DVC - toe in the water

Kevin Dershem

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Full disclosure - I posted my question on the miscellaneous thread, but another member suggested I should post my inquiry here.
Here it is :
My wife and I have been toying with the idea of DVC. We, of course, love going to Disney, and have dreams of staying at the nice resorts we normally wouldn't be able to afford on our limited Disney once a year budget. We are the type of couple that lives in the Disney bubble, we get the dining plan, and research the menus to see the best value, and make sure our vacation is just pure fun. We also have desires to visit the other Disney properties. We have been weighing the pros and cons of renting DVC points versus buying. What type of advice do you have for us?

I appreciate the feedback
 
I would start with renting first to see if DVC is right for you. Try out couple of resorts with a split stay.
 
We, of course, love going to Disney, and have dreams of staying at the nice resorts we normally wouldn't be able to afford on our limited Disney once a year budget.

The question is...does your idea of the nice resort hotel rooms match up with the reality of the villas? Because while they are inside of the buildings (or adjacent), they are timeshare units. No usual housekeeping, etc.

I actually don’t usually think it’s necessary to stay there to decide (just not sure what staying there will tell you), but if you have an idea in your head of what it will be like, maybe renting a stay at the villas in the resorts you’re thinking of can help inform your choice.

I mean, as much as I love love love the GFV studios, I have a feeling that the normal GF rooms are much more awesome. If I really wanted the latter, would the former truly make me happy?
 
Full disclosure - I posted my question on the miscellaneous thread, but another member suggested I should post my inquiry here.
Here it is :
My wife and I have been toying with the idea of DVC. We, of course, love going to Disney, and have dreams of staying at the nice resorts we normally wouldn't be able to afford on our limited Disney once a year budget. We are the type of couple that lives in the Disney bubble, we get the dining plan, and research the menus to see the best value, and make sure our vacation is just pure fun. We also have desires to visit the other Disney properties. We have been weighing the pros and cons of renting DVC points versus buying. What type of advice do you have for us?

I appreciate the feedback

It's really hard to say. Are you able to book your stays 11 months or so in advance, especially if you visit during busy DVC times such as the first couple of weeks of December, or really anytime late Sept-Jan 2nd? Or race weekends or a couple other holidays? For the most part you want to be able to book well in advance of your travel. Do you plan to visit every year or at least every other year for the foreseeable future? Anything more than that can make it problematic to use your points. Can you purchase without financing? Financing eats into any savings you might realize with DVC. Are you happy staying in a Disney Value or Moderate or do you really want to stay in the deluxe accommodations? If you're happy with the Values or Moderates then staying at them on cash might still be the best way to go and provide greater flexibility. Will the layouts work for you - ie most studios have a queen bed and a double or queen sleeper sofa. Some have a single murphy bed as well.
 

I really appreciate all of the feedback to this post. It has given us quite a bit to ponder.
We have been (my wife and I), once a year travelers. Our most recent stay was at French Quarter, which we loved. We also have stayed at every single value resort on Property. I think we would partially use DVC to stay at resorts we normally wouldn't be able to afford with our budget.
I think the question is, like many people have, is would we get the value of the DVC. Or would it be better to either rent points or just book a vacation.
I really appreciate everyone's feedback
 
It seems like you are on a tight budget, so I would strongly suggest you do a lot of research before you buy into DVC, especially now with the new Riviera and post 1/19/2019 restrictions on resale contracts. If you don't mind the value resorts, those will save you money over buying into DVC.
Owning DVC only saves you money over paying rack rates at deluxe resorts, and it really doesn't save you money in the long run, just lets you stay at a nicer resort. Our budget with paying Maintenance Fees for going to WDW is between $6500-$7500 with airfare, for our family of 5 to stay in 1 bedroom or 2 bedroom units.

Good luck with your research, and always ask questions, Disboards has great members with lots of knowledge.
 
I really appreciate all of the feedback to this post. It has given us quite a bit to ponder.
We have been (my wife and I), once a year travelers. Our most recent stay was at French Quarter, which we loved. We also have stayed at every single value resort on Property. I think we would partially use DVC to stay at resorts we normally wouldn't be able to afford with our budget.
I think the question is, like many people have, is would we get the value of the DVC. Or would it be better to either rent points or just book a vacation.
I really appreciate everyone's feedback

With that feedback I'd tend to recommend renting for the time being. Try a stay or two and see if it is appealing and then you'll be able to better determine if you could achieve value out of buying a resale contract. That will be the option for some potential value.
 
It seems like you are on a tight budget, so I would strongly suggest you do a lot of research before you buy into DVC, especially now with the new Riviera and post 1/19/2019 restrictions on resale contracts. If you don't mind the value resorts, those will save you money over buying into DVC.
Owning DVC only saves you money over paying rack rates at deluxe resorts, and it really doesn't save you money in the long run, just lets you stay at a nicer resort. Our budget with paying Maintenance Fees for going to WDW is between $6500-$7500 with airfare, for our family of 5 to stay in 1 bedroom or 2 bedroom units.

Good luck with your research, and always ask questions, Disboards has great members with lots of knowledge.

Our DVC studio stays are a savings over mods with a 30% discount. Closer to break even with free dining but that's highly variable based on family size.

Once we hit breakeven with our buy in, studio stays should be less than values with a discount.
 
Another vote for renting. While DVC might save you some money on a deluxe room, you are moving up from a mod to a deluxe so it isn't apples to apples. Renting will give you your vacation in a DVC unit while you learn and experience staying in DVC resorts.

:earsboy: Bill

 
I really appreciate all of the feedback to this post. It has given us quite a bit to ponder.
We have been (my wife and I), once a year travelers. Our most recent stay was at French Quarter, which we loved. We also have stayed at every single value resort on Property. I think we would partially use DVC to stay at resorts we normally wouldn't be able to afford with our budget.
I think the question is, like many people have, is would we get the value of the DVC. Or would it be better to either rent points or just book a vacation.
I really appreciate everyone's feedback
“Value” is a very subjective word. If you mean value in a monetary sense, the answer would be maybe. DVC is not the money-saver that it once was. The one positive is that it has held its value, unlike other timeshares. I could sell each of my contracts for more than I paid for them.

I consider “value” in a different way. I happen to enjoy having space to spread out when I vacation. When it’s just me and my husband, I still prefer a 1BR to a hotel room where I have to sit on the balcony if I wake up earlier than him. I like having a kitchen, even if it’s only for making breakfast and light snacks. And I value being within walking distance of two parks from BWV. If we didn’t have DVC, we wouldn’t be staying in suites or going as often as we do.

Something else to consider is that the cost of DVC doesn’t end when you pay off the loan (or plunk down that large lump of cash). I’m reminded of that every January when I pay my maintenance fees. A 100-point contract at CCV would have cost you $743 this year with fees expected to rise significantly over the next two years. And 100 points doesn’t get you much if you look at the charts. A week in a CCV studio in May would run you 120 points. You could rent that same studio thru a broker for $2160...no commitment to annual dues ($892 on 120 points) and no huge buy-in price of nearly $19K.

My advice would be to rent for now. Deal with the other changes that life is bringing your way. And wait to see how all of the recent changes that new DVC management have instituted shake out. You may find that you prefer to use someone else’s points to owning your own.
 
I have a different prospective, I brought all 3 of my timeshares, sight un-seen, and waiting on ROFR on my DVC contract (will be fourth contract sight unseen). Meaning, I never stayed at the resorts I am buying before. But I already spent hours, days, and even many months reading all the available information on the ins and outs of each of my timeshare before deciding it's right for me. I agreed with rent first that many people recommends before spending the money, I can see how it works for others to help them decide. But for me, I see renting as wasting money I could be using towards the purchase of my timeshare. I know ahead of time if the timeshare is right for me after doing full research.

Once thing I learn about timeshare in regards to saving money. It does not. You see, I am a priceline / hotwire kinda of person, in the respect that I like to take chances on getting nicer resorts / amenities than a regular 2-3 stars hotels would offer, but don't want to pay rack rates for them (even if you can afford them, to me a hotel room is just a place to sleep and shower, I just don't spend much time in it, and it's not worth spending a lot of money for something that isn't yours). So, I get into timeshares with the thought of it needs to cost about the same or just slightly above than what I would be paying normally for acceptable accommodations. In this regards, I find most timeshares fail to match savings on accommodations.

What I learned from the many postings / threads on this forum, is you will be spending more on timeshares than hotels type of stay, just you get a nicer place to stay, which I am learning I love over a hotel rooms a lot better (getting a full kitchen and washer/dryer in the unit). For my soon to be DVC unit (hoping it pass ROFR), the contact amounts will only amount to studio stays, not even 1-bedrooms unit. However, I purchase with comparison in savings on what I could get otherwise, you can read about why in my other thread I just created.

I definitely won't recommend timeshares to anyone, unless they are a planner, and can plan in this case for DVC, at the 11 months / 7 months mark. But I don't recommend timeshares unless you know you will be going every year, and be able to afford it ever year. Of course, there will be times you want to take a break, but for the most part, you should plan on using your timeshare, this is where the value of a timeshare it, in using them, and creating memories. Since you don't mind planning ahead to get the most and full value out of the Disney Dining Plan, I feel you will be a good enough planner in this regards to get the reservations you want with DVC.

And it sounds like you don't mind going to Disney ever year, and if you really do that, than yes, I would say DVC is right for you, it will save you money over the long run compare to Disney Deluxe resorts, and possibly some compare in Disney Moderate resorts. It will probably cost you more than Disney Value resorts. So if you mainly plan on staying in Value resorts in the future, and it's acceptable, than I say DVC isn't right for you. If you plan on staying on Moderates resorts, than I will say DVC probably will be right for you.

So, than it comes down to affordability, you have to be able to financially swing it. This is where my concern is for you. You mention a tight budget. Nothing about timeshare is on a budget, it's EXPENSIVE, especially Disney. While I don't recommend financing a timeshare purchase (that's just my rules for myself that I live by before purchasing), I will say DVC is the only timeshare that I can see that someone can finance if they don't have the cash outlay at ahead of it, that might make sense, since the value of the memories created usually will far outweigh the money spent in interest and other opportunity costs). But you have to be able to afford it, and swing it!!!

Only if you can answer the 3 questions comfortably, being able to plan ahead of time each year, being able go every year (with some breaks in between due to strong enough DVC rental market) and being able to afford it, would I say go ahead and buy. Otherwise, I would never touch any timeshare. Please make an informed decision, don't let anybody sway your opinions until you yourself know its right for you using criteria you establish yourself. Those are the criteria I establish for myself.

Don't rush things. It took me about 5 years before I decided DVC is for me. You can read about my reasoning on my other thread I just created if you want to know why it took me so long. While new to DVC, I am not new to timeshares. Good Luck on you decisions.

Great3
 
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“Value” is a very subjective word. If you mean value in a monetary sense, the answer would be maybe. DVC is not the money-saver that it once was. The one positive is that it has held its value, unlike other timeshares. I could sell each of my contracts for more than I paid for them.

I consider “value” in a different way. I happen to enjoy having space to spread out when I vacation. When it’s just me and my husband, I still prefer a 1BR to a hotel room where I have to sit on the balcony if I wake up earlier than him. I like having a kitchen, even if it’s only for making breakfast and light snacks. And I value being within walking distance of two parks from BWV. If we didn’t have DVC, we wouldn’t be staying in suites or going as often as we do.

Something else to consider is that the cost of DVC doesn’t end when you pay off the loan (or plunk down that large lump of cash). I’m reminded of that every January when I pay my maintenance fees. A 100-point contract at CCV would have cost you $743 this year with fees expected to rise significantly over the next two years. And 100 points doesn’t get you much if you look at the charts. A week in a CCV studio in May would run you 120 points. You could rent that same studio thru a broker for $2160...no commitment to annual dues ($892 on 120 points) and no huge buy-in price of nearly $19K.

My advice would be to rent for now. Deal with the other changes that life is bringing your way. And wait to see how all of the recent changes that new DVC management have instituted shake out. You may find that you prefer to use someone else’s points to owning your own.

Well put Marionnette, you expressed in many better words what I was trying to say in my response to the OP. I consider the "value" in both ways before leaping in and making the purchase.

Great3
 
DVC is a pretty expensive timeshare. But in the end, you'll pay more in your annual fees than you do for your initial buy in. We bought 22 years ago at $50 a point direct from Disney. A the time our annual fees were around $3 a point. Now they are over $6 and nearing $7 a point. With a baby on the way, you may have a lot of expenses that you aren't thinking about at this time. Rent points for a time or two, see how that works out and then maybe reconsider. The price per point to buy in will have gone up a few times for then, but resale may be the best way to afford DVC.
 
I think the biggest question would be do you have the cash to sink into it right now? If the answer is "yes", DVC can be a great way to make vacations "easy on your budget" in the future.

I've run the numbers all the usual ways, but the truth is that the money we used to buy in is gone and I don't miss it or think about it. It was disposable income.

How we do it:

We plan on 2 years of back to back trips about 11 months apart, one year off. I have a blue card and utilize DVC APs.

I have dues coming out of my account that I barely notice (pretty sure it's my smallest monthly bill) so I don't even have to think about hotel costs.

We are credit card people. We charge every single thing, every single month. (Yes, I am that person that charges their $2 coffee in the DD drivethru.) I've got a HS and college kid. They charge all their crap every single month, too and pay me back. We have a lot of expenses. We earn a lot of points. I'm careful about what charges go on what card to maximize and make this work. We are willing to play the credit card "game" to get bonuses etc.

Every 3 years we should accrue enough points to pay for our airfare and our APs.

So far my trip costs feel like ZERO.

All that we have left to decide for each trip is how much we can spend on food and extras.
That's it.
It's low stress.
 
I mean, as much as I love love love the GFV studios, I have a feeling that the normal GF rooms are much more awesome. If I really wanted the latter, would the former truly make me happy?

They're actually not ... ! I love the VGF building and its intimate, quiet feel. I also like the decor in the VGF building better. When we stayed on the hotel side, we were in one of the farther buildings (can't remember which one) so during our afternoon downpours, we got wet running to the main building, and had a longer walk to get to the feature pool and kids' play area. But, we were able to watch MK fireworks from our balcony with the kids, so there's that.
 
The question is...does your idea of the nice resort hotel rooms match up with the reality of the villas? Because while they are inside of the buildings (or adjacent), they are timeshare units. No usual housekeeping, etc.

I actually don’t usually think it’s necessary to stay there to decide (just not sure what staying there will tell you), but if you have an idea in your head of what it will be like, maybe renting a stay at the villas in the resorts you’re thinking of can help inform your choice.

I mean, as much as I love love love the GFV studios, I have a feeling that the normal GF rooms are much more awesome. If I really wanted the latter, would the former truly make me happy?
Have you stayed in a one bedroom villa at GFV? Those are really, really nice. Better than the GF hotel rooms any day.
 



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