Eight year old found hanging by hook in school bathroom.

The boys who did it to him could have been older, though. It said he was unconscious, so I don't know at what point that happened, though he said he remembers them lifting him up onto the hook. :(
If it were high school, I'd agree that kids of different ages could've been in the bathroom together . . . but elementary kids tend to go with their classes, so I don't know whether to think older boys would've been in there too. If they were part of a before-or-after-school care program, THAT would make the most sense -- kids of different ages could've been in the bathroom together then.

Of course, looking back at the article, it's a bit vague on some things. It says they tried to break his neck -- but it doesn't say whether he was hanging by his neck or by another body part. For all we know, he could've been hit in the neck and then hung up by his belt loop. Was he gagged? Were his hands tied? If not, why didn't he bang on the walls or kick his feet? That would seem to be instinctive. And whether other older kids were in the bathroom is an important question.

When articles are THIS vague, it makes me wonder if they're telling the whole story. It makes me think about a story I knew personally a few years ago: The truth was that a mentally handicapped custodian dialed a wrong number and ended up talking to a 14-year old girl. She was polite and chatted with him a minute, and he thought that was nice. So he called her again. And again. And again. At first she was polite to him, but then she got tired of it and told her father, who put a stop to that through the legal system. The guy didn't know he was doing wrong. He thought he had a girlfriend. They were never together in the same room. Not even once. The news articles, which got big press here, described the incident as an inappropriate relationship between a school employee (which makes your mind think classroom teacher) and a 14-year old girl. Did the news lie? No. He was a school employee. It was inappropriate for him to call her. She was 14. It was an "ongoing" situation. But it implied something much more sinister than was really going on.

So, what does that have to do with this story? Nothing really -- there's no doubt that someone involved here is a real scumbag because the boy was hurt badly, and it's downright scary to think that a child could be that evil already. But I don't always trust everything the media reports. They thrive on sensationalism, and being vague (so your mind'll jump to the obvious conclusions) is their bread-and-butter. So I try not to be too quick to fill in blame when all the facts aren't in.

Oh, and in the end, the custodian lost his job and was put on disability. So a handicapped man who was able to work (with supervision) and earn a small paycheck is now being supported by tax dollars. It was a lose-lose situation.
It's kind of weird for me to think that 2nd -5th graders are in the same school
We were 1-8, then 9-12.
Wow I would hate that. I think that to big of age group
I would've liked it if my girls' schools had been structured like the ones I attended. We had three buildings: One building for lower elementary grades, one for upper elementary grades, and a third which housed middle-school grades plus the library. We had one playground on the campus, which was for small kids, and the older kids walked across a small side street to the city park for recess. We shared a cafeteria and gym, but we were scheduled in such a way that we were always with similar-aged kids in those areas.

I've HATED having my kids at different schools. Different busses, two places to pick up or drop off -- for convenience sake, I'd have loved to have them on the same campus. There's always something: PTA on different days, school picture on different days. Keeping your kids together is just easier.
I heard about it the day it happened as it is in a neighboring town. Here are some of the original stories.

The first one states that he was in a handicapped stall where the hooks were lower. The second one states that the kids go in 2 to 3 at a time and when he did not answer the teacher she got the security guard.

http://www.whas11.com/home/Student-...recovering-LMPD-investigating--118582969.html

http://www.wlky.com/news/27309854/detail.html

http://www.wlky.com/news/27319471/detail.html


ETA: The school also is K thru 5.
Those are more informative than the first article, but lots of questions are still unanswered.
I thought about that too, but at that moment she had to decide what was appropriate. If she barged in to the boys bathroom and he was fine, it would be career suicide for her.
Yeah, imagine if she walked in on him and he was just trying to fix his stuck zipper. THEN the story would be about a perverted teacher who likes to see little boys with their pants down.

All teachers -- even honest, upright people who have no bad intentions -- take great care NOT to be in the student bathrooms, not to be in a classroom alone with a student with the door closed, etc. It's sad that we have to protect ourselves this way, but students can CLAIM things happened or that we did this-or-that if we aren't careful with how we behave.

And why would this teacher ever think something this horrible would happen?
The father said that he's reported bullying several times and the school did nothing about it. The school says they have no record of him reporting any bullying.
Yeah, so someone's lying, and we don't know who it is. At a glance, I wonder if the father told his son to report it to his teacher, and the son -- who didn't speak good English -- just didn't do it, thinking it was no big deal and surely it'd stop on its own anyway. I'd be willing to bet the lack of language plays into this significantly.
 
Well, this is not in our district, but it is in the same state, so whether that means something or not, who knows, but we often have fifth graders in the bathroom with second graders (not k or 1 because they're on a different hall). Teachers try not to time it like that, but it happens every day.

Who knows. I'd love to hear more details. Honestly it's surprising to me that it hasn't got more coverage.
 
What a tragic incident! I remember years ago seeing an episode of the show with "Tim the Tool Man" where they showed the two older brothers doing this to the younger brother. It was portrayed as a harmless prank. My first thought was that someone was going to get killed immitating this.

I didn't think there was enough info in the articles to tell what happened. It even sort of gives the impression that the hook was low enough for speculation that he could have gotten his collar caught? I sort of assume it was a bullying "prank" by a bunch of kids that are too young to understand the full consequences of what they were doing. Tragic all the way around.
 
That's if there were no other boys in there.
Now that's something that hadn't crossed my mind. What if someone was already in the bathroom when the little kids went in? But, no, that couldn't be. Wouldn't the other kids have said, "Two big kids were in there when we went in" or wouldn't the teacher have seen the kids leave the restroom?
I have to believe that they already have a very good idea who did this (if they don't actually know for sure).
Sounds very likely, but even if they had hard and fast evidence they'd still not tell the general public and still would call the boys in question "suspects" because they'd be innocent until proven guilty.

The guilty have so many rights.
Just an FYI for everyone, when I have a problem and I send a note, I send it to the person I want to address it, AND to 3-4 other people.

Such as:

Had a problem with a bus driver. Sent the note to the Trans. Dept., the Bus Co., the principal, the Superintendent AND the guy in charge of transportation on the school board, as well as the police department. Problem solved. No one could say they didn't get an email, because I sent it to so many.
Yeah, but you speak fluent English and aren't new to America -- you're much better informed than this family. I still think the "I told you", "No you didn't" thing is going to come back to poor communication because of the language barrier.
 

Now that's something that hadn't crossed my mind. What if someone was already in the bathroom when the little kids went in? But, no, that couldn't be. Wouldn't the other kids have said, "Two big kids were in there when we went in" or wouldn't the teacher have seen the kids leave the restroom? Sounds very likely, but even if they had hard and fast evidence they'd still not tell the general public and still would call the boys in question "suspects" because they'd be innocent until proven guilty.

The guilty have so many rights.Yeah, but you speak fluent English and aren't new to America -- you're much better informed than this family. I still think the "I told you", "No you didn't" thing is going to come back to poor communication because of the language barrier.

Not necessarily. Like I said, at our school it wouldn't be uncommon at all for there to be fifth graders in there with second graders. Of course, you'd think by now someone would have said they saw bigger kids in there, even if they didn't see them do anything to the kid.
 
Not necessarily. Like I said, at our school it wouldn't be uncommon at all for there to be fifth graders in there with second graders. Of course, you'd think by now someone would have said they saw bigger kids in there, even if they didn't see them do anything to the kid.

I read an article online yesterday that said they were questioning two 5th graders, but the same article said that they always make sure the restrooms are cleared before the next class goes in and that the restroom was clear after the 5th grade left (and that all 5th graders were accounted for with their class), so I don't understand why they're questioning the two 5th graders. :confused3

I think they aren't telling everything they know.
 












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