Ebay Rentals

[gscott8075]

There was a listing on Ebay for 5 nights at OKW or BWV in the non-holiday period.

It lasted for 2 hours and went for $850.

That's around $17 per point!

 

[Richyams]

It means that once again, renting has hurt all of us. It hurts us by only using weekdays. More and more of this will cause them to be forced to even out the points for weekdays vs weekends.

It does us all a great disservice.

One solution to this, that would be impossible to and probably illegal, is to for renters to rent whole weeks. Another solution that would hurt all of us is to start reservation in one week blocks.

Any solution will hurt all of us.

That's what it "means".

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?

 

[Tiggeriffic]

Actually, I believe that the documents that we all signed does allow them to require a minimum stay. They don't do it yet, but I thought that they could do it in the future if they needed to.

 

[gscott8075]

There is no flaming ...

I was merely advising the DVC DIS community that a points went for $17 - which is much higher than the $10 norm.

And yes, if members are reserving peak weeks with the purpose of renting them, it does hurt other members who are attempting to rent at the same time. Members should have priority at holidays and other peak times.

As far as members who rent for unspecified times, the points need to get used up. Whether its the member or a renter, the points are going to get used sometime during the year.

 

[Richyams]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> "More and more of this will cause them to be forced to even out the points for weekdays vs weekends."
Which means you will be able to spend less points on weekends.[/quote]

But weekdays would cost more, I don't need greedy people living outside the spirit of their contracts to force me to change the way I vacation.

Uhh, I guess you didn't read your contract. Disney can make minimum stays. They could very easily make one week reservations the rule.

Renting, since it seems to mainly be done for weekdays, could definitely cause this.

And you don't see how that would do us all a disservice? Huh?

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?

 

[PamOKW]

They must have really wanted to vacation at DVC. Someone recently posted about getting a studio in July direct from Disney for less than that.

 

[nuthut]

Boy did that owner get ripped off, he could have gotten $900!! And spent the difference at Disney!

 

[fkj2]

Maybe evening out the points per week over the seven nights isn't such a bad idea. If the DVC member is staying the entire week, it would make no difference whether the points are rearranged or not. And yes, one of the selling points was that the member could stretch out the number of their vacations by staying low season, low point nights, so that would be illegal to require a member to stay seven nights. What would happen if a member wanted a nine night vacation? Would they have to reserve two weeks?

 

[Richyams]

They could make a minimum of seven nights pretty easily. It would be a terrible thing, to lose the ability to make one or two night stays just because of renters.

These business reanters that are constantly renting out Sun-Fri are doing us all bad. I can't really think of a solution that is legal and good for us. I think if it gets real serious empty weekends at the resort, something is going to have to be done. I think evening out the points for the week has too many bad points. I think the seven day minimum will be the solution....all because of renters, what a shame....oh well, remember, we could be completely off base, renting may only be a very tiny percentage of the rooms and it may not be anything to worry about. The number of EBAY auctions seems to be making that hard to believe.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?

 

[dianeschlicht]

I don't like to get into these debates, but I have to agree with one thing you point out, Rich, and that is about the Sun.-Fri. rentals. This is a problem even for those DVC members who only stay on those nights. It does make getting a week long reservation a problem for those of us who look at a vacation as a minimum of a week. I for one, would not like to have to commit to 2 full weeks just because someone has overused the 5 night thing. We have more flexibility than just about any other time share. Let's not abuse it to the point that we lose that flexibility.

Disneydiane

 

[chris1gill]

First, I have no problem with people renting out their points! BUT... I agree with Rich... If everyone is out there making Sunday to Friday reservations, the only thing leftover for the rest of us is Friday & Saturday night!! Keep in mind, Disney runs these resorts at 95% occupancy. Although I believe we have the right to rent our points, I don't think we should rent them for a fraction of the room cost, and I don't think we should rent them on an ongoing basis of Sunday to Friday - not in a commercial use as we've seen several DVC'ers doing...

 

[DVCJman]

I live 13 hours from WDW. Not a bad drive, but a long one at that. I can't come and spend two days at WDW, whether it is the weekend or weekday. In the past, it would be leave on Saturday morning, drive all the way down, stay off-site for one evening, check-in to OKW on Sunday, stay until Friday and leave that afternoon. We would then drive halfway, and make it back Saturday afternoon...laundry on Sunday and cut the grass, back to work on Monday....seems reasonable to me....

WDW Trips: 1990@Contemporary Tower, 1996@Yacht Club, 1999@BWV & Contemporary Tower, 2000@OKW.

2001: Grand Villa @ OKW

 

[Sims]

I don't think owners' use should be altered in any was because of renters. I'd rather give owners who are using their own resort first priority in all reservations. If there is any question as to the identy of the party checking in for resort use as an owner, a picture ID would be all that is necessary.

 

[Richyams]

ttsui01....have you ever seen EBAY? Have you ever seen the offers there?

If you had, why would you ask "Who's to say that regular DVCers don't take up all the weekdays? "

ALL the EBAY offers are for weekdays only, all of them, every single one. Some dvc owners only use weekdays, SOME, I don't even think it is a majority. Even the way I vacation, 10-12 nights with one weekend included, uses weekend days.

Do yourself a favor, take a look at EBAY, you will be able to make a more informed statement.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?

 

[DisneyHumbug]

I made my first ressie for June at OKW. We are going Mon-Fri, not because of the amount of points, but because 2 of my teens work at our local water park, and it is very hard to get off on the weekends. If I had to go for a full week, I couldn't go on vacation in the summer!!

FW 86,90,93,94
DxL 95,96,96(Apr&Aug),98
CR 00
CSR 01
OKW 01 can't wait!

 

[TnRobin]

Just a reminder. Please stay on topic. This post is about how a DVC member was able to get $17 per point on ebay. Not a call to judge, critisize or a need to justify members vacation habits.

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[Richyams]

You just don't get it.

Who gets hurt when DVC is forced to require 7 night stays because weekend usage is too low?

Members

WHose fault is it that weekend usuage is so low?

Renters

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"Some dvc owners only use weekdays, SOME, I don't even think it is a majority. Even the way I vacation, 10-12 nights with one weekend included, uses weekend days."
I don't understand the relevance of this sentence.

[/quote]

You don't see the relevance of renters using zero weekend days?

I think you are being disengenuous with that statement. The relevance is pretty plain.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx,This has failed every time it has been tried, why do we still have liberals?

 

[Bumpy]

Oh No!
The sky is falling....
The sky is falling....
Oooops it's just Sputnik landing on our heads!

What a luagh this big what if mentality!

Republicans: Always creating problems where there are none! Scare tactics cause their rationale has no merit in reality!

 

[ttsui01]

Let me clarify this thread so that we can avoid any misunderstandings.

The first post was about someone renting out weekday points for $17 per point. While I am not a renter myself, I take offense when a particular group is being attacked without cause.

Let's examine what is bad about renting. We have 4 main groups in this situation: Disney, DVCers, renters and the people renting the points. Let's examine why it is bad for any of these groups...

First we have Disney. They sold the DVC to the DVCers. They have a limit on how many rooms are available at all times. Does Disney care whether you book them on weekdays or on weekends? Probably. That's why they have a point system set up so that more people will use the weekdays. If something should upset the balance such as renting, they will probably have to adjust the points scale. This seems to be the primary concern for some of the DVCers as it would make trips ranging from 1-5 nights cost more points. Using rationale and historical records, is Disney likely to change the point system significantly? The answer is no. As far as I know of, Disney has only adjusted the point system once or twice in its many years in existence. Therefore, the argument that renters will force Disney to change the point system is highly unlikely.

Second, we have the DVCers like most of you here at this board and myself. The main concern here is that the renters are taking up precious weekdays from DVCers. As evident by the many replies in this thread, most of us DVCers also avoid weekends like a plague. That basically means we can factor out the weekends and focus on weekdays only. A quick look at eBay reveals that there are about 10 vacations on sale. The fact is that there are 50,000 DVC members in the world. Even if there were 30 vacations on sale per week, that would only amount to 1560 DVC slots. This is equivalent to 3%!!!!!! No matter how you fiddle with the math, this is as close to insignificant as it gets. Remember that renters have to sign up for the chance to get holidays as well. If they did not rent it out, they would still have to use it and they would obviously reserve on weekdays anyway. No matter if it is the renter or the people renting the points using the points, the weekdays will be used by them anyway.

Now onto the renters. They pay a huge sum of money for DVC points. Some may rent it out purely to make money, some may rent it out because they have to. If you have a method on how to figure the difference between the two, please divulge. What if the demand for Disney Vacation drops? The renter would stand to lose out on thousands of dollars per year. That's just the way the market works.

As for the people renting the points from the renter...America is a capitalist nation, not communist or socialist. If other people want to pay $10 or $15 or $20, it's their choice. No one is forcing the buyer to pay $17 per point for the vacation. If you wish to inform them that they're paying too much for the points, by all means e-mail them.

I find this topic extremely humorous. This is like saying "Look at all the people who come to Disney resorts on weekdays and weekends! Gosh darn, they make the resorts and parks so crowded and I can't stand them. Why do they pay at or above full retail price to come take up my space? Only I should be able to come on weekdays!!!"

OKW 8/00, OKW DVC 2/01

 

[Dean]

Just got back from touring college campuses with my daughter. You guys have had all the fun while I was gone. You had a great discussion of the room occupancy then the ebay/rental thing. I guess I'm to the point on both topics of nothing but repetition but their are a few points that directly apply here.

First, DVC can require a minimum stay but the longest they can require is 5 days. I'm not sure if they could specifiy which days go together (ie F-M).

Second, the idea of rentals of S-F is no different than the general DVC population. Many people reserve those cheaper 5 days. Now we can argue whether the point differential is appropriate as currently set up but it's a more general question that rental vs not. Sure DVC could change the current point structure and it would likely hurt more members than renters. Of course it would help others. DVC needs to keep the points proportioned in such a way to even out the usage, ALL USAGE. If that means changing and adversely affecting someone who's planned to that last point, so be it.

Third, since renting is legal and to one degree or another, everyone agrees; it is irrelevent whether using the points to rent legally makes it more difficult for someone else who is an owner. Things we all do make it more difficult for the next member. If I get the last room of a specific view or size or only reserve during the week and avoid weekends, If I only use my 500 points for studios and many other examples where you can site where we are all competing with other members. Regardless of how we feel about renting, the truth is that you are in competion with the member not the person who is renting.

Dean