DVC for dummies?

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I have read the pages. I guess my lack of understanding is not knowing much about time shares. I know we have friends that belon to the DVC, but she doesn't seem interested in taking the time to "inform" me.

We *adore* Disney. I love that it gives my pecial needs child a chance to feel "normal". We went in 04 and 06 and will be leaving Saturday. We would love to go more often, but have not thus far.

I want to *undersstand* the DVC. I need spelled out what it is and how it works and how much it would cost and how much (if any) we would end up saving over time?!

Is there a dummies spot I am missing? Something in my head doesn't seem to be clicking.

Thanks in advance for any help! I would like more information before we leave, but I always hate taking time out of my vacation to be "educated".

Thanks again,
mykidsintow
 
AS far as whether it will save you money, it depends uon your normal vacaton habits. If you normally stay onsite at a Deluxe resort, yes, over time it will save you over the cost of a deluxe room. If you normally stay (and are happy) in a Value resort, DVC likely won't be cost effective.

And don't misinterpret my post. There is NOTHING wrong with value resorts, we stay at POP to extend our DVC stays...but for extended trips we are more comfortable in a villa.

Basically the system works like this:

You purchase a contract, an ownership interest, in a building or unit. But unlike a traditional timeshare, you are not assigned a specific week in a specific unit. Instead, your "week" is represented by a number of points that you receive every year. You decide what size of accomodation you'd like, when you want to ravel, and which DVC resort you want to stay at. You then reserve that villa using those points.

Like all timeshares, resort operating costs, taxes, and refurbishment costs are divided amongst the owners. These are our annual dues. These dues also include a covers the cost of Member Services, member accounting and other managerial fees.
 
Give Disney X amount of money.

Each year Disney will give you "points". The more $ you give Disney up front when you buy, the more points they will give you each year.

When you get your points, you use them to rent rooms from Disney. Each year you get more points.

Every year you pay taxes and dues.

When you buy, you pick which resort is your home resort. At your home resort you can book a trip as far as 11 mths in advance. You are able to book at Disney resorts that are not your home resort 7 mths in advance.

That is the dummy version.
 
*thank you*! I understand!

Was there a time where you did not buy into a certain resort? I know our friends have never mentioned a "home resort", but I do know different accomodations cost different (I have seen their book on how much XYZ would cost).

We camp a lot. However when we go to Disney we prefer to go in a bit more style. We stayed at AKL last trip and enjoyed that. We will be at POLY this trip for 4 nights. We picked POLY because of the ease of the monorail (think 4 yr old driving power wheelchair and service dog, etc). Its easier to jump on the monorail than get nasty looks as we skip line to get her chair on first and more nasty looks because we *caused* those people 5 valuable minutes of their trip using the lift and getting it tied down properly etc.


We currently have 2 children, but that number also changes. It would be nice to have our main resort one that sleeps at least 5.

So at what point in talking to them on our trip will they actually break down cost/point options for us? How many years do you need to be going before you see the initial cost?

Thanks again!
 

So at what point in talking to them on our trip will they actually break down cost/point options for us? How many years do you need to be going before you see the initial cost?

Thanks again!

As far as your second question, my guesstimate is around 7 years before you will recoup your original purchase. This figure is based on a comparison with a deluxe Disney resort.

They will show you the points charts and ask you what kind of vacation you want to take. That will basically determine how many points you need. The minimum purchase through Disney is 160 points. You could also purchase a resale if you want. Disney is currently selling Animal Kingdom Villas and Saratoga Springs Resort.

I also have a special child. He is my Disney buddy. I purchased DVC in part so that he and I would have something to plan and look forward to every year. It's been great for us so far.
 
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Was there a time where you did not buy into a certain resort?

A resort is built, it is then sold, once it is sold out you can NOT buy that resort. Now while that is happening, people who have bought in the past are wanting to sell, so you can always buy any resort on the 2ndary mkt (resales). Many people myself included have bought all their points this way, as quite often it is cheaper to do it this way.




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It would be nice to have our main resort one that sleeps at least 5.

Keep in mind all resorts have "rooms" that will sleep 12, and they have rooms that will only sleep 4. So your home resort has no bearing on the # of people who can stay in your party. Remember you get points each year, so one year you may use your points to get a room that can sleep 12 and it will take all your points to spend 4 days at the resort. The next year you might use your points to get a room that only sleeps 4 and spend 2 weeks at WDW.

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So at what point in talking to them on our trip will they actually break down cost/point options for us? How many years do you need to be going before you see the initial cost?

Thanks again!

You will know 45 mins into the presentation what it cost.

How many years? Well I could show you that it never pays for it's self, and that it isn't a "good deal". I could also show you that after 6-9 years it becomes a good deal and pays for it's self. Math and fuzzy numbers allow both sides to be accurate. I didn't buy DVC to save $, it doesn't save me $. I bought so that I KNEW I would take the time to spend with my family at WDW.
 
How many years? Well I could show you that it never pays for it's self, and that it isn't a "good deal". I could also show you that after 6-9 years it becomes a good deal and pays for it's self. Math and fuzzy numbers allow both sides to be accurate. I didn't buy DVC to save $, it doesn't save me $. I bought so that I KNEW I would take the time to spend with my family at WDW.


Awsome point!

The people we know that have it... It does force them to take time out for their family. I think otherwise they may not. However, the dad seems none too happy with the setup. I think their extended family has 4 seperate timeshares in all.

I do think regardless of being DVC members we will still spend time there. I would prefer twice a yr, but a its been going it seems we are making it every 2 yrs. We are hoping to go back in Oct for a week.

Thanks again!
 
Your travel habits make you a prime candidate for Disney. As stated before, the real question boils down to how much do you want to spend for/on Disney. Timeshares are one of the best ways to enjoy multi-room accommodations at a reasonable cost. That being said, a multi room accommodation is a luxury. Saving money by these purchases is like saving money on a perpetual lease of a Mercedes when you could just but a Toyota.

P.S. I like DVC and yes Mercedes and Toyota as well.
 
We have a special needs child too and it is one of the reasons we purchased. WDW is an ideal place in that situation. Here are some of the basics:

1. I will use the new Animal Kingdom Villas as an example since it is one of the resorts at which we own and one currently available for purchase from Disney. Currently the AKV is the 5th and 6th floors of the Animal Kingdom Lodge (the hotel). DVC converted those floors from the hotel to DVC rooms. There will be a new, huge building there called the Kidani which will be all DVC and that is scheduled to open in 2009.

2. When you purchase, you get a deed that gives you a small percentage interest of ownership in a "unit" at AKV (which consists of a couple or few rooms) and a percentage ownership interest in the common elements (everything at the resort outside the rooms which is not specifically the AKL hotel run by Disney; the common elements include the pool, savannas, hallways, lobby, the outside areas and all those dang trees out in front). That is a very similar process to buying a condo.

3. Your ownership interest is represented by "points." Points are sacred, they are the meaning of life, they are things that you will think about constantly and pine for more. But legally they have no monetary value -- your real estate interest represented by the points does -- but for the rest of your DVC life you will need to believe that they are the most valuable things in the world, because points control your whole DVC world.

4. The current minimum purchase through Disney is 160 points (you actually buy the percentage real estate interest represented by that). At AKV, the price is $104 a point. However, Disney is an intelligent marketer. If you buy, you automatically get $8 per point off at AKV. Thus, purchasers are immediately convinced they are getting a discount. That kind of marketing works to sell more than they would if they just said it is $96 a point (hell, it worked on me). That means current buy in price is $15,040. I believe new purchasers also pay closing costs which can add $300 to $500 more. You actually go through a closing just like any real estate sale but you don't have to go to the closing, DVC takes care of all of that. With decent credit rating, they will finance (mortgage) for up to ten years. You can buy any amount of points above 160.

5. When you buy, you also get a "use year" designated by a starting month, for example, February or March or December or others. If you bought now, you will probably get a September or October use year. Let's just assume here that you get a September use year.

6. An important point before continuing. Unlike buying a condominium or a home, your DVC ownership will die. A day will come when it is taken back by Disney. That day for AKV is January 31, 2057. So buy now and you will own for 49 years and then you will be left out in the street, evicted, stripped, and denied all further access. They will not give a dime of compensation when that happens. it is all spelled in the offical documents you get when you buy. Those documents are voluminous, written by lawyers and difficult to read. By 2057, you might be able to digest them.

7. With a September use year, you get an annual allotment of 160 points put into your DVC account on September 1 of every year. You don't pay for them ever again, they just go into your account once a year. If you buy now, you would actually get backdated points to Sep of last year (or October if that is the month they are selling now). In other words, you start out with some points that have already been around for several months just waiting for someone like you to come along and grab them.

8. What you do with those points is reserve rooms. You can go any time of year. But points required vary among times of year and days of the week (Fri and Sat nights are higher than Sun thru Thurs). If you go to the top of this page, you will find "DVC Point Charts." When you get a chance go take a look at those for AKV. How many points are needed to reserve a room depends on time of year, day of week, type of room (studio, 1BR, 2BR, 3BR Grand Villa), whther it is "value" (these are smaller than normal rooms), "standard" view (regular size but view of pool or parking lot), "savanna" view (view of the savanna), "concierge" (yes, actual concierge service rooms, a handful at AKV).

9. Generally, what does 160 points get you in any year? A studio for a week to two weeks depending on time of year and category of room, a 1BR for a week sometimes of year in a value but a week and usually less in other categories. So in buying points, you look at when you might usually like to go, size of room you would like, and check out the points chart and start doing some calculations for what is needed. Then when you realize you can't really afford to buy enough points to go all year long and stay in a 2BR concierge, you come back to reality and decide how many points you can really afford to purchase and what you will actually get annually for that.

10. Now for how to reserve with those points. You can call to reserve for home resort 11 months in advance of intended time of check out from the resort. There are also other DVC resorts and you can stay at those and use your AKV points for those, but you can't call to reserve until 7 months in advance of intended check-out date. This is the home resort advantage -- at AKV you get to reserve times before anyone from another DVC resort can call.

11. Note, you don't have to be in the applicable use year to call and reserve a time in that year. Always remember you can call to reserve 11 months out at home resort (7 at others). For example, let's assume its June 2008 and you would like to reserve May time 2009 using points to be issued Sep 08, You call in June and reserve the time and those points are then used for that 2009 trip. That trip falls within your Sep 2008 use year, which runs from Sep 1, 2008 to August 31, 2009, so those points are actually "current" use year points for that trip. To determine whether you are using current points you look to when you go not when you call to reserve. So never confuse use year with when you can call to reserve (always 11 or 7 months out) or when you can go (any time of year).

12. Moreover, you might never stay in the unit you actually buy. You can stay in any room and you are assigned one by DVC for the trip.

13. Points issued for a use year must be used for a trip which ends in that use year UNLESS:

14. Let's suppose you have points issued Sep 2007 which expire Aug 31, 2008, but dire circumstances prevent from going until after Aug 2008 (it must be dire circumstances for anyone to have to wait that long to go). You can bank those points into your Sep 08 use year as long as you do it by the end of your eighth month in the use year (April 30 for a Sep use year). Those points once bank must be used in that Sep 08 through Aug 09 use year but essentially you will have double the points for that year.

15, You can also "borrow" points. Assume you make a ressie for July 08 using your 160 points issued Sep 07 but you really need 20 more points to get what you really want. You can reserve with those 07 points and borrow 20 from Sep 08 use year. Of course, doing so means you will have only 140 left to use in that Sep 08 to Aug 09 year.


16. Once you bank or borrow points you cannot undue the choice -- the banked points stay in the next year and can't be brought back, the borrowed points stay in the current use year and can't be sent back for use in their original year.

17. You have the option of trading out (using your points) to non-DVC resorts including other Disney hotels and resorts almost everywhere.

18. The points you need for a DVC room won't change annually (except that higher Easter and Thanskgiving times change dates annually). There is an exception that has to do with DVC reserving the right to reallocate points -- lowering them one time of year while raising them an equal amount at another trime. If DVC does that (and it has done so only once years ago at OKW) it must keep the total points applicable to the resort the same. They really won't do it except to meet a sea change in demand for times of year.

19. You don't get to escape paying anything after you first buy. You must pay annual dues. Like a condo, there are costs associated with the resort chargeable to you -- such as property insurance, maintenance, repairs, all those employees working at the resort, annual prperty taxes, reserves for futrue major repairs -- roofs have to be replaced sometime). At AKV, I cannot remember exactly but they are currently in the $4.80 per point per year range. Those can and do go up annually as costs rise annualy (you can't keep paying an employee $6 an hour forever).

20. As a DVC member, you do not get daily maid service. Instead, on the fourth day you are there they do a little trash and towel service, cleaning up a little, taking out the trash, and giving you new towels, soaps, others. If you are there 8 nights you do actually get a full cleaning service the fourth day. You can also purchase daily maid service for a fee (in the $40 to $60 range per day depending on room size) and you can get extra towels, other stuff for a fee. Also, with AKV concierge, you in fact get daily maid service as part of the point cost.
 
Ok my head is totally spinning.

So IF we purchased 160 points. We would then pay taxes and fees of 768 bucks/yr in addition to the first $16,000.

I can see where over time it would end up adding to meet your intial expense. It would sure take a *lot* of Disney trips. Does my husband even have that much vacation time?

We could stay at moderate resorts on short trips and never begin to come close to ever spending that much money at Disney. So I see what others have said about it possibly not being worth it, should we decide to take the more cnservative vacations. Tho I must admit I do love to indulge at Disney!

Thanks so much for that very detailed post! I really completely understand now!!!!

Thanks!
 
Not to confuse you more but you also have the option of buying resale which is a way to Become a DVC member by buying points from a broker. This is the only way you can buy less than 160 points if you are not currently a DVC member. Please see other post on pro/cons of resale. But wait a day as that will make you head spin a little more.

I mention resale because based on your previous post you mention traveling in 04,06, and now 08. Through resale you can purchase 80 DVC points at any one of the DVC resorts. With 80 points you will pay approx $400/ year in Maint Fees(resort dependant) and approx $8000 buy in (resort and closing cost dependant) With the ability to bank points. You can go to WDW every other year and and have 160 points to use the year you decide to go.

This will get in in at a lower cost and "get your feet wet" If you like DVC you can always buy more points.
 
Thanks! I had actually considered that option. I think we would like to go more often. I was looking at resale 100 points.

I finally get it! I think its *clicking*.

Oh and hi neighbor! We are just south of Lexington, KY. Its good to see a Disney fanatic so close! :)
 
Ok my head is totally spinning.

So IF we purchased 160 points. We would then pay taxes and fees of 768 bucks/yr in addition to the first $16,000.

I can see where over time it would end up adding to meet your intial expense. It would sure take a *lot* of Disney trips. Does my husband even have that much vacation time?

We could stay at moderate resorts on short trips and never begin to come close to ever spending that much money at Disney. So I see what others have said about it possibly not being worth it, should we decide to take the more cnservative vacations. Tho I must admit I do love to indulge at Disney!

Thanks so much for that very detailed post! I really completely understand now!!!!

Thanks!

Don't look at future costs as it's all based on inflation. DVC is the best hedge against inflation. It wasn't that long ago when a moderate resort was about $50/night. If it's $120/night today, then in 20 years from now, at 3% anual inflation, it'll be well over $200/night. The points for DVC rooms basically remains unchanged, only the dues go up. If a Studio is 12 pts/night, and dues are $4.25/point, then you're 'paying' $51/night for the room. At the same 3% inflation, in 20 years you're 'paying' $92/night. It's the difference between the two where the savings come in. Eventually, after anywhere from 7 to 9 years, that difference makes up for your initial up-front costs. After that it's pure savings. And don't forget that over time your salary will probably go up, so that $92/night is no larger a bite out of your budget than $51 is today.

Now the caveat is that's comparing a Studio to a Hotel room, the closest comparison there is, even though the Studio is much better than a Moderate's hotel room. But when you start using your points for 1-b/r, or 2-b/r villas, then you get to the point where you're not 'saving' money, but you are getting much better accommodations for the same amount of money. That's the real value of DVC. Over time you get much better for the same money, or even less money, than staying in a Disney hotel room.

Hope that makes sense.
 
We could stay at moderate resorts on short trips and never begin to come close to ever spending that much money at Disney. So I see what others have said about it possibly not being worth it, should we decide to take the more cnservative vacations. Tho I must admit I do love to indulge at Disney!
Bear in mind that once your initial cost is paid off, you are able to go for the cost of the maintenance fees alone. Also, remember that you are able to amortize the cost of the original purchase price over the 50 years of the contract. That makes it seem like a "deal" over stayin in a moderate every year for a few days. Also, many of us use DVC to get extra pre-paid accommodations at Disney each year. Prior to joining DVC 11 years ago, we were traveling to WDW about every other year and staying in either a moderate or deluxe on-site resort. Once we bought into DVC, we started going annually, and after nearly doubling our points, we started going 2-3 times a year. Our pattern is to maximize our Annual Pass purchases by going 2-3 times in one consecutive 366 day period, and then hold off for 6+ months, and buy new APs and start the process over again.

The original question was if DVC would save money. Well, maybe not when you tend to travel more, but it does save on the accommodations for those trips, and it's probably the single best money we have ever spent in our 40 years of marriage.
 
IMO it saves you money per trip if you would have stayed at a deluxe resort every trip anyhow. If you would have stayed off site or at a mod if not a DVC member then there is no way it would save you $.

For the cost of most members dues/taxes they could rent a 2000 sq foot home for a full week off site, one time per year, and still have the 20k up front cost in the bank.

So like I said, I wouldn't buy DVC with my main objective to be saving $.

Disney doesn't sell DVC to lower peoples cost of coming to Disney. They sell DVC to get people to come and come and come again, which in the long run will make the owner spend MORE $ at Disney then ever would have dreamed they would.

Without DVC there is no way my family would even consider going to WDW 3 times over a 2 year time frame. We would go maybe once every 3-4 years or so, and vacation other places the other times.
 
I would recommend a 100 point resale to, as cincinmouse says, "get your feet wet". It seems that you are still thinking and re-thinking the initial cost ... which can be substantial.

100 points can get you in a Studio for 5 days any time of the year and 6 or 7 days at the cheaper times of the year. It can get you in a 1BR every other year as a 1BR is double the price of a studio. Right now you have a family of 4, so the studio will work for you. It would continue to work for you until your 3rd child is 3. Since you don't have a 3rd child yet, the 100 points should keep you fat and happy until the rumored Contemporary DVC comes on line in a couple of years (*knock wood*). The advantage of the Contemporary is that it is a monorail hotel :cool1:. No other DVC resort is a monorail hotel, so if you end up falling in love with the monorail you will have to wait for the Contemporary.
 
15, You can also "borrow" points. Assume you make a ressie for July 08 using your 160 points issued Sep 07 but you really need 20 more points to get what you really want. You can reserve with those 07 points and borrow 40 from Sep 08 use year. Of course, doing means you will jhave only 120 left to use in that Sep 08 to Aug 09 year.



18. The points you need for a DVC room won't change annually (except that higher Easter and Thanskgiving times change dates annually). There is an exception that has to do with DVC reserving the right to reallocate points -- lowering them one time year while raising them an equal amount at another trime. If DVC does that (and it has done so only once years ago at OKW) it must keep the total points applicable to the resort the same. They really won't do it except to meet a sea change in demand for times of year.


15- I assume you meant you if you needed 20 points you only had to borrow 20 points?:confused3

18- I know they had a set "total" number of points, but I was under the assumption they did move the points around fairly consitantly (every couple of years) Like they would charge one less point per day for peak season and add one point during value season
 
IMO it saves you money per trip if you would have stayed at a deluxe resort every trip anyhow. If you would have stayed off site or at a mod if not a DVC member then there is no way it would save you $.

well, i bought a 40 pt contract so i could stay 5 nights a year in a studio at OKW during the holidays. my cost works out to less than $60 a night, taxes included. if you can avoid weekends - and i understand that many people can't - the savings can be considerable regardless of the comparison.

but you are correct that disney's main point with DVC is to guarantee repeat customers.

18- I know they had a set "total" number of points, but I was under the assumption they did move the points around fairly consitantly (every couple of years) Like they would charge one less point per day for peak season and add one point during value season

nope. they will move points around to track moving holidays like easter and thanksgiving, but the seasonal points for DVC resorts is pretty constant (1 change in the history of DVC, 12 years ago at OKW.)
 
Without DVC there is no way my family would even consider going to WDW 3 times over a 2 year time frame. We would go maybe once every 3-4 years or so, and vacation other places the other times.

Jim,

That's why I tell people, who are interested in the DVC, that every person/family is different. My wife and I have been going to Disney every year since we got married. We didn't look into the DVC until after our 4th trip and bought.

In our mind, we are already going every year and staying at Deluxe accommodations and REFUSE to stay off property and we are resort snobs so Disney didn't really have to do a hard sale. The DVC wasn't changing our vacation pattern.

Unfortunately, we use all our points for one big trip and extra trips (eg MouseFest) are paid for at Rack Rate.
 
Thank you everyone for such a great intro to DVC! Like OP, I had done a lot of lurking and reading and been through the FAQ and the brochures we got at our WDW trip on November. And, I was still so confused. This really cleared things up.

One more question though... DH is not quite as much of a Disney fanatic as I am. But, the timeshare idea definitely intrigued him. Anyone have any tips on threads where people discuss experiences w/ other associated trips or resorts that are non-Disney? I think DH could be interested if we could also take other vacations every once in a while. (Think he'd go for like once every 10 yrs? :rotfl: )
 











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