E-cigs?

[dzorn]

There are a couple that have determined that the "bad" things in them are at such low levels (roughly 1000 times less than in cigarette smoke) that they are extremely unlikely to be a health risk to those using them. There will never be a study that states with absolute certainty that they are completely harmless, they just won't word any conclusion that way. However, I would agree with your implication that further research be done.

What I think the real issue some are attempting inject is that there is some risk from "secondhand vapor", and there simply is not one single shred of evidence to support that notion. Given the extremely low levels of the potential carcinogens found in the cartridge solution itself, and the fact that thus far there isn't any evidence that firsthand vapor is a health risk, it's pretty far fetched to make a serious argument that secondhand vapor is any worse for you than the air you breathe. After all, the air itself contains varying amounts of "dangerous" compounds, it's just that they aren't in high enough concentrations to actually do harm.

It seems that the underlying theme to that argument is nothing more than a select group of people that "don't like it", so they want to forcefully prevent you from doing it. I'm quite sure every one of them has personal habits that I would find distasteful, lucky for them I'm not in the business of attempting to force others to act in accordance with my beliefs.

But the manufacture of the cartridges are not regulated as a drug would be so who knows what is in them or if even each batch has the same.

Denise in MI

 

[ChloroFiend]

Then that's the parent's job to teach the child, not some random stranger's job to not do it in front of your kid. I see people do things in front of my kid every day that I don't want her to do, but it's not my problem that they're doing it, it's my problem that I teach my child my opinion on the behavior.

Actual parenting seems to be a rare concept these days.

 

[Rip]

But the manufacture of the cartridges are not regulated as a drug would be so who knows what is in them or if even each batch has the same.

Denise in MI

Depending on the manufacturer, there are varying compounds found in them. Your research into them should have told you that. They know what is in them, that's pretty easy to find out. There likely are batch to batch variations within a given brand, but again tests have been performed on more than one sample both within and between the various manufacturers. It's not at all likely that the variations are such that one lot would be found harmless yet the next would have enough toxins to harm someone secondhand. As I said, given the known levels of the various potential harmful compounds found in the solutions used, it's not realistic to believe that secondhand vapor is in any way a health risk. For that matter, you'd have to purposefully blow the vapor directly into someone's face given the rapid rate of dispersion, and you've bigger health risks associated with the germs that person is putting in you than with the vapor.

 

[stargazertechie]

What exactly is a "non-smoking state"?

There is no smoking in public buildings (bars and restaurants included), you must be a certain distance from the doors, and the UofM campus is 100% smoke free now- even outside

 

[Rip]

There is no smoking in public buildings (bars and restaurants included), you must be a certain distance from the doors, and the UofM campus is 100% smoke free now- even outside

With the exception of bars, I'd bet that most states are pretty similar now. I think it's pretty ridiculous to ban it outside, though.

 

[PatsMom]

There is no smoking in public buildings (bars and restaurants included), you must be a certain distance from the doors, and the UofM campus is 100% smoke free now- even outside

I think most states are this way now. So there really isn't anything special. NH does allow smoking on the campus of the universities, as long as you are 18 and a certain distance from the doorways. But otherwise, I think our rules are just as strict.

To the OP - I would avoid the smoking areas. You are trying to quit and smelling fresh smoke is just going to make you want to light up a real cigarette. I am almost five years out from quitting and I still avoid areas where people are smoking!

If someone challenges you, just explain it is not really a cigarette. I saw a few of them on my last trip to WDW in May so apparently the CM's aren't telling you to go to the smoking areas with them.

 

[SaraJayne]

Wisconsin too (since last July!) Yay!

 

[iheartdisney]

Then that's the parent's job to teach the child, not some random stranger's job to not do it in front of your kid. I see people do things in front of my kid every day that I don't want her to do, but it's not my problem that they're doing it, it's my problem that I teach my child my opinion on the behavior.

 

[Brian Noble]

Does Disney have a policy regarding these e-cigs? I'd like to know before I go next week.

Your best bet is to ask Disney directly. Send your question in an email to:

wdw.guest.communications@disneyworld.com

the UofM campus is 100% smoke free now- even outside

I thought we didn't switch over until July 1st? (As an aside, it will be interesting to see whether or not this is enforced at football games.)

http://www.hr.umich.edu/smokefree/index.html

 

[housemouse]

Some states have baned them for minors. They are also banned from adding flavoring as they were doing when first introduced that would appeal to minors.

Denise in MI

Banning them from minors is a good thing and no one has any objections to that. However, flavors have not been banned. That's an incorrect statement. Adults like flavors too. Being over the age of 18 doesn't make people stop liking things that taste good. Banning flavors is inconsequential anyways as they can be picked up at most any grocery store and added to a plain mix. But if the logic being used in attempts to ban flavorings is that it appeals to children, then why does Nicorette gum come in flavors like "fruit chill" and "cinnamon surge"? Are they trying to market to children? They sure do have kiddish sounding names. No one is trying to ban Nicorette flavors. Come to think of it, by extension, shouldn't all flavored alcohol be pulled off the market? Couldn't that be construed as an attempt to market to children?

 

[parmtoo]

If Disney does not have a policy against it then go for it. It really isn't anyones business.
Furthermore, it is not your responsibility if someone sees you and decides to light up a real cig. And last, it is the responsibility of a parent to set a good example for their children. If we worry about everything they see everywhere we go, we wouldn't go anywhere.
OP, do sorry for your loss

 

[Lees3rwe]

Well, I just watched a few youtube videos of people "vaping", I have to be honest... that would annoy the mess out of me in line or on an airplane.

I suppose if there are no rules against it, there is nothing that could be done if you were using it outside of a smoking area, but please, don't do it in close proximity to others. It may be water vapor, but I don't want it blown all over me and my family.

 

[minniebride]

Completely agree with this. Our county parks banned all tobacco products years ago due to the influence on the children in them.

Do children live in a bubble?? They never see people in public places smoking cigarettes?

Geez I wish WDW could ban all of the other things that go on there that are bad influences on children-unruly kids, unruly parents, unhygienic peoples, drunk people, filthy language, bratty teenagers, people eating fatty unhealthy food, etc etc etc etc.....

You cannot hide children from these things. You can only teach them to make wise decisions.

 

[Rip]

Well, I just watched a few youtube videos of people "vaping", I have to be honest... that would annoy the mess out of me in line or on an airplane.

I suppose if there are no rules against it, there is nothing that could be done if you were using it outside of a smoking area, but please, don't do it in close proximity to others. It may be water vapor, but I don't want it blown all over me and my family.

I've never seen a single person blow it all over anyone or their family.

 

[Lees3rwe]

http://vimeo.com/7993319

just don't get near THIS guy...

 

[AnthonyJPreston]

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[lilwhiterabbit]

It doesn't "blow" at all. It's water vapor. Water. Vapor. Not smoke. If you're afraid of water vapor you might as well stay home, since a good chunk of Disney attractions employ water vapor in some fashion.

 

[TheAceOfAces]

It doesn't "blow" at all. It's water vapor. Water. Vapor. Not smoke. If you're afraid of water vapor you might as well stay home, since a good chunk of Disney attractions employ water vapor in some fashion.

Very true. I'm in college studying theatre, and we actually use e-cigs in plays where the script calls for smoking both because of the fire risk real cigarettes pose (since fire is the biggest safety hazard in the theatre field) and because we recently became a smoke-free campus. The e-cigs don't smell, aren't hot to the touch, don't make a mess (no ashes or butts) or create a fire hazard, and nobody in the theatre department (about 60 students and 6 professors) has had any kind of negative reaction to them, even people with asthma or other conditions aggravated by smoke. They're also better for the actors- when the script calls for smoking, prior to the e-cigs, we used real cigarettes, whether the actor was a smoker in real life or not.
And I say all this as someone who has never smoked or used tobacco in any form.

 

[minniebride]

The E-Cig in this video really looks like a cigerette with the filter and all.

My mother and step father use the e-cigs, and have taken them to Disney before, there was never a problem. Then again, what they use does not look like that. What they have is just a thin, black pipe, that lights up blue at the end.

What I find with people that use the e-cigs (most of the time) is that they don't necessarily take a time out to puff on it like how regular smokers would smoke a whole cigerette. My mother for example will take maybe 1 or 2 drags every 20-30 minutes or so. I can't speak for everybody that uses e-cigs, but that is my experience with them. So, this way it doesn't draw as much attention.

I don't think there is any big need to go all the way to a designated smoking area to have a couple of hits off of the e-cig. If you were going to go all the way to a smoking area you might as well have a real one.

I say just try to be casual about it. If asked, just tell them. I wouldn't blow it in anyones face (obviously) even if it is just vapor, but, I doubt that is what you had in mind anyway haha. I wouldn't do it inside of any buildings either. Hotel room should be fine though. You arn't doing anything wrong.

Have fun!

That's basically how we use ours: 1-2 hits every so often.

 

[Iwant2BAprincess]

Do children live in a bubble?? They never see people in public places smoking cigarettes?

Geez I wish WDW could ban all of the other things that go on there that are bad influences on children-unruly kids, unruly parents, unhygienic peoples, drunk people, filthy language, bratty teenagers, people eating fatty unhealthy food, etc etc etc etc.....

You cannot hide children from these things. You can only teach them to make wise decisions.

No they do not live in a bubble. But they have been taught a respect for themselves and others, which quite frankly a lot of smokers have neither. They will flat tell people it is disgusting, harmful and stupid to be a smoker-don't worry I have taught them well about not smoking. But, as the phrase goes It takes a village to raise a child and if the village is filled with self-centered morons the children don't stand much of a chance.