DVC T &C Personal Use - Only Thread to Discuss.

[matt_in_nh]

Again, I fully encourage you to rent as many points as you want. It's the best way to tell what's going to happen. This entire thread is personal opinions and conjecture mixed with guilt and fear mongering, so eat up.

You sound so serious.

 

[Mouseforward]

Unless I missed some detail on all of this, why would they have to physically meet you? Res would be in MDE like any other, just do the online check in and go straight to room?

Yeah, it’s been a while since I’ve actually physically checked in. I find calling member services the night before and double checking my WDW ap link and my reservation. Saves me a lot of time from waiting at the front desk.

 

[lowlight]

You sound so serious.

I know you are but what am I? I'm pretty confused about whatever you're trying to do, so you aren't doing a good job at it.

 

[IMMkXLVI]

But was he willing to meet you at the resort to check in? I guess you probably didn't get that far in the discussion.

Because it would grant him room access during the stay.

 

[Sandisw]

Yeah this wouldn't happen for so many reasons mostly because its not needed but also because that cuts into profits paying someone

And, I added above…DVC can still look at activity and simply decide it looks suspicious because of the number of reservations.

Given that the businesses or LLCs have been formed to get around things, DVC can flag those memberships differently to monitor than your average owner.

 

[CarolynFH]

So how is it that none of these DVC blogs and forums have any info on what happened at the meeting?? They almost always do. and report it right away. Silence this time around.

Maybe none of them went. I understand there was a severe rainstorm (“rain coming down in sheets”) yesterday, meaning local owners stayed home.

 

[TinkAgainU]

I chatted online this week Just to combine a couple nights - and they said I need to confirm it was personal use before they would combine the two nights. I almost said what difference would that make, but since (so far) it would be personal use, I didn't want to fuss about the question.

 

[DonMacGregor]

But why wouldn’t an LLC just put someone local on payroll (or do it themselves if they are actually local) and send that individual over in person to check in as the lead guest. It would legitimize their rentals over the “little guy” that’s in another state. Similar to those moms that were hiring locals with disabilities to cut the lines. (Way before DAS) It seems to me that a voucher system would be more effective. Actually you wouldn’t even need to come all the way inside, just get close enough with remote check in.

They may not need to. As Sandi pointed out, LLCs are "restricted" to using their points for reservations for board members and "employees" only. However, how deep is Disney going to dig into an LLC's employee records to prove John Smith doesn't work for DVC Vacation Fun, Inc.? Is it salaried employees, hourly W2 employees? 1099?

 

[IMMkXLVI]

I chatted online this week Just to combine a couple nights - and they said I need to confirm it was personal use before they would combine the two nights. I almost said what difference would that make, but since (so far) it would be personal use, I didn't want to fuss about the question.

I think DVC replies are all willy nilly. Rep A will give one reply and Rep B another while Rep C is usually an amalgamate of the previous two with some new bits.

 

[MyDogTink]

I chatted online this week Just to combine a couple nights - and they said I need to confirm it was personal use before they would combine the two nights. I almost said what difference would that make, but since (so far) it would be personal use, I didn't want to fuss about the question.

I’ve called twice to modify existing reservations. Each time I was asked to confirm I’m familiar with the T&C and to confirm this reservation is for personal use. The second time, the wording was “solely for personal use”. I have to say, if I haven’t learned so much here and was making the reservation for someone else (including as a rental), I’d be really caught off guard. I was so tempted to ask for a definition of “personal use” but figured I would be told to read the T&C.

 

[Spivey378]

All:

I have AKL value studio confirmed reservations for rent for the following weeks:

1-52

Serious inquiries only.

/s

 

[TinkAgainU]

All:

I have AKL value studio confirmed reservations for rent for the following weeks:

1-52

Serious inquiries only.

/s

Should probably include all your confirmed reservations availability for the AKL Concierge, and Boardwalk standard view rooms too Especially all holiday and DisneyRun weekends!

 

[lowlight]

All:

I have AKL value studio confirmed reservations for rent for the following weeks:

1-52

Serious inquiries only.

/s

Before anyone freaks out or clutches their chocolate chip cookies, he is only doing this to pay for his dues.

 

[Sandisw]

FYI…went to the member update. They have no news and the CM didn’t even seem to know what I was talking about other than that pictures of the CCV refurb is supposed to be out in a few months.

 

[Sandisw]

I’ve called twice to modify existing reservations. Each time I was asked to confirm I’m familiar with the T&C and to confirm this reservation is for personal use. The second time, the wording was “solely for personal use”. I have to say, if I haven’t learned so much here and was making the reservation for someone else (including as a rental), I’d be really caught off guard. I was so tempted to ask for a definition of “personal use” but figured I would be told to read the T&C.

IMO, this may be more about having an owner acknowledge things so if that owner is one who is doing a lot, or whatever DVc decides has shifted to commercial purpose membership, they have something to back it up.

Personally, I would not have no problem in saying yes.

Since the word leaseee is included in the POS under personal use, then I am being truthful.

The other part is that the online booking language and the reported phone or chat language is different.

Maybe just a tactic to out someone on the spot and they are hoping some owners think twice?

 

[VGCgroupie]

All:

I have AKL value studio confirmed reservations for rent for the following weeks:

1-52

Serious inquiries only.

/s

I appreciate the good laugh.

Edit: 5 minutes later I am still laughing. Out loud.

 

[Mouseforward]

IMO, this may be more about having an owner acknowledge things so if that owner is one who is doing a lot, or whatever DVc decides has shifted to commercial purpose membership, they have something to back it up.

Personally, I would not have no problem in saying yes.

Since the word leaseee is included in the POS under personal use, then I am being truthful.

The other part is that the online booking language and the reported phone or chat language is different.

IMO, it’s because it may be a tactic yo put someone on the spot and they are hoping some owners think twice.

Sounds 100% like a lets bluff them into thinking we are addressing the problem. I think they know that they can update the ToS all they want but in Florida, it will not change the POS.

Just like when an HOA passes "rules" they are fine for common items and common property ... but they don't change the covenants and restrictions on your property without a 2/3 vote .

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Adding that I have also seen frequent renters advising each other to leave their names on their rental reservations. Respecting the rule not to share images here, but it is happening (which is insane and risky for both renter or and guest).

Also, I’m happy to hear Disney is evidently serious about making people say it’s personal use every time they make and change a reservation. I know there are some people assuring themselves Disney will adopt their preferred view of personal use, but I sure wouldn’t be checking that box if I planned to rent my points to a stranger (without written reassurance from Disney)… and I wouldn’t want to rent from a stranger who had checked the box either.

 

[Sandisw]

Sounds 100% like a lets bluff them into thinking we are addressing the problem. I think they know that they can update the ToS all they want but in Florida, it will not change the POS.

Just like when an HOA passes "rules" they are fine for common items and common property ... but they don't change the covenants and restrictions on your property without a 2/3 vote .

Correct. They have the power to institute a commercial use policy and even amend that last when we know about…2008…but anyting that would je seen as a material change requires that vote.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

All:

I have AKL value studio confirmed reservations for rent for the following weeks:

1-52

Serious inquiries only.

/s

Do you once again find yourself with more points than your family can use for the year?