Ethical question

[Nancyg56]

She is someone that I know through an organization that I belong to. I don't see it as tattling, although I can certainly see where someone else might. I think that people that do things like that make things more expensive for honest people, just like people who sneak their kids in who are over 10 years old at the child rate. I agree with the majority of you who say I should just avoid her from now on. Thanks for the help!

I agree that this kind of thing impacts all of us indirectly but there really is no way that you can prove this. Disney has an excellent legal team and I would have faith that they handled it as best that they could.

 

[seashoreCM]

Nobody likes a tattletale.

We need more people to get involved.

Submit a report anonymously. In addition, getting more people involved starts with the legislature, to pass laws that make it easier.

 

[marie1203]

I think you don't have enough to support that she is lying so I wouldn't say anything. I do think this is sad true of people. I used to work in a hotel and we would get sued a lot for things that shouldn't even be consider. The worst part is that is always end up in settlements, because is cheaper. I remember this case of a lady that sued us because she claim to have gotten a skin infection in the hot tub. There was no way every morning and night the hot tub are monitored and have so much bleach it kills everything, yet she got a settlement

 

[MEM]

makes me wonder.. if your friend will use the money for a return trip to disney?

Its quite possible she will be banned from Disney - it is private property, after all.

 

[GinnyEmma]

The op really has no proof that her friend is lying. That is just passing tales. If the op had seen the incident, etc. Then there is an obligation to testify or share her info.

 

[eliza61]

I wouldnt report her; but I certainly wouldnt associate with this type of person anymore. Tell her you hold your friends to a higher standard and she doesnt meet those standards.

I probably would send an anonomys (sp?) email. Sorry guys, I volunteer with the poor almost 25 hours a week and the fraud that I see going on is enough to make me pull my hair out and it is allowed to happen because everyone says the same thing. "it's none of your business, stay out of it" That's what makes me laugh when people post about all the welfare and food stamp fraud they swear they know is going on. Well if you know it's going on why don't you report it? You can make anonymous reports in every state.

Sorry, I know that sounds preachy but every one complains about waste yet no one seems to want to help fight it.

Anyway, I have told my friends (or ex friends) a time or two don't tell me about an illegal activities or unethical activities.

 

[Marionnette]

OP, I don't know who you could even report this to if you wanted to pursue it. But since you are only a witness to her private concersation and not the actual incident, I don't see how it could impact the final outcome.

Yes, it sucks that businesses and their insurance companies are more likely to settle these nuissance lawsuits than they are to fight them. And we all pay the price in the end. If this person were my *friend*, I'm not sure that we would be friends for much longer. I would have to speak my mind about her lack of moral character whenever she brought up the subject and she probably wouldn't want to have anything to do with me afterwards.

 

[Donnainnj]

I have a friend who is always out to get a buck, knows how to work the system, etc. She went on a trip down to WDW, got drunk, fell in her room and is now negotiating a settlement with WDW for almost $20,000. It's not my business, I know, but she was bragging about it to me, so I only know because of her. Would you report her to WDW, or just let it slide?

Where did she get the alcohol?
Donna

 

[cm8]

I have a friend who is always out to get a buck, knows how to work the system, etc. She went on a trip down to WDW, got drunk, fell in her room and is now negotiating a settlement with WDW for almost $20,000. It's not my business, I know, but she was bragging about it to me, so I only know because of her. Would you report her to WDW, or just let it slide?

It would be your word against hers and I can see you being called to testified and all heck breaking loose. I agree with the person who said not to let her back in your house or in your car or on the sidewalk, grass, driveway or anywhere by your home. If she is willing to do that to them no telling what she is willing to do to you

 

[jmartinez1895]

Just for laughs I ran this little story by a friend of mine who is an injury lawyer. She said that she would like to know who served her the drinks. If she was drinking on Disney property and they did not cut her off when she was legally drunk then they do share liability. She also said that if she went to the hospital and they did not note on her paper work that she was drunk then the legal team has to go by what the doctors say.

 

[McQueenofHrts]

OP, I just wanted to thank you for trying to do the right thing or, to be more specific, asking the question in the first place. It is always wonderful to know that someone wants to make a difference to make the world a better place despite not having the power/information needed to do so.

In regards to your "friend", karma will come back and bite her in the bum. It always does!

 

[LaDonna]

I say report her.......maybe if it was a minimal amount I wouldn't worry about it(maybe) but for what she is saying I'd definately say something, wether it helped Disney or not, I'd feel better knowing I'd said something. And if she is one to stretch the truth way far then it will be a good lesson for her

 

[bumbershoot]

I have a friend who is always out to get a buck, knows how to work the system, etc. She went on a trip down to WDW, got drunk, fell in her room and is now negotiating a settlement with WDW for almost $20,000. It's not my business, I know, but she was bragging about it to me, so I only know because of her. Would you report her to WDW, or just let it slide?

I'm pretty sure that one of the biggest things Disney lawyers do is make everything *confidential*. On BOTH sides of it. So if she's spilling the beans like this, wouldn't that mean she's doing something against what she's supposed to do? Disney's lawyers might want to know.

While no one likes an unethical person, no one likes a tattletale, either.

Really? I thought that whistle blowers are good.

Tattletales, if you wish to use a nursery school word, are the whiny kids who make stuff up and report EVERYTHING without thinking about whether someone would care. Adults don't like it b/c the kids bother them. But when people know of a bad thing and tell someone, that's a GOOD thing.

 

[mom to minnie&mickey]

When I see wrongdoing in life I always remember the saying
"Evil triumphs when good men do nothing"

 

[Becky2005]

DITTO! There is no way I would stay friends with someone like that. Not only due to her lack of ethics but because you could be her next victim.

That's what I was thinking...you know good & well she is just looking for a buck and it doesn't matter who she sues to get it. I would stay far, far away because if there is any chance she can get money it won't take her but a nanosecond to sue you.

 

[toesmom]

I have a friend who is always out to get a buck, knows how to work the system, etc. She went on a trip down to WDW, got drunk, fell in her room and is now negotiating a settlement with WDW for almost $20,000. It's not my business, I know, but she was bragging about it to me, so I only know because of her. Would you report her to WDW, or just let it slide?

I don't know why everyone is suggesting you do nothing. In your position, I would find address for Disney legal department and write a letter, noting the dates and circumstances as you know them.

Send it in the mail and see what happens.

It's not a mind your own business type of thing. What this acquaintance is doing is illegal/fraud and should not be tolerated.

Likely you won't get any response from Disney, but you've done your part.

And I would not associate any further with this person.

 

[Cheshire Figment]

There is an email address tips@disneyantipiracy.com which goes directly to Disney Legal. Anything sent there will get an acknowledgement and nothing else. If Disney starts an investigation they will never disclose the source of their information. Also, they will never report back the results.

 

[disneylove69]

People need to report dishonesty. Why do you think we pay more for everything (i.e., insurance, workers comp, etc....) It's people like her!!!! Most companies offer a reward if someone turns in dishonesty. She doesn't deserve the $20,000. Maybe it would teach her not to drink so much. I wouldn't even hesistate. Take the above email and go for it. Reality is she probably will get the money because it is cheaper to pay then fight I would definately take her off the Christmas card list and tell her why she won't be coming over to the house any more. GOOD LUCK!!!!!! As Jiminey Cricket says, "Let your conscience be your guide."

 

[marie1203]

I was also going to add I am sure Disney had a linked system from restaurants to hotels. Maybe with the info you give them they might be able to track if she in fact drank or not that night. They most likely we able to pull the records if she did drink in Disney property by cc records, unless she paid in cash.

 

[MerissaAndMomLoveDis]

There is an email address tips@disneyantipiracy.com which goes directly to Disney Legal. Anything sent there will get an acknowledgement and nothing else. If Disney starts an investigation they will never disclose the source of their information. Also, they will never report back the results.

I am really glad that Cheshire Figment provided this information. I too am in the camps that say "let your conscience be your guide" and "evil lurks when good men do nothing". I also think that you should know that, while I do not know Florida law and thus this should not be construed as legal advice to you, all of the states that I am familiar with the law have an exception to the ban on hearsay being allowed in the courtroom that occurs when a party to the lawsuit makes a "statement against their own interest". She has admitted to you that she lied about the reason for her accident and her case is a fraud. At least in the state where I live, you would be allowed to testify in court, or, more likely, give a pre-trial deposition that would be used in trying to dispose of the case in someway, and tell that she said that. That IS evidence, that IS proof. After that it would be up to the judge or jury if you testified at trial to decide what they believe and how much it matters to what they have to find in the case to decide for one side or the other. You do not have to be an eyewitness or have a recording of her statement. I never comment on law-related matters on these boards because of the common sense fear that someone might sue me for allegedly giving them legal advice or complain to our attorney disciplinary system, but it is hard to stand by when so many told you you have no proof. In this post I am just telling you about a rule of procedure that you can look up for yourself, please don't take this as legal advice. Cheshire Figment has given you a confidential way to make a report if that is what you choose to do, and if they contact you back to be a witness, fine, if not, you have followed your conscience.

Just my two cents.