Ebay, I know we've been over this before, but

[LisaR]

Dean,
Just so you know, I was in no way referring to your post - as I stated.

If someone is going to be a slob or steal or cheat, then they are going to do just that. That person may be an owner, renter, or a cash paying customer. To generalize as Caskbill did that DVC owners take better care of their "homes" then renters is flat out nonsense and insulting. It says that when I use to rent points, I did not care what shape I left my unit in. However, now that I am a DVC owner, I will take better care of it. I am a morally sound, decent individual who would not ruin something just because I didn't own it. Since most hotels in the world are NOT timeshares, therefore are "rented" by individuals that do not have a vested interest, explain why so many are still in such good shape and thrive? I stay in top notch Chicago properties regularly and often times in NY as well and those "renters" seem to be keeping the facilities up very well.

Sorry, but this just really irritated me. Now that I own DVC, I do not consider myself any better, cleaner or responsible then someone who rented some points.

 

[Dean]

Lisa, I was just agreeing with you, stating a similar thing in a different way. To be honest, I do a little more to help out the maids now that I'm better versed on how things work. I've was always taught that you take even better care of someone else's property than you do your own and I've tried to teach my children the same thing.

Dean

 

[WDWDad]

I'm sorry lisaR, but I agree with caskbill. Both you and Dean just said that you both treat your rooms better since you are DVC owners. No one accused anyone of trashing a unit. Caskbill stated that as owners we have an interest in DVC that someone renting doesn't have. It is only human nature to take care of something which matters to you. Therefore we try to go above and beyond the minimums when we stay at our DVC resorts. I have stayed at many other hotels,motels, and condo's and I guarantee while I did not trash any of them I take better care of my OKW room than any other I have stayed in.

Also can we please not take offense so quickly. Caskbill merely stated an opinion with a widely respected generality. Caskbill did not attack anyone. To be offended already was an over reaction

 

[Dean]

I didn't say I treated it better, I don't. I personally treat it just as well as any other hotel I stay at, no better, no worse. All I do extra is try to help out the maids at the end of the stay. I'm convinced that the handful of people I've rented to over the years have treated the units at least as well as I have if not better, at least based on their level of excitement both before and after the trip. I think many people feel like they own it and can do whatever they want. But as long as we're argueing which of use takes better care of the units, we should all be ok.

Dean

 

[LisaR]

WDWDAD, Let me "over react and take offense again so quickly". First of all, please point out in my post where I "admitted that I take better care of DVC"? Also, please point out where Dean says the same thing?

Your statement of "it is only human nature to take care of something which matters to you" I guess just shows that we were raised very, very different. That is okay. Not everybody is the same. However, I was rasied to take care of something no matter who it belongs to. And as Dean stated, if it belongs to someone else, I was also raised to treat it even better.

I am sorry, but I do take great offense to the assumption that DVC owners treat DVC resorts better then renters or cash paying customers. I will stake my life on it that there are DVC owners out there who have stolen towels, silverware and many other things from their "home". It is a very sad world that we live in if people are being raised to only take care of their "own" stuff. Call me nieve, but my friends and family were raised much different.

I am honestly not trying to start a war. I tend to stay out of controversial posts because I really don't think anything gets resolved - as I am sure this won't get resolved either. However, I have rented points 6 times and belive me, I have left DVC in mint condition. I have also stayed on property paying cash and have left the rooms in mint condition. And now that I am a DVC owner, I will do the exact same thing. As is the case in most everything in life, it is the minority that ruins things, not the majority and in this case I believe the minority to be a mix of owners, renters and cash customers.

Lisa

 

[WDWDad]

LisaR

However, now that I am a DVC owner, I will take better care of it.

Dean

To be honest, I do a little more to help out the maids now that I'm better versed on how things work.

Perhaps I misunderstood your posts, but they seem simple enough to me.

You and I are not so far apart. I agree that one should always have respect for everyone whether it be property or otherwise. I agree that there probably are owners who do damage,steal, whatever. My point simply was that I believe that most people who belong to DVC will treat it better overall. I still stick to my opinion on this. I am not saying that renters will trash the place, but on average they do not feel the same sense of attachment to the resorts that we do.

LisaR, you returned to DVC as a renter several times. You obviously felt some sense of home or community there. I only hope that all members, renters, or cash ressies occupants leave the rooms in the same condition as you. But, as a person who has rented residential properties to people I know that a significant percentage do not share your sense of responsibility

 

[slindamood]

I wonder if the person advertising so many reservations is a DVC owner or is a broker - - more like a scalper. Buys from many owners then markets those units. If he is not the owner but the scalper, each individual DVC member renting to that person may be making "occasional" rentals and may not be breaking the commercial rule.

I believe that DVC cannot legally prevent rentals due to the concept of free alienability of real property - - meaning that property owners have a legal right to sell and to rent their property.
DVC is probably OK in prohibiting a commercial purpose, but it would be difficult to say at what point the occasional rental turns into a commercial enterprise. I guess they know it when they see it

 

[LisaR]

I promised myself that I was done responding on this subject, but I can't leave myself misquoted.

I said:
"To generalize that DVC owners take better care of their "homes" then renters is flat out nonsense and insulting. It says that when I use to rent points, I did not care what shape I left my unit in. However, now that I am a DVC owner, I will take better care of it."

My point was that I wouldn't take care of something better as an owner then a renter.

I 100% agree that there are people that rent (actual houses to live in, timeshares, cars, etc) and do not respect the property. However, to say they treat it that way because they don't own it, I feel is wrong. I think they treat the property poorly because that is just the way they are. They are just not decent individuals. I think the percent of people who have extreme personalities is small. By extreme, I mean that they actually think little of a place because it is rented yet they are extremely neat when they own it. Those people do exist but I think they are in the minority. Just like I think that some people that own any timeshare think that they are "entitled" to an extra towel to take home because afterall, they do pay those dues. Those people exist but they are also in the minority. Any morally sound individual isn't going to go into ANY hotel, drop something on the carpet and just leave it there and walk all over it if they have an ounce of decency. Owning, in my opinion has nothing to do with it. An individual is an individual who makes up their mind to do the right thing or the wrong thing, period.

I promise I am done. I assume everyone has figured out my opinion on this. I leave Wednesday for 7 nights at OKW on rented points (rented them before we bought into DVC). You have my promise that the villa will be left in mint condition because that is my personality - not because I now own a part of it.

Lisa

 

[WDWDad]

I am also done here. I thought it would be fun to talk about issues such as these from a detached point of view. I never attacked anyone here, but rather wanted to talk about the concept of whether or not commercial enterprises where being employed on ebay in regards to DVC. That point was lost early on.

Then we seemed to digress into discussing the use and care of renters vs. owners. Could have been an interesting subject, yet as always seems to happen the thread degenerates into a personal nature. I was speaking to ideas and patterns of behavior of a group in general. LisaR seems to think I was speaking to her specifically. I will allow for the fact that lisaR is an exceptional renter/member if she will allow for the fact that her behavior is part of an overall larger group behavior that is not totally defined by her conduct alone.

I'm outa here

 

[JAH]

I have rented points on Ebay. I do not make a business of it, I love our DVC vacations and it is the reason we joined. However when circumstances arrive that points cannot be used or an abundance accumulates because of an inability to get off work, we all have the ability to rent them. I personally feel that selling them for $10 a point is selling it way short of a fair market value.
When I first became interested in DVC Disney was selling points at around $60. Points on the rent/trade board were going for $10. Now Disney is selling them for $72 and they still think $10 a point is fair (some think too high)when Disney has also raised the rack prices of all resorts considerably.
Consider a 5 night studio vacation that cost 40 points at $10 that is $400 or $80 a night (less than an all star).
Vacation4u had an auction that closed last week , it was a studio (40 points)and the winning bidder at $610 did not meet the reserve - meaning Vacation4u thought that getting $15.25 a point was too low- this is a little extreme - and I feel that they are probably trying to conduct a business of it.
The thought of members taking better care of the units than non members is ridiculous.
I had stayed at OKW as a non member with an AP discount and treated the room no different. In plain english- A slob is a slob period. A considerate person is just that and does not need a vested interest to take proper care of property.
To sum it up I do not feel that if I can get $200 -$300 more on renting points I am unable to use on Ebay than why should I not. If you went to by anything and you could get it for $300 cheaper somewhere else most certainly you would. If you are selling something why settle for less.