DVC or Wyndham

For stays across a group of resorts... Bluegreen ...is a MUCH better trading value than wyndham.
I have no doubt that you're right, Dean. I know you know your stuff. But why?

When I look at the Wyndham resorts, most of them are beautiful. The Bluegreen resorts I looked at are...well, older.

Seems like the BG resorts would be less desireable. Is the better exchange value because of their location, the fact they are mostly 2- or 3-bedroom, or what?
 
Thanks for that link. The Primer is very helpful - sort of a Wyndham Points for Dummies, which is exactly what I needed.

The TUG link was helpful too, in a way. The "advice series" has a lot of information (as far as it goes) in a pretty redundant way -- sorta repetitious over and over, again and again, with a lot of duplication...if you get my meaning. If they took out about 1/3 of the words, it would be a much better piece. But it does cover the material in more depth.

Also, the guts of the advice -- the nuts and bolts stuff about how best to utilize your points -- is either not there yet, or it's hidden until you pony up $15...which would be really tacky if that's the answer. I'm not sure which, but I did see portions of the hidden chapters quoted in some of the other threads...:rolleyes1
I had the same problem when I was trying to learn about Wyndham. And if you ask questions, they are not as patient as DVCers. As my mother, a teacher, used to say, "Knowing something and knowing how to teach it are two different things." That being said, as a Wyndham (very few points) owner/DVC owner, I will say that:
1. It's a lot cheaper to buy into Wyndham--incredible deals can be found on ebay.
2. If you use the points, you can get very good vacations at very nice resorts, at good prices.
3. Wyndham is NOT owner friendly like DVC. For example, to bank points, not only is there a fee, but you must do it BEFORE the points are issued!
 
For example, to bank points, not only is there a fee, but you must do it BEFORE the points are issued!
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The fee is $39.00 and the Wyndham banked points are good for an additional 3 years from the date you bank them. Not 1 year as DVC does.
 
For example, to bank points, not only is there a fee, but you must do it BEFORE the points are issued!
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The fee is $39.00 and the Wyndham banked points are good for an additional 3 years from the date you bank them. Not 1 year as DVC does.

True. But Wyndham also has house keeping points. If you want to let a guest use your reservation, there is also a charge. You are charged a "transaction fee" every time you call and make a reservation or change a reservation or transfer points (granted, you get a certain number "free"-as you do housekeeping points-depending on how many points you have). My point is, it is just not as "transparent" as DVC.
 

True. But Wyndham also has house keeping points. If you want to let a guest use your reservation, there is also a charge. You are charged a "transaction fee" every time you call and make a reservation or change a reservation or transfer points (granted, you get a certain number "free"-as you do housekeeping points-depending on how many points you have). My point is, it is just not as "transparent" as DVC.
From what I've seen so far, it's not a matter of transparency, it's just a more complex system. There is good and bad in complexity -- yes, there's a steeper learning curve, but a lot of those complicated aspects of the system give it more power than DVC may have.

For example, they charge you fees for some things DVC does free.
  • But I would gladly pay $39 to bank a whole years worth of points for THREE years.
  • They charge you above a certain number of phone calls, but that's because they want you to use their free ONLINE BOOKING SYSTEM which DVC doesn't have at all.
  • They charge much more ($189, I believe) for RCI exchanges, but you have access to the entire RCI network of properties, AND you have the ability to get bargain exchanges, not just one flat-rate points value like DVC. In fact, sometimes you can get exchanges for 1/2 to 1/5 the regular number of points.
For WDW accommodations, I don't think you can beat DVC. But for other than WDW, some of the other systems offer real value. Like DVC, however, you have to go to school to learn their systems.
 
From what I've seen so far, it's not a matter of transparency, it's just a more complex system. There is good and bad in complexity -- yes, there's a steeper learning curve, but a lot of those complicated aspects of the system give it more power than DVC may have.

They charge much more ($189, I believe) for RCI exchanges, but you have access to the entire RCI network of properties, AND you have the ability to get bargain exchanges, not just one flat-rate points value like DVC. In fact, sometimes you can get exchanges for 1/2 to 1/5 the regular number of points.[/LIST]For WDW accommodations, I don't think you can beat DVC. But for other than WDW, some of the other systems offer real value. Like DVC, however, you have to go to school to learn their systems.
Yes, they do have tremendous bargains for late bookings. However, for these you must be a points owner, not a week owner. Now, I DO get 49,000 points a year. But for their purposes, I am considered a weeks owner! Therefore, not only do I not qualify for those bargains, but I my trades to RCI are also considered weeks trades, which leads to other problems, such as not being able to book on-line, and thus incurring an extra fee from Wyndham for phone calls! I'm not knocking Wyndham if you use it correctly--I'm just saying they make things very complicated, and not for the benefit of the owners. For example, owners used to be able to rent points to each other. (Great if you had points left over at the end of the year that you would otherwise lose.) Wyndham ended this last year, so you must rent the points at inflated prices from them, and any points you have left over are lost.
 
Wow this is great since just last night I found Wyndham vacations and was curious about it. The thing is...the place I really like is listed as an "Associate" hotel. What does that mean? Does that mean I can't buy into that one? Do you have a Home resort like DVC?
 
One of the things we are looking forward to is staying DVC Resorts for a month or longer when we retire. The studio option really lets empty nesters enjoy nice long stays at DVC for a low cost. Needless to say that the rooms are small but with the community space that is available it is no big deal. We also like to walk and Disney is a dream come true for walkers.

How many points would be needed to enjoy long stays at Wyndham and would Wyndham be a good choice if long stays were our goal?

What I would really like to have is the ability to be in a warmer climate for 2 or 3 months in the winter. I don't have to use timeshares for all of it either. I plan on using timeshares in combination with rentals. However would Wyndham be a good addition to DVC to help us achieve this goal?
 
One of the things we are looking forward to is staying DVC Resorts for a month or longer when we retire. The studio option really lets empty nesters enjoy nice long stays at DVC for a low cost. Needless to say that the rooms are small but with the community space that is available it is no big deal. We also like to walk and Disney is a dream come true for walkers.

How many points would be needed to enjoy long stays at Wyndham and would Wyndham be a good choice if long stays were our goal?

What I would really like to have is the ability to be in a warmer climate for 2 or 3 months in the winter. I don't have to use timeshares for all of it either. I plan on using timeshares in combination with rentals. However would Wyndham be a good addition to DVC to help us achieve this goal?
For example, if you wantewd to stay at Bonnet Creek, which is a beautiful resort within WDW, the points for a 1 bedroom per week are:
Weeks 1-6 and 51-52: 126,000
Weeks 7-14: 166,000
Weeks 15-19: 84,00
That being said, I have seen on ebay large points packages for Bonnet Creek selling for a mere few hundred dollars. A 308,000 point package was up recently for $1, and had no bids! Just watch out for the maintenance fees, which total a substantial amount with a lot of points. For example, the 308,000 points MF is $1,476.
 
I have no doubt that you're right, Dean. I know you know your stuff. But why?

When I look at the Wyndham resorts, most of them are beautiful. The Bluegreen resorts I looked at are...well, older.

Seems like the BG resorts would be less desireable. Is the better exchange value because of their location, the fact they are mostly 2- or 3-bedroom, or what?
Because Wyndham chooses the resort and week deposited where with BG, you can chose the week and resort and it acts like a fixed week deposit. You can get cheap or you can get stront trade power based on your choices. As for resort desirability I think BG has a couple that are above Wyndham which puts you back to the idea that you get to chose the resort to deposit based on availability of course. Also several trade with II and RCI so you work both sides. I've also used BG as points for deposit to RCI points.
 
Yes, they do have tremendous bargains for late bookings. However, for these you must be a points owner, not a week owner. Now, I DO get 49,000 points a year. But for their purposes, I am considered a weeks owner! Therefore, not only do I not qualify for those bargains, but I my trades to RCI are also considered weeks trades, which leads to other problems, such as not being able to book on-line, and thus incurring an extra fee from Wyndham for phone calls!
What kind of Wyndham do you own: Fixed week, converted fixed week, or Undivided Interest?

Those ownership options are one of the most confusing things for me -- and you have to get it right before you buy!
 
What kind of Wyndham do you own: Fixed week, converted fixed week, or Undivided Interest?

Those ownership options are one of the most confusing things for me -- and you have to get it right before you buy!

I have points--I am issued 49,000 points on January 1 of every year. However, I am considered a weeks owner! I must log into the "weeks" part of the Wyndham website, and have a "weeks" member phone number to call. However, I do not have a week. Beats me why this is done this way
 
Although possible, it is hard to trade into DVC with Wyndham points. I can always find availability using Hilton Grand Vacationpoints but never successful with Wyndham. Of course, I don't try all that often so this is based on limited experience. Also, with Wyndham, you have to call to check RCI availability.

David



Thanks for your reply :)
 
What I would really like to have is the ability to be in a warmer climate for 2 or 3 months in the winter. I don't have to use timeshares for all of it either. I plan on using timeshares in combination with rentals. However would Wyndham be a good addition to DVC to help us achieve this goal?

With Wyndham points you get a "weeks" account with RCI. The RCI account is paid for through your Wyndham maintenance fees. This is a full access RCI account and I can even add other non Wyndham resorts to this weeks account, too. Be aware there are a few Wyndham resorts that are Interval International affiliated (you have to know what you are buying).

I sometimes book RCI's cash deals - the "Last Calls" and "Extra Vacations" for our trips to Orlando. So if you wanted to take extra trips above and beyond using your DVC points or Wyndham points, there's always the cash deals you have access to with a full RCI weeks account.

I also have an Interval International account (from other timeshare ownerships) that I use to book Interval's cash Getaways, too, for extra trips. I usually pay anywhere from $35 to $70 a night for 1 and 2 bedroom condos in Orlando.
 
Littlestar - with Wyndham, are you limited to booking only weeks if you have points, or can you book a night or two at a time like we can with DVC? (I don't mean paying a weeks worth of points but only using a few days -- I mean paying with points day by day)

Or is Wyndham part one way (weeks only) part another (points only), and a hybrid where you have a week, but if you don't want to use that week, you can also use points???
 
Littlestar - with Wyndham, are you limited to booking only weeks if you have points, or can you book a night or two at a time like we can with DVC? (I don't mean paying a weeks worth of points but only using a few days -- I mean paying with points day by day)

Or is Wyndham part one way (weeks only) part another (points only), and a hybrid where you have a week, but if you don't want to use that week, you can also use points???

If you are a points owner, you can book even a single day. For example, I went to Bonnet Creek in September for my birthday, and booked 4 nights. Just be aware: even though the salesweasels will tell you how wonderful it is to take multiple weekend or short vacations, EVERY TIME you book a vacation, whether for 1 day or 1 month, you are charged both a "transaction fee" and "housekeeping points." You are charged a weeks housekeeping points even if you stay only 1 day.
 
If you are a points owner, you can book even a single day. For example, I went to Bonnet Creek in September for my birthday, and booked 4 nights. Just be aware: even though the salesweasels will tell you how wonderful it is to take multiple weekend or short vacations, EVERY TIME you book a vacation, whether for 1 day or 1 month, you are charged both a "transaction fee" and "housekeeping points." You are charged a weeks housekeeping points even if you stay only 1 day.

Ditto what was said above. Unlike DVC, with Wyndham you have to watch your transaction fees and housekeeping credits for short trips. And for higher/peak season travel, Wyndham has some rules about check-in days (like needing to be a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday or for so many days).

Something I really like with Wyndham (since I travel off season) is that they sometimes reduce the points required when you get within about two months of check-in. Here's an online snapshot of some discounts that Wyndham offered last January and February for Bonnet Creek (this was in December):

Check-In Nights Unit Type Details Points Discount
Points
JANUARY
01/08/2010 3 1 Bedroom Deluxe 66,000 49,500
01/08/2010 3 1 Bedroom Deluxe 66,000 49,500

Click to see details.
01/08/2010 3 2 Bedroom Deluxe 98,600 73,950
01/08/2010 3 2 Bedroom Deluxe 98,600 73,950
01/08/2010 3 2 Bedroom Deluxe 98,600 77,750
Note: Transaction combines two reservations and may require a room change.

This one is weekday check in:

02/07/2010 3 1 Bedroom Deluxe 45,000 36,000
02/07/2010 3 1 Bedroom Deluxe 45,000 36,000
02/07/2010 3 2 Bedroom Deluxe 67,800 54,240
02/07/2010 3 2 Bedroom Deluxe 67,800 54,240
02/07/2010 3 2 Bedroom Deluxe 67,800 54,240
02/07/2010 3 2 Bedroom Deluxe 67,800 54,240
02/07/2010 3 3 Bedroom 84,000 67,200
 
If you are a points owner, you can book even a single day. For example, I went to Bonnet Creek in September for my birthday, and booked 4 nights. Just be aware: even though the salesweasels will tell you how wonderful it is to take multiple weekend or short vacations, EVERY TIME you book a vacation, whether for 1 day or 1 month, you are charged both a "transaction fee" and "housekeeping points." You are charged a weeks housekeeping points even if you stay only 1 day.
To me, that's fair. If I stay a week, they thoroughly clean the villa once. If I stay only one night, they still have to completely clean the villa before the next person arrives. Same thing with transaction fees -- there's no difference in the MS time spent making a one-night reservation or a two-week reservation. It's one transaction, one fee. If I choose to make 5-6 transactions a year rather than 1-2, I should pay more.

We pay for those things with DVC too, we just pay them as aggregate costs spread evenly among all of the owners through our annual dues.
 
We are looking into buying into DVC...but everyone is saying it is not good for RCI exchanges...because of the value
If Wyndam is not great at allowing you to get into a DVC resort...then what is the top ones for allowing you the Disney experience for when you want to go to Orlando, but is also easy to trade to other locations as well??

My folks have the Sheraton Vistana and it was impossible to trade! We couldnt get into Myrtle, Hilton Head, Charelston or Hershey (can you tell we were really flexible??) We ended up having to stay...in ORLANDO not DVC
 
We are looking into buying into DVC...but everyone is saying it is not good for RCI exchanges...because of the value
If Wyndam is not great at allowing you to get into a DVC resort...then what is the top ones for allowing you the Disney experience for when you want to go to Orlando, but is also easy to trade to other locations as well??

My folks have the Sheraton Vistana and it was impossible to trade! We couldnt get into Myrtle, Hilton Head, Charelston or Hershey (can you tell we were really flexible??) We ended up having to stay...in ORLANDO not DVC
There is no one answer. Wyndham is likely the best to do what you say because of Bonnet Creek but will not trade well to DVC unless you have the VIP options that allows you to trade points AND your points are not based in Orlando. Bluegreen is likely a better choice to trade to DVC but there are no guarantees. A good week at one of the Marriott's that trade in RCI (none Orlando) should be a good option as well. Worldmark points may be another consideration, likely more expensive but more consistent in getting DVC.

For Orlando, Wyndham as Bonnet Creek, Bluegreen has The Fountains, Marriott has several great resorts, Vistana has the 2 resorts. IMO the Worldmark, Summer Bay and Holiday Inn options are second rate compared to the others. RCI points not based on Orlando might actually be the best option for many.

There is no one best answer as you've got to look at the overall package, budget, personal expectations, etc. For me if I could just keep one system that I own and not the rest, BG would likely be it due to it's value. I am able to consistently trade for DVC if I make good deposits, The Fountains is a top notch resort with a GREAT pool, it trades with II and RCI and their points system is likely more flexible and user friendly than is DVC's. My second choice for what I currently own is Marriott due to the quality and location of their resorts but at a MUCH higher price. Ultimately every option has pluses and minuses that one must decide how they fit in to their own situation.
 















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