Sponges were handed out again on that right turn after AK on to Western Way. There was no dedicated ice handout spot while we were on course this year, but the med tent where we entered HS had a bunch of coolers with ice bags and they were yelling that they had lots of ice if anyone needed it.

DH was in Epcot, and planning when and where to meet me with something to cross the finish line. The original plan was an avocado marg from La Cava, but after all of the sugar and gu, I was pretty sure that I wouldn't be able to actually drink it, and also that I would be drunk by the time I got to bag check. And my poor condition at the end of a marathon combined with tequila would be a bad combination. He grabbed a donut from Joffrey's and met me by the drummers at Mission Space. I don't think I've ever had a donut taste so good. I waited until we crossed the finish to start eating, and it was more than half gone by the time I got to gear check.
As expected, I was non-functional for the rest of the day. I did an epsom soak, took a nap, hobbled around the room, and by 7pm my appetite had returned enough to eat an entire pizza from the QS at Saratoga. Housekeeping came 2x to check on us, even though it was also the day they serviced our room and everything was restocked. We packed up most of our stuff because we were planning on attempting medal Monday at MK for pics before we hopped on our first plane toward home. DH commented that spending most of our day traveling was a terrible way to spend my birthday and that "next time we should just stay another night." So that's where his head is at. 🤣

Monday: we "slept in" until around 730, finished packing, and hopped on a bus to MK. Took a TON of pics (had multiple groups stop and ask to borrow the setup when I had them hanging on various railings) split a cinnamon roll and a breakfast sandwich at gaston's, rode the carousel, and got out when the park started getting really busy at around noon. Stopped for one more dole whip in springs before heading to the airport, and called it a week. My legs and feet felt shockingly good. Not in a "let's go do athletic things" way, but I'm not limping or moving like a 90 year old. BIL picked us up from the airport and dropped us off at home at about 11pm.
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Tuesday: didn't set an alarm and overslept for getting DS3 onto the school bus, so DH had to drive him. DD woke up when we got home on Monday night, and has been touching me or within arm's reach since. DH and I both feel "hungover" today. Foggy brain, tired, a little bit headachey. Planning another early bedtime tonight if DD will cooperate.


And DH says "I'm thinking 5/10/half next year." I, otoh, don't want to think about next year yet.
 
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I'm curious how you compare your Goofy experience to your Dopey this year?
 

I'm curious how you compare your Goofy experience to your Dopey this year?
Goofy was way easier. When people say that the hardest part is the 4 early wake ups they are 100% accurate. I'm a person that really needs sleep, and even with the early bedtimes and scheduling park days early on (to try to minimize impact for the "important" race days aka: Saturday and Sunday) the weird hours really got to me. If this had been my first marathon I would have had a significantly harder time mentally, but since it was my 3rd and I KNOW that I can cover the distance in the allotted time it was mostly just the fear of a DNF that was powering my struggles. Both years I had crappy sleep due to anxiety. And both years all of those negative feelings were kind of washed away by Tuesday after the races. I'm also not out there trying to go fast. I "only" want to finish. For me that meant around a 3:45 half and a 6:58 full. Those are both about an hour slower than my PRs in those distances.


That being said, I don't know if I could ever go to "Marathon Weekend" and not run the marathon.


Tangentially:
When I ran Goofy last year we were in a 1br, and had DD with us, and I was able to easily sleep in to a "normal" early wakeup time while DH ran the 5k and 10k. This year we were in studios and DH got up with me every day (he also ran the 5k and 10k), dropped me off for the half and full (I rode the busses back on these days) and then went back to the room and took a nap. He also did the tracking for me and the 3:30/7:00 pace groups and did the math for how much cushion we had so there was no "runner math" involved for this runner.
 
When people say that the hardest part is the 4 early wake ups they are 100% accurate.
This is me. By Sunday morning, the cumulative days of missing sleep really impacted my start and initial miles. I didn’t even stay up all that late but I know I didn’t have quality sleep when I did sleep. I felt like I was waking up mid sleep cycle and that on top of anxiety causes me to hesitate ever considering Dopey again. Plus, I don’t feel like it’s something I can replicate in my training to learn how to make it better.
 
This is me. By Sunday morning, the cumulative days of missing sleep really impacted my start and initial miles. I didn’t even stay up all that late but I know I didn’t have quality sleep when I did sleep. I felt like I was waking up mid sleep cycle and that on top of anxiety causes me to hesitate ever considering Dopey again. Plus, I don’t feel like it’s something I can replicate in my training to learn how to make it better.
This is kind of where I'm at right now. I think that the "Disney" factor also can't be discounted. These trips a big, require a lot of planning, and cost a lot. We have a lot invested in them aside from just the training and race day, and usually they are big trips for our families and there's a lot of mental and emotional labor that goes into trying to make the trips "amazing" and "perfect" and "memorable" and then you go and ask your body to do something pretty huge on top of all of that. (And let me saw, I would never do a Dopey trip with small kids unless I had multiple other adults along and a whole house rented.) I mean, we are making dining reservations 2 months in advance. Planning race outfits. Worrying about the weather. And while some of those are things we also do for other races, I feel like it really gets magnified during these weekends. Part of that is what makes these trips so great...the emotions of running down Main Street and then through the castle is something that I don't know I'll ever get from another race because that dang castle has been ingrained in my entire childhood and then passed down to my kids.

If you would have ever told me I could have happily dozed off in the corner of a restaurant inside Magic Kingdom on a trip with no kids I would have told you you were insane.

And I would have told you the same thing about running a marathon a few years ago. :rolleyes:
 
Great write-up and I could feel the emotional roller coaster in your words. Congrats!
THANK YOU for a training plan that fit my life and my goals that enabled me to get across all 4 start and finish lines. It was discussed at HH how many of us have you to thank for the magic of our plans that get us through these weekends and all of the other races.

(My SIL is going to try to PR a half this spring and full this fall and I'm really trying to get her to reach out to you for a training plan.)
 
It's only 2 days post-marathon, but I need to get something on the books for what's next, or it'll turn into me missing a month or more. I really want to focus on strength training (because historically that's when I'm able to lose weight) and I feel like 80 Day is probably going to be my best bet since I already have all of the stuff and am familiar with the program. That's 13 weeks long, plus an extra week for any catching up I need to do. If I started on 1/22 that gives me until May. And that seems like a really long time. Do I also run while I do this? How much? Do I run in place of any of the workouts? (Looking at you, Cardio Flow.)

Do I pick a different program? I didn't love liift4 (i'm not friends with hiit workouts), and the 21day workouts are too short IMO. Maybe 645?

I also feel like I need to maybe pick out a couple of races so I can decide what kind of training I want/need to do this year.
 
Do I also run while I do this? How much? Do I run in place of any of the workouts? (Looking at you, Cardio Flow.)

I think it's about balancing time commitments. If you have time to run and do 80DO, then it's possible to do both. Otherwise, the most practical is to balance the two together. Maybe something like run 2-3 times per week, and do 2-3 80DO workouts per week (depending on the number of days per week you want to commit to). I'd agree that the first cut on 80DO would be Cardio Flow. I'd probably also cut Cardio Core. I think Legs would be a good one to keep to help with running. So the 3rd to cut would be between AAA, TBC, and Booty. I'd probably cut Booty personally.

As for how much to run, if you run 2-3 times per week. It depends on what your run goals are, and what race distances you plan on doing. You'll have to expect that you probably won't be in as good endurance shape with the less running. But I think doing 5k/10ks are reasonable, it would get trickier with HMs on 2-3 days running. Certainly doable, but you'll have less endurance.
 
So you're suggesting either stretching the 80day and adding in run days between the workouts, or chopping some of the workouts in favor of running.


Also, I'm an idiot and just looked through the website for the North Country Trail Run 50k, and it has a 9hr limit (which is 17:25 pace.) That's in the end of August. Also, the medals are comically large....possibly around 8in x 8in large. (Traverse City Trail Run is in May, and the 50k for that has an 8hr time limit, but I don't think I want to run another big race that soon.)

But, do I *really* want to do a 50k? I don't know. It's "only" 4 more miles than I ran on Sunday (because I definitely don't run the tangents.)

Do I want to focus more on 5k and 10k distances and try to get faster? Also don't know.
 
So you're suggesting either stretching the 80day and adding in run days between the workouts, or chopping some of the workouts in favor of running.

I'm suggesting chopping some of the workouts. Don't ever do Cardio Flow workouts. This keeps the 80DO total plan at 13 weeks, but you just won't do some of the days. Obviously you won't get the full benefits of 80DO, but it'll work. I'm fairly confident one of my run throughs of 80DO was like this.

Do I want to focus more on 5k and 10k distances and try to get faster? Also don't know.

If you decide to do the 50k in late August, then you could probably do both. Do a training cycle of 80DO + focus on 5k/10k race distance (may not get faster per se though), and then a training cycle aimed towards the 50k. However, the temps may not be great for an August race, and the bulk of training would be in the summer heat. Plus, with a trail race, you'd want to get in some trail miles as well. Ideally doing some training on the actual course if it's close just to get an idea about the technical challenges of the course. Because trail race can come in a wide range of possibilities.
 
THANK YOU for a training plan that fit my life and my goals that enabled me to get across all 4 start and finish lines. It was discussed at HH how many of us have you to thank for the magic of our plans that get us through these weekends and all of the other races.

(My SIL is going to try to PR a half this spring and full this fall and I'm really trying to get her to reach out to you for a training plan.)

Missed this one, but thanks. I'm always happy to help. And your SIL knows where to find me. Even if she just wants to talk shop and seek out some advice, that's cool too. I don't have to end up writing the end product, but we can bounce ideas around.
 
If you decide to do the 50k in late August, then you could probably do both. Do a training cycle of 80DO + focus on 5k/10k race distance (may not get faster per se though), and then a training cycle aimed towards the 50k. However, the temps may not be great for an August race, and the bulk of training would be in the summer heat. Plus, with a trail race, you'd want to get in some trail miles as well. Ideally doing some training on the actual course if it's close just to get an idea about the technical challenges of the course. Because trail race can come in a wide range of possibilities.
My fall schedule is super limited because of the kids' XC schedule. We are at a meet pretty much every single weekend from September-the first weekend of Nov (W&D weekend) for state finals. That makes it really hard to get in "fall" race before the weather here can turn pretty dicey, so the heat is definitely a factor. The course is about an hour from home, so it's definitely something that could be a 'drive down and do a long run on the weekend' kind of thing. And I can ask around locally for help with trails if I end up deciding to sign up for it.


Missed this one, but thanks. I'm always happy to help. And your SIL knows where to find me. Even if she just wants to talk shop and seek out some advice, that's cool too. I don't have to end up writing the end product, but we can bounce ideas around.
I will absolutely pass this on to her.

I looked at the elevation and the 50k is almost 5,000 ft of gain. Not sure if you run a lot of hills but you need to do some training for that. I did a 50k and it was just over 4,000 ft of gain. It kicked my butt.
And this was my other concern. It's quite hilly. I have a good size hill 1/2 mile from my house that I tease my kids that they should go run in the summer, but I purposely never run on it myself during training.


And for those who are truly masochistic, they have a 2-day challenge where you can run on both Saturday AND Sunday:
half/half
half/50k
full/half
full/50k
50mi/half
50mi/50k

It sounds very exciting (JUST the 50k, NOT the 2-day thing) and the "what can I do NEXT" part of my brain likes the idea. Just not sure if the rest of me does.
 
I am happy to give you tips, but my race was hard. It was in north Georgia. The trails can be technical. Mine was both technical and vertical. I only got to trails once a week. I also hiked as much of the hard parts before the race that I could.

You can do it, but it’s a commitment. FYI mine took me 7:48 for reference.
 
I am happy to give you tips, but my race was hard. It was in north Georgia. The trails can be technical. Mine was both technical and vertical. I only got to trails once a week. I also hiked as much of the hard parts before the race that I could.

You can do it, but it’s a commitment. FYI mine took me 7:48 for reference.
That’s really good to know. I’m definitely not married to the idea by any means. I’m not at all sure where I’m at mentally on running stuff right now. As silly as it sounds, I feel like im hesitant to get faster because even if I drop 2-3min off my pace, I still won’t be “fast” (which is totally a me thing) and do I want to work that hard to still be a middle of the pack-er. Right now running is not competitive for me, it’s just a “can I do this” quest, and I’m leery of trying for speed and unlocking my usual competitive side and inadvertently sucking the enjoyment out of running.
 
I'm just gonna let you know that I have zero interest in ever doing a 50K, so you're on your own there!
I don't know WHY you have no interest in 31 miles of wooded trails, an exploding tick population, and possible 80+ degree temperatures in the middle of nowhere Northern Michigan!

And these medals! C'MON! Don't you want to have to find a place for one of these? (pic lifted from the fb page)
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