DVC Point Charts for 2011 - Post chart release discussion begins on Pg 14

I see alot of negative comments so I wanted to see for myself what a usual week would cost us 2010 vs 2011. A 2 bedroom SSR 299 vs 292. We would actually save 7 points in 2011 for the same week.

Missy...glad it works for you. For those utilizing "weekend" points, it generally does. It's more those of us that only stay on "weeknights" that are feeling the crunch.
I'm not sure how you came to the 299 vs 292 though ? I looked at 2010 and 2011 charts and can't seem to come to those totals for a 2 bedroom villa at SSR ? Maybe I'm missing something.....but regardless....glad you're saving. LOTS of us are not so we need to find creative ways to adjust our vacations.

Maria
 
Nick no one can possibly " plan" nor have a strategy when DVC has been less than forthcoming about THIER plans for the past and present reallocations. No way we will have any foresight to future reallocations with the present management at the helm.
 
no one can possibly " plan" nor have a strategy

Another good reason to just borrow and worry about it later. Who knows? Circumstances might change down the road more favorably.
 
Great work! I sure hope someone takes this further up the food chain!:mad:


OK here is my first run on AKV

Methodology, loaded 2010 calendar year (both 2010 and 2011 charts), from past loads I have found no more than .2% variance with this methodology between different loaded years. All 2br lockoffs as 2brs

List is 2010 charts then 2011 charts and the change

Value 158178 135104 -5074
Standard 1051883 1880681 28798
Savanna 6098906 6234114 135208
Club 101635 106415 4780

Totals 7410602 7574314 163712

This equates to 2.21% or about $18,335,744 at $112/pt

Interesting as that is if you change 2 GVs and 42 2brs from
Savanna view to standard view it is very close to the same 160,000 points.

I will let everyone draw his or her own conclusions.

I will double check to entries and algorithm the morning but I am pretty sure it is substantially accurate.

I think it will be interesting to see how quickly they pull the AKV charts down as a measure of how closely they monitor Disboards.

bookwormde
 

Another good reason to just borrow and worry about it later. Who knows? Circumstances might change down the road more favorably.

That's pretty much my strategy. I looked at my point requirements for taking my usual 3 trips on one AP over 2010-2011. I'll actually use less points for my week in December, but I'll probably have to borrow for my week in February next year. No matter, I wont be going in March anyway, so I'll just use those points a month early by borrowing them, and then I'll wait until January 2012 for my next trip.:confused3
 
Nick no one can possibly " plan" nor have a strategy when DVC has been less than forthcoming about THIER plans for the past and present reallocations. No way we will have any foresight to future reallocations with the present management at the helm.

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Maria
 
That's pretty much my strategy. I looked at my point requirements for taking my usual 3 trips on one AP over 2010-2011. I'll actually use less points for my week in December, but I'll probably have to borrow for my week in February next year. No matter, I wont be going in March anyway, so I'll just use those points a month early by borrowing them, and then I'll wait until January 2012 for my next trip.:confused3

And I also said the same thing in my post #16. It might trend back in the other way again.........

Maria
 
this is kinda what i expected.

so last year when they upped the points - got 50 more points instead of just 25.

guess should have say something here.

you might also consider what doing now - buying a home near WDW. the house prices have been the lowest in years. and some are expecting to get lower.

that say if worked had not retired me last May - would probably be alot more upset. So hoping to move in March (shortsale - bank has to March to reply) to the area.

despite the way the economy looks now - Orlando will come back and then the house prices will be way up there again.

moving there my present condo is on the market now. buying a house (my first one) there.
 
Disney's own cash rates demonstrate that weekends have higher demand that weekdays (they now charge more for weekends.)
The difference is modest though. For standard view rooms, Values differ about 12%-15%. Mods about 7-9%. Deluxes (using BCV as an example): about 5%, and only in Peak and Regular seasons, discounting the holiday/marathon weekends.

The DVC spreads, using OKW as an example: 30-35% premium for studios, 12-25% for 1BRS, 12-24% for 2BRs, and 18-30% for GVs.
 
The 2011 point charts seems to be making my vacation planning a challenge for next year. To all the DVC gurus out there, "How can I use the 2011 point chart to my advantage?" I look forward to hearing your sage advice.


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Well, IF you used to stay only 7 days and IF you still plan to do so, you are in luck. You will pay around the same in points. But if you stay less without a weekend in it OR even if you stay more without a second weekend in the mix, all things being the same as you have done before you will pay more... period

There really is no real "advantage" unless you have always done a 7day trip.

It does look like BWV studios have become a little more of a bargain, but haven't seen anything else be a better deal so far
 
Great information not related to my reply deleted, see post # 596 for full version

Standard 1051883 1880681 28798

Interesting as that is if you change 2 GVs and 42 2brs from
Savanna view to standard view it is very close to the same 160,000 points.

I will let everyone draw his or her own conclusions.

I will double check to entries and algorithm the morning but I am pretty sure it is substantially accurate.

I think it will be interesting to see how quickly they pull the AKV charts down as a measure of how closely they monitor Disboards.
bookwormde

Looks like you have a typo in your post for the second number in standard view; should be 1,080,681 not 1,880,681 (a difference of 800,000) now that would be something to talk about.

More importantly, I do not understand why you think they will quickly pull down the AKV charts. Your explanation that they reclassified 2 GV and 42 2brs, (if that is indead what they did) seems to explain away the apparent "point creation" at AKV that you (and others) have talked about in in earlier posts. (Your numbers seem to support what you said in your post #551) Given your post #582 indicated there were 298 2brm savanna view rooms, reclassifying 42 of them (14%) does seem possible. (BTW, how did you get the breakdown in your post #582? I did not know DVC ever disclosed the exact number of rooms, by size, in each view catagory)

Maybe DVC learned from its experiance at Boardwalk IF AS OTHER HAVE STATED, before BW was sold out DVC reclassified some rooms down to a standard view catagory and lowered the points on those, BUT did not raise the points on the other rooms which they reclassified as prefered view rooms, so they therefore ended up with fewer points to sell. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THAT IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED? It seems to me if you started with 5 rooms at BW at 40 points each (a total of 200 points) and wanted to reclasify 1 room (20% of the 5 rooms) downward, you could just reduce that room to 32 points and raise the other 4 rooms to 42 points and they would still total 200 points. (the actual numbers at BW are closer to 350 rooms with 70 being reclassified, but the math is the same) That way the total number of points to be sold would not change, and I would suspect that is what they actually did at BW. It does not seem to me that it matters whether the resort is fully sold or not when they to do that.

Regardless of what they did at BW, at AKV, it definitely looks like they made up for the points they lost when they downgraded some rooms to standard view, by rasing the points on the other room catagories, and therefore did not end up with fewer points to sell, but also did not end up with more points.

I wonder if they did (or will do) a similar thing at BLT if they need to reclassify some rooms from one catagory to another at that resort.

Finally, I also want to add my thanks for all the effort you put in on this. You, wrdl, and TSMIII really seem to have a handle on the numbers. (I find it really interesting, but them I am a math geek.)
 
The first time this point reallocation happened I was really upset...at this point nothing surprises me from Disney/DVC. I have come to expect the "what is good for the corporation and not necessarily what is good for me and/or us." My husband is convinced this is about getting people to buy more points. (The point re-allocation for our travel time has changed from 40/75 to roughly 48/55. That is huge.) Not sure whether I agree or disagree with him but there is some reason for it and my guess it isn't because Disney/DVC are overly concerned about all of us.

Unfortunately we either have to live with it or get rid of our DVC. Sad but true...the choice is ours to make even though we may not want to take such steps. Fortunately for me my children are almost beyond Disney...one last trip this year and that should do it. I can start doing more adult type things like cruising and laying on a beach!!! I might even finally venture over to Universal or Sea World!! Say it isn't so!!! Commando trips to Disney are almost a thing of the past for me but I have to say I feel bad for those that aren't at this stage and DVC may now no longer be working for them as it once did based on all the changes that have occurred.

It has been a great ride and my family has enjoyed it so much. Unfortunately for us I think the end is finally here.
 
Another good reason to just borrow and worry about it later. Who knows? Circumstances might change down the road more favorably.

Well, I have to admit I am fairly new to this, but has there ever been a reduction in the points? I guess if people overwhelm the weekends and stop coming on weekdays as much , they would "maybe" swing back. I feel like the simple fix would be buy more points, but if they are going to continue down this road, how many points is it going to take AND in the ned, will it be more financially feasible to use another method ? Guess time will tell :rolleyes:
 
Missy...glad it works for you. For those utilizing "weekend" points, it generally does. It's more those of us that only stay on "weeknights" that are feeling the crunch.
I'm not sure how you came to the 299 vs 292 though ? I looked at 2010 and 2011 charts and can't seem to come to those totals for a 2 bedroom villa at SSR ? Maybe I'm missing something.....but regardless....glad you're saving. LOTS of us are not so we need to find creative ways to adjust our vacations.

Maria

It is actually for an 8 night stay. 2010 Nov 6-14 2011 Nov 5-13.
 
Wonderful compassion:sad2:.

I am going during the first 2 weeks of Dec. Allegedly the lowest time. My previous point usage for a 1 BR was 110 for 5 nights (2009).

It is now 140 for 5 nights. Any suggestions now?

So done with this thread.:sad1:

Only one suggestion. Don't let the 2-year olds comments bother you. They are entitled to their opinion, but last I checked, we paid for our points, we were told (in essence) this would not happen, and so we are stuck with few options.

Buy more points
Go less days
reserve smaller units
skip years

All the things we were told would not happen.... Oh well
 
this is kinda what i expected.

so last year when they upped the points - got 50 more points instead of just 25.

guess should have say something here.

you might also consider what doing now - buying a home near WDW. the house prices have been the lowest in years. and some are expecting to get lower.

that say if worked had not retired me last May - would probably be alot more upset. So hoping to move in March (shortsale - bank has to March to reply) to the area.

despite the way the economy looks now - Orlando will come back and then the house prices will be way up there again.

moving there my present condo is on the market now. buying a house (my first one) there.

Man I like this plan :goodvibes

I am going to sell my wife on it. Quit my job, retire and move to Florida. Of course, she already thinks I need to seek professional help for my Disney addiction so not too sure how it will turn out.

If I fly you out, will you protect me? :cool2:
 
And I'm really bummed. My April trip went from 137 points for a MKV Sudio at BLT to 175 points. That means I either have to change my trip date from the last week in April to the first week in May... or change to a LV. (which the hubby wanted anyway) It's not that I don't have enough points... it's the principle of the thing.
Nancy :sad2:
 
I'm afraid I don't have time to read this whole thread. But I just compared the exact same vacations for 2011 that I have booked for 2010 (moving the dates to have the same number of weekend and weeknights.) Every stay was less points for 2011 with one exception - a mid August stay in a 2 BR at BCV. I think that's only because in 2011 we'd end up with one extra weekend night in Magic Season as opposed to Dream Season:

1 BR SV @ BWV
3/19 - 3/23/10: 140 pts
3/18 - 3/22/11: 130 pts

1 BR Concierge @ AKV
5/13 - 5/16/10: 139 pts
5/12 - 5/15/11: 132 pts

2 BR Lockoff @ BCV
8/14 - 8/18/10: 187 pts
8/13 - 8/17/11: 194 pts

1 BR LV @ BLT
8/18 - 8/22/10: 172 pts
8/17 - 8/21/11: 162 pts

All totalled, if we took the exact same trips next year, we would save 20 points. I should note that we very often visit for long weekends - we can only take week long trips in the summer when the kids are off school. I doubt we'll do the exact same trips next year, but we will likely do a couple of long weekends again, and a week sometime in the summer. Thankfully, the new point allotment doesn't seem to affect us all that much.
 
Whether folks want to admit it or not, this latest reallocation has caused the biggest reason to force people to add on, whether or not it was an intended purpose.

I'm sure it will lead to some add-ons. But I'm still not convinced that DVC stands to see any net gain from the reallocations.

DVC is no longer the great value it once was for weekday stays. Therefore I have every reason to believe they will consistently lose sales from people who would have become customers (members) if they were still selling the >2009 charts.

Every single person who "loses" under these changes is a testament to the fact that DVC economics are no longer what they were two years ago. That will undeniably have an impact on sales...not just down the road but in the here-and-now.

That said, it's difficult to even bring sales into the equation when the reallocation was so obviously needed. DVC has sold points in hundreds of villas on the presumption of 7-day per week occupancy. When most of those villas are only being filled 5 days per week, they really do have an obligation to correct the problem.

If there were some question of whether the system needed to be changed or not, I'd happily debate DVC's ulterior motives. But in this case there's zero doubt that the weekday/weekend costs were out of balance. Whether they stand to gain or lose sales is truly a moot point.

I don't mean to sound unsympathetic toward folks who are hurt by the changes, but leaving the system as unbalanced and...broken...as it has been would have been far more irresponsible than implementing these changes.
 
I'm afraid I don't have time to read this whole thread. But I just compared the exact same vacations for 2011 that I have booked for 2010 (moving the dates to have the same number of weekend and weeknights.) Every stay was less points for 2011 with one exception - a mid August stay in a 2 BR at BCV. I think that's only because in 2011 we'd end up with one extra weekend night in Magic Season as opposed to Dream Season:

1 BR SV @ BWV
3/19 - 3/23/10: 140 pts
3/18 - 3/22/11: 130 pts

1 BR Concierge @ AKV
5/13 - 5/16/10: 139 pts
5/12 - 5/15/11: 132 pts

2 BR Lockoff @ BCV
8/14 - 8/18/10: 187 pts
8/13 - 8/17/11: 194 pts

1 BR LV @ BLT
8/18 - 8/22/10: 172 pts
8/17 - 8/21/11: 162 pts

All totalled, if we took the exact same trips next year, we would save 20 points. I should note that we very often visit for long weekends - we can only take week long trips in the summer when the kids are off school. I doubt we'll do the exact same trips next year, but we will likely do a couple of long weekends again, and a week sometime in the summer. Thankfully, the new point allotment doesn't seem to affect us all that much.

The new point allotment will not affect you at all if you have this travel pattern. The changes affect people who have to (or choose to) travel weekdays and not weekends. The weekend points all dropped and weekday points raised.

So if you travel less than 7 days and always "long weekends" like you described, then you will benefit

If you travel 7 day trips (which of course include the weekend) you will pretty much break even.

If you travel less than 7 and no weekend OR if you travel 8-13 days with only one weekend you will pay more everytime.

IN a nutshell, that is the thread so far... :)

People like you saying woohoo!!

People like me saying "this stinks 2 years in a row!" :)
 


















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