Ethics and schools

[Arielle22]

How do you find my rules, for my children offensive?

The line of "you know Catholics" was what I think she found offensive. I also find that offensive as a practicing Catholic.

Also most of the cost of a Catholic wedding isn't in the church. You might pay for the flowers for the alter and runners and organist/singer along with a donation to the church but that is it. I would guess somewhere under 1,000 depending on the flowers.

I find it odd that you are admit to being against organized religion but you will be the arbitor of how religious your daughter and future fiance will have to be in order to qualify for funding from you.

Will you be giving a test to them that they need to pass?

 

[The Mystery Machine]

The line of "you know Catholics" was what I think she found offensive. I also find that offensive as a practicing Catholic.

Also most of the cost of a Catholic wedding isn't in the church. You might pay for the flowers for the alter and runners and organist/singer along with a donation to the church but that is it. I would guess somewhere under 1,000 depending on the flowers.

I find it odd that you are admit to being against organized religion but you will be the arbitor of how religious your daughter and future fiance will have to be in order to qualify for funding from you.

Will you be giving a test to them that they need to pass?

Sorry about being offensive with the "you know Catholics".

If someone wants to get married in a church, there needs to be a connection with God in someway. I think that should be a basic criteria.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

This is what I find offensive. Most Catholics I know are much more open minded about things then you seem to be.

Yea well once you get Raymond Burke in your town, he tends to do his job. My mind is open as well as my ears now and I read the papers to what is going on in the Vatican.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

OT, but is this Brother Jed of "Brother Jed and Sister Cindy" fame? LOL, I remember heckling them in Free Speech Alley at LSU 30 years ago -- they ALWAYS rose to the bait. They must be absolutely ancient by now; they were not that young then. (Sister Cindy's repentance story back then was that she had been a "Disco Queen" until she saw the Light.)

Yes, they are one in the same. Still kicking at Mizzou.

 

[jodifla]

Yes, they are one in the same. Still kicking at Mizzou.

Oh, this is funny. I didn't realize they did a circuit. It seemed like they were always at UF!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Oh, this is funny. I didn't realize they did a circuit. It seemed like they were always at UF!

Wait a minute---is that who was on the rock?

 

[okeydokey]

I am interested in other opinions as long as they get the question. I keep getting pulled off on different tangents nor related to the original question, which is why I keep posting.
I'd like to hear, I think it is ethical because .....

Nobody gets the question because you won't say what you mean. What are you afraid of?

 

[okeydokey]

Using public funds to further a perspective, choosing sides. The original point.

Is it ethical?

oy vey

Students get all kinds of perspective at University. Some you may agree with and some you may not. Is there something wrong with that?

 

[marlynnp]

If my children are getting the education I paid for I don't care if the directors of the college like cats or not.

And I fail to understand how a person can state that their children are well-rounded individuals and have "good heads and thier own thoughts" and yet be afraid that if they are exposed to other thoughts and ideals that they will suddenly be 'brain washed'.

Critical thinkers or sheep.... you decide

 

[Mickey's Minion]

Nobody gets the question because you won't say what you mean. What are you afraid of?

 

[Aisling]

In my opinion, public universities should NOT show favor to certain ethics or ideologies. They are supposed to be unbiased as an organization. That's what the question was. If the OP had some other unwritten question that I'm not picking up on, maybe someone can share it with me.

 

[Wishing on a star]

I do. Supporting specific points of view belongs in private universities not tax-payer funded ones.

Wow.....
Almost anything that anyone says, anywhere, at any time, can be considered a point of view.... Any presentation of any kind can be considered a 'point of view'....
(just look at some threads here on the dis.... even things that seem 'common sense' to some posters are an adversarial 'point of view' to others.

So, we should BAN points of view????

Seems that everytime one hears that kind of comment, it is really only the points of view that the person does not agree with that they want to identify and censor.

OP,
ONCE AGAIN, just HOW are you alleging that a university is 'funding' any particular organization (point of view)????
I've never heard of a check or funds transfer being directed to 'a point of view'.

Until you annie up and answer that question, then there really is no answer.

IMHO, you would have to prove that a university was writing checks to some organization(s).... And, it would also have to be shown that this organization has one specific religious or political point of view that is being supported, while others who apply for the same funds are being denied, based SOLELY on point of view.

I feel that you are being less than forthcoming because you know, deep down, that if you give the details, it will not garner support for your feelings. If this is indeed a public university and public funds involved, then there should be absolutely nothing for you feel that you should hide.

 

[Aisling]

My son goes to a private catholic university. They openly promote Pro-Life, anti same-sex marriage, sexual abstinence before marriage, social conservatism and fiscal liberalism, etc etc. They're allowed to do that because it's mainly funded by private money, not by taxpayers who have no choice on where their money is going.

You misunderstand me if you think I'm saying that Points of View should be banned. That is NOT what I'm saying. If you read back, I posted about the president of Iran speaking here at a university and I feel it was the right thing to do. As vehemently opposed to his policies/ideas I am (and many of the students were), the students shouldn't be denied hearing him speak.


A public university cannot have a point of view as a private one can.

 

[Wishing on a star]

A public university cannot have a point of view as a private one can.

Ohhh, of course! That goes without saying.

I have never heard of a public ST.University which projected itself to be "Your Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Pro-Life, Pro-Choice, Republican, Democrat.. (or whatever) University.

Also, what I am pointing out is that 'point of view' is a very vague and subjective term..... Anything can be considered to be a point of view. There are as many points of view as there are human beings on the planet. I would have to be more specific and look for a clear one-sided financial support of a religious/political/racial/cultural bias. And, I tend to doubt this.

This is why I challenge to OP to give us a real example of her allegations...

Until then, I with-hold comment.
(while continuing to think that there is some issue somewhere that that does not agree with her own, that is what is bothering her)

 

[disneyjunkie]

And I fail to understand how a person can state that their children are well-rounded individuals and have "good heads and thier own thoughts" and yet be afraid that if they are exposed to other thoughts and ideals that they will suddenly be 'brain washed'.

 

[ZeitgeistDuck]

This tread feels like its one big veiled attempt to get people to come forward and say they agree with the OP without making political statements. Skirting the rules, if you will. Perhaps the OP was hoping that others had seen the same story/heard the same thing that she had and would be able to share the outrage and flirt with breaking the rules.

 

[Aisling]

Quote:
Originally Posted by marlynnp
And I fail to understand how a person can state that their children are well-rounded individuals and have "good heads and thier own thoughts" and yet be afraid that if they are exposed to other thoughts and ideals that they will suddenly be 'brain washed'.


Ok, I think I may have missed something! Seriously!

Isn't this thread about public universities should be or shouldn't be allowed to have a specific set of ethics/values?
I'm seeing a lot of responses about not being exposed to other thoughts and ideals. Is anyone really arguing that? Not being snarky, really confused!

 

[Scurvy]

In my opinion, public universities should NOT show favor to certain ethics or ideologies. They are supposed to be unbiased as an organization. That's what the question was. If the OP had some other unwritten question that I'm not picking up on, maybe someone can share it with me.

I agree with this. I'm fine with public universities bringing in speakers for one point of view as long as they also include other viewpoints as well. (Within reason, of course. I don't think they should be obligated to support illegal activities, for example, even if there is a movement promoting them.) If they appear to support only one view, I would have a problem with that.

 

[gina2000]

Boy, am I confused.

I did go to a private Catholic University but the philosophy was pretty much "anything goes" and that was in the 70s. The university funded an Arabic chair with a Middle Eastern country's contribution, hired Henry Kissinger to teach a semester, taught classes trying to prove there wasn't a God, etc., etc.

It's all good. It's thought provoking and mind bending. That's what education should be.

I don't get the distinction between public money and public schools. Learning is learning. And let's face it, no one will ever agree on basic principles and morality. For every person that believes X is right, another will believe Y is right. So whose public money is being misused....X's or Y's?

 

[Wishing on a star]

This tread feels like its one big veiled attempt to get people to come forward and say they agree with the OP without making political statements. Skirting the rules, if you will. Perhaps the OP was hoping that others had seen the same story/heard the same thing that she had and would be able to share the outrage and flirt with breaking the rules.

Since everyone here is mentioning have someone to come in and speak...

I have to say that I fail to see how having any nationally recognized figure of any persuasion to come in and speak to a group of people, who are not just students, but the general public, and people who make their own personal choice that they wish to pay to attend the event, is in any, way, shape, or form,

1.) Exclusively promoting any one point of view or ideology...

2.) Unethical...

3.) improper use of public funds... (since clearly the speaker is being compensated by those who choose to pay to attend)

3.) 'Wrong' in any way at all.

If this is what this thread is all about, I don't see any valid point at all, except that some people wish to censor any speech that does not agree with their own point of view.. and will throw around baseless accusations to justify their personal feelings.