Enforcement of 14 yr old restriction

[Tonka's Skipper]

I don't recall anyone advocating for following them into an induction session.

The whole days is mixed together and by bother the mug in the dorm, you are bothering the training.

AKK

 

[Magpie]

Well Ladies. I am not going to keep going back and forth. My points and facts are well established. You are free to do as you wish. I would only make two more points!.. What are you going to be telling your 14 year old, who by the time you get to him or her, is likely a emotional wreck?. Then what are you going to be thinking that night when you know the younger child's safety was the parents responsibility?

AKK

Realistically, I wouldn't have to tell my 14yo anything, because the likelihood of your scenario ever happening is so vanishingly small as to be nonsensical. That's a genuine "well established fact".

So, let's suppose a slightly more realistic scenario. Let's say there's a massive derailing accident on the monorail and my 8yo dies while his 14yo sibling survives. In that scenario I would comfort my 14yo, reassuring them that they were not to blame in any way and no one could have done any more to protect their younger sibling than they did. And then I'd get us all into therapy and look into whether or not a lawsuit is justified.

Even MORE realistic... my 9 and 11 year old once went to get pizza at a place five blocks away from our home. While standing in line, my 9yo (undiagnosed hypoglycemic) suddenly passed out, fell over backward and hit his head. Bystanders immediately called 911, while my 11yo, remembering what we'd roleplayed many times in the past, latched on to a friendly looking female college student. My daughter borrowed the girl's phone and called me. I ran down to the pizza place, and found her standing on the corner with her young lady, waiting for me. Meanwhile my son was in an ambulance being checked over.

My son was fine. But my daughter, a few times, expressed that she felt guilty because she saw him fall, but didn't catch him before he could hit his head. I told her, as many times as she needed to hear it, that she'd done amazingly well and had nothing to feel bad about. No one expected her to catch her brother.

So did I feel guilty for letting my kids go off alone to the pizza place? Nope! It's a reasonable thing for a 9 and 11yo to do in the middle of summer, in my neighbourhood. Did I feel any guilt because my daughter felt a little bit of "emotional pain"? Nope! I simply helped her work through it.

Life happens. We deal. That's what growing up is all about.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

What "facts" did you even mention, much less ones that are well established? The PP gave the actual statistics, which you choose to ignore. The fact born out by those is children are incredibly unlikely to be abducted by a stranger...more so now than ever

So because its unlikely, you have set your child's safety on that? You would take the risk? I would not. Seems you are the one ignoring facts.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Realistically, I wouldn't have to tell my 14yo anything, because the likelihood of your scenario ever happening is so vanishingly small as to be nonsensical. That's a genuine "well established fact".

So, let's suppose a slightly more realistic scenario. Let's say there's a massive derailing accident on the monorail and my 8yo dies while his 14yo sibling survives. In that scenario I would comfort my 14yo, reassuring them that they were not to blame in any way and no one could have done any more to protect their younger sibling than they did. And then I'd get us all into therapy and look into whether or not a lawsuit is justified.

Even MORE realistic... my 9 and 11 year old once went to get pizza at a place five blocks away from our home. While standing in line, my 9yo (undiagnosed hypoglycemic) suddenly passed out, fell over backward and hit his head. Bystanders immediately called 911, while my 11yo, remembering what we'd roleplayed many times in the past, latched on to a friendly looking female college student. My daughter borrowed the girl's phone and called me. I ran down to the pizza place, and found her standing on the corner with her young lady, waiting for me. Meanwhile my son was in an ambulance being checked over.

My son was fine. But my daughter, a few times, expressed that she felt guilty because she saw him fall, but didn't catch him before he could hit his head. I told her, as many times as she needed to hear it, that she'd done amazingly well and had nothing to feel bad about. No one expected her to catch her brother.

So did I feel guilty for letting my kids go off alone to the pizza place? Nope! It's a reasonable thing for a 9 and 11yo to do in the middle of summer, in my neighbourhood. Did I feel any guilt because my daughter felt a little bit of "emotional pain"? Nope! I simply helped her work through it.

Life happens. We deal. That's what growing up is all about.

Well you do as you see fit...........the point is this is very possible.........If you set your child's safety on that its unlikely, fine. We would not take the risk.

AKK

 

[PollyannaMom]

...a busy and confusing theme park...

Maybe this is the bit that is causing the problem. Walt Disney World is not a "confusing" place for some kids at all. Plenty of kids live nearby and go for the day with their parents often, or have been going on week-long trips there every year since they were babies. I would actually be more likely to let my kid go off on his own in a theme park he's very familiar with than I would in some other places.

 

[mjkacmom]

Well you do as you see fit...........the point is this is very possible.........If you set your child's safety on that its unlikely, fine. We would not take the risk.

AKK

http://www.snipeme.com/archive.php?year=2004&rant=strangers

 

[Hibiscus]

You may want to look at the above..............by that post, and I believe its more,100 kids are kidnapped every year.

AKK

Not from Disney World. Not in the manner you described.

Yay, a fellow Snopes-er!! Can we figure out a way to make that site required reading for using the Internet? Lol

Nah, it's much more satisfying to let them talk & then provide the link.

 

[ssreward]

So because its unlikely, you have set your child's safety on that? You would take the risk? I would not. Seems you are the one ignoring facts.

Yes, I would...there's also minuscule chance my home/family could get hit by a meteorite but I haven't built a bunker yet & still go outside. Do you know what the #1 is in childhood mortality? Accidents (mainly car) but I still drive my kids around everyday

 

[Allison]

Well Ladies. I am not going to keep going back and forth.

But you are.

 

[Hibiscus]

But you are.

Of course they are. This is the one that thinks "magic" is a quantifiable substance that will be reduced if an adult is allowed to have a cocktail at Skipper Canteen. I guess that "magic" doesn't keep kids safe, though. Pity.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Yay, a fellow Snopes-er!! Can we figure out a way to make that site required reading for using the Internet? Lol

OK....let me tell you a factual tale. My friends daughter did a 3 month study program as WDW about 15 years ago. Security issues were discussed. Their biggest fear over kidnapping was what I posted.........changing the child's appearance. What they do to fight it is to amass security personal, both in uniform and plain clothes at the entrance. They look for what type of shoes the child had on. These kidnappers usually forget to change the shoes.

So the risk is there ad burying your heads in the sand and saying it wont happen is not worth the risk.

AKK

 

[Hibiscus]

OK....let me tell you a factual tale. My friends daughter did a 3 month study program as WDW about 15 years ago. Security issues were discussed. Their biggest fear over kidnapping was what I posted.........changing the child's appearance. What they do to fight it is to amass security personal, both in uniform and plain clothes at the entrance. They look for what type of shoes the child had on. These kidnappers usually forget to change the shoes.

So the risk is there ad burying your heads in the sand and saying it wont happen is not worth the risk.

AKK

Not factual. More lies/hearsay. From the same link...

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/parental/kidnap.asp

This type of tale that has been circulating for decades, always involving the kidnapping of children from family-type public places such as amusement parks and shopping centers. A kidnapper snatches a child away from an inattentive parent, drugs it, and hustles it into a restroom; there the abductor performs a quick haircut, dye job, and clothing change on the child to conceal its identity (and sometimes to obscure its gender) and wraps it in blankets before attempting to quickly and quietly spirit the child off the premises. Meanwhile, a vigilant security force has sealed off all the exits, and the attempted kidnapping is thwarted either because the kidnapper realizes he cannot escape undetected and simply abandons his intended victim in the bathroom, or because the child's parent is monitoring the exits (in person or via security cameras) and recognizes the youngster by its distinctive shoes, which the kidnapper has neglected to change or remove.

It's an urban legend. If you really think it's true... wow. It's "scarelore." It never really happened.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

But you are.

Yes I know, some comments just need to be rebuffed with reasonable truth.

 

[Hibiscus]

Yes I know, some comments just need to be rebuffed with reasonable truth.

That's true, so we're helping by rebuffing your statements.

 

[Allison]

Yes I know, some comments just need to be rebuffed with reasonable truth.

That isn't what you are doing.

 

[Magpie]

You may want to look at the above..............by that post, and I believe its more,100 kids are kidnapped every year.

AKK

Yes, 100 (give or take) out of 73,941,848! And these will almost all consist cases where a teenager is lured away by someone who seems friendly. Homeless teens. Or any young woman is grabbed, who just happens to be under 18. Or someone who is tangentially connected to the family takes the child. The victims of serial killers such as John Wayne Gacy and Paul Bernardo fall into this category - young men and women aged 16 to 18.

Your ten year old is as safe in a Disney theme park as they are in their own bedroom. Possibly safer.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Not from Disney World. Not in the manner you described.


Nah, it's much more satisfying to let them talk & then provide the link.

Never saw that............I withdraw my points. However The story I told about Disney seciurity was true.


I do not change my feeling on whether a 14 year should be responsible for younger children at a theme park, etc.

AKK

 

[michelepa]

Other's experiences cannot give you an indication of what your children might experience as far as CM's or guests noticing them.

I don't think its worth the chance to let them go alone and a CM stop them and have a problem on your hands.

As this site shows regardless of rules all CM's do not respond the same way

Also security is getting tighter at the gate -everyone is looked at more closely now. Even if not at the gate they will pass a number of CM all different and all a possibility of stoping them especially two young children such as yours.

In fact, I'd at least give them a second look and if concerned about the situation point them out to a CM. so you not only have chance of CM noticing but guests pointing them out.

If it were me I would be so conerned that my kids might have an issue since i wasn't following the Disney rules that it would not be enjoyable or relaxing to me waiting to get a possible call for me to come get them.

What would you be doing that you couldn't be in the park with them? I could see letting them go ride a couple rides while you sat and relaxed with a drink nearby but they are very young to be that far away.

In fact on my friend's last trip the monorail broke down and they had quite a wait. Not common but it happens

 

[wilkeliza]

Funny thing you mention the shoes, I worked at the parks for almost 2 years and I can guarantee you we were never trained to look at a kids shoes. How would I possibly be able to tell Annie's princess Elsa slippers from Josie's?

The shoe thing is another part of the internet lie that gets spread every few years. In all the security and lost child talks we had that was never one of them.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Funny thing you mention the shoes, I worked at the parks for almost 2 years and I can guarantee you we were never trained to look at a kids shoes. How would I possibly be able to tell Annie's princess Elsa slippers from Josie's?

The shoe thing is another part of the internet lie that gets spread every few years. In all the security and lost child talks we had that was never one of them.

Sorry that part I am not redrawing as I saw the paperwork from Disney. This was 15 years ago.

AKK