DVC coming to Caribbean Beach Resort?

[ziravan]

Nothing like a deluxe timeshare resort themed as an impoverished desert wasteland.

Really, Star Wars is probably too specific of a theme for a resort. It would have to have a more broad appeal.

I don't think so. By the time built, it'll be the 11th or 12th WDW DVC.

That's enough variety to do something very specific. And Star Wars themed would bring people in who otherwise would never consider DVC.

I'm not saying they would theme it Star Wars. But they could. What's the point of owning IP if you're not going to maximize it?

 

[Deb & Bill]

And it is close to WWoS for all the running fans.

 

[DebbieB]

I think the buy in cost would be at the same level as other DVC resorts when it opens. If it was cheaper it would not be fair to be able to trade into the other resorts, that would be a mess. Possibly less points per night if the amenities are less. But I wouldn't assume amenities would be less just because it's near CBR. If it doesn't have direct park access, then less points per night similar to OKW or SSR would make sense.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I'm saying it wouldn't work for DVC. They'd need to average less than 9 points per night for studio to come in under their current deluxe lowest price at AKV value.

At 7-8 points a night that's 70 points or less for a week. How do they sell 150 point contracts like that?

Trying to sell 4 million points 70 points at a time sounds like a disaster.

And what do you do with 50,000 new owners with 70 points? They can't effectively trade out so 7 month booking is only a theoretical option.

So. They're all booking CBR while 500,000 other DVC owners are trying to save points by getting into CBR at 7 months.

There's too much mismatch to the current system to charge the same price per point but fewer points per night. It doesn't fit with CBR owners - who own fewer points - booking out, and it doesn't fit with DVC point hogs trying to save points by booking in.

It would be a disaster. The 7 month booking window has to be a practical option, on both sides of the equation. It wouldn't be if DVC created 8 pts/night studios.

No. If they build it, it'll be a deluxe with deluxe buy in pricing and deluxe points per night.

Well, I think you would get a mix of folks wanting cheaper (less point) rooms, and folks wanting to trade at 7 months to the higher points. I don't think you'd need to price it much below the current cheapest rooms now. Lower the buy in point amount and who cares?? The folks that have the other resorts can do their thing as they never expected a mod to open anyway. I really believe it would balance.

MG

 

[SpaceMountain77]

Another site is suggesting that Barbados would be razed. Depending on your site of choice, proposed construction is leaning toward one of three areas: Barbados, Trinidad North & Trinidad South, or south of Jamaica. Although some are suggesting only one parcel of land will be used for an annex, what if the CBR DVC addition will include multiple structures throughout the resort? To maximize the number of points that can be sold, perhaps DVC will build the 7-story tower in the area that is currently Barbados and over-the-water style bungalows south of Jamaica. Moreover, there may be dining and amenity enhancements planned for the overall resort.

I am not anticipating a simple tower, but an Extreme Makeover: Resort Edition, given the signs.

 

[Dean]

The problem with this is DVC owners are point misers.

That's why Dec is so popular for DVC - lots of stuff going on for CHEAP point stays.

And AKV value is already sometimes 9.

CBR DVC as a moderate will have to have 7-8 point studios.

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"Since I can get a week for 50 points, that's all I want to buy."

Compounded with the boom coming down at 7 months. 7 month walking, every day of the year.

No. It'll be a deluxe with direct DHS access.

I can't see them building a true moderate DVC, one with lessor villa amenities. I could see them building an OKW/SSR level resort at a moderate location and I could see a new venture that was a moderate level system but not directly part of DVC aimed at an even more budget conscious group. Marriott did try this route a number of years ago and it failed but DVC is in a different situation where I think they could pull it off and I think Marriott's failure was their own fault because they got greedy. However I do think it's workable to have a lessor resort in the DVC system if they so chose.

 

[MrInfinity]

So much wishful thinking... I put this in the same bucket as those hopes that someday Dis will extend the Monorail thru the circle of Moderates.

 

[disneynutz]

So much wishful thinking... I put this in the same bucket as those hopes that someday Dis will extend the Monorail thru the circle of Moderates.

Well, we know that DVD will keep building and that land is hard to come by. We know that sight balloons are used during the planning/surveying stage. Selling DVC properties makes Disney millions on the timeshare sales and millions on repeat park guests.

Adding monorail track would cost Disney hundreds of millions of dollars with no benefit to the company.

Bill

 

[MrInfinity]

Well, we know that DVD will keep building and that land is hard to come by. We know that sight balloons are used during the planning/surveying stage. Selling DVC properties makes Disney millions on the timeshare sales and millions on repeat park guests.

Adding monorail track would cost Disney hundreds of millions of dollars with no benefit to the company.

Bill

Sure, but building a CBR DVC with park access would be just as bad. Who are they going after? The ideas about fewer points per night to attract lower incomes to DVC won't happen... it will just allow existing customers to use fewer points and stay longer. And if you link CBR to Epcot or DHS, that would undercut the value of Deluxes. Stay in a Moderate for 1/2 the price and get walking access to parks? It would also undercut the other Moderates if this one has special access. And the walking traffic... People would walk from CBR to the parks, and then extended people would walk from AoA and Pop to CBR and then to the parks.

Of course eventually they'll put up more DVC. But not until the Poly is pretty well sold first... And then it will be Deluxe, and not give a Moderate special access. Survey balloons are not a reason to anticipate a new hotel. They're rebuilding the interchange between CBR and DHS so it's perfectly reasonable to be surveying the area. I will agree that the ideas about an eventual hotel having a Star Wars (or general Sci-Fi) theme is possible and would make for a great hotel. I would expect this at some point. If they made such a hotel with direct access to Epcot or DHS, I would be calling them to buy points. But I think this is at best, a long way off.

 

[disneynutz]

Sure, but building a CBR DVC with park access would be just as bad. Who are they going after? The ideas above about fewer points per night to attract lower incomes to DVC won't happen... it will just allow existing customers to use fewer points and stay longer. And if you link CBR to Epcot or DHS, that would undercut the value of Deluxes. Stay in a Moderate for 1/2 the price and get walking access to parks? It would also undercut the other Moderates if this one has special access. And the walking traffic... People would walk from CBR to the parks, and then extended people would walk from AoA and Pop to CBR and then to the parks.

Of course eventually they'll put up more DVC. But not until the Poly is pretty well sold first... And then it will be Deluxe, and not give a Moderate special access. Survey balloons are not a reason to anticipate a new hotel. They're rebuilding the interchange between CBR and DHS so it's perfectly reasonable to be surveying the area. I will agree that the ideas about an eventual hotel having a Star Wars (or general Sci-Fi) theme is possible and would make for a great hotel. I would expect this at some point. If they made such a hotel with direct access to Epcot or DHS, I would be calling them to buy points. But I think this is at best, a long way off.

As I posted, a new DVC there doesn't have to be a moderate, they can do things to give it deluxe status. I don't think that they will ever offer a less expensive resort/room, that hasn't been their business plan. The poly is projected to sell out around 12/17, VWL will be selling by then and they have to start on the new DVC resort within a year. Planning, testing, permissions, legal, permits, funding, and construction all take time. VWL is being built at a snails pace for some reason, my guess is that they declare some converted rooms and start selling contracts there soon using the proceeds to help pay for construction.

Bill

 

[DougEMG]

Disney seems to like attaching DVC resorts to hotels in order to split the up keep costs of the facilities between DVC and the hotel (with DVC probably paying the larger portion) so do you think this would be a separate resort or have shared facilities with CBR? I'm also don't think Disney will want to have low point room costs, so it would seem hard to justify sharing CBR facilities with a high room point cost. Why buy at a CBR DVC resort if you could just stay at the hotel side for cheaper.

 

[CarolMN]

....(snip).........Of course eventually they'll put up more DVC. But not until the Poly is pretty well sold first... ......

As of the end of August 2016, the Poly was almost 47% sold. If the current rate of sales continues, it will be sold out by end end of next year.

From DVCNews.com:

Direct Sales Rebound In August 2016

 

[Dean]

Sure, but building a CBR DVC with park access would be just as bad. Who are they going after? The ideas about fewer points per night to attract lower incomes to DVC won't happen... it will just allow existing customers to use fewer points and stay longer. And if you link CBR to Epcot or DHS, that would undercut the value of Deluxes. Stay in a Moderate for 1/2 the price and get walking access to parks? It would also undercut the other Moderates if this one has special access. And the walking traffic... People would walk from CBR to the parks, and then extended people would walk from AoA and Pop to CBR and then to the parks.

Of course eventually they'll put up more DVC. But not until the Poly is pretty well sold first... And then it will be Deluxe, and not give a Moderate special access. Survey balloons are not a reason to anticipate a new hotel. They're rebuilding the interchange between CBR and DHS so it's perfectly reasonable to be surveying the area. I will agree that the ideas about an eventual hotel having a Star Wars (or general Sci-Fi) theme is possible and would make for a great hotel. I would expect this at some point. If they made such a hotel with direct access to Epcot or DHS, I would be calling them to buy points. But I think this is at best, a long way off.

I'm not saying it will happen, it likely won't. But they sold SSR they can sell anything. All they really have to do to fit it in to DVC is build it and have the points in the range of SSR or OKW. Because of the other infrastructure at CBR, I think it would be fairly desirable overall at least compared to AKV, SSR, OKW. It doesn't have to be cheaper, just in the lower end range. They can make up the difference with hype and availability just like they did with SSR. IF they wanted to go after a different market, one with less means than the current DVC demographics, they could do that as well but it'd need to be a separate system. Not only could they make it cheaper, they could redesign the system for other options and benefits.

 

[AdamsMum]

Sure, but building a CBR DVC with park access would be just as bad. Who are they going after? The ideas about fewer points per night to attract lower incomes to DVC won't happen... it will just allow existing customers to use fewer points and stay longer. And if you link CBR to Epcot or DHS, that would undercut the value of Deluxes. Stay in a Moderate for 1/2 the price and get walking access to parks? It would also undercut the other Moderates if this one has special access. And the walking traffic... People would walk from CBR to the parks, and then extended people would walk from AoA and Pop to CBR and then to the parks.

Of course eventually they'll put up more DVC. But not until the Poly is pretty well sold first... And then it will be Deluxe, and not give a Moderate special access. Survey balloons are not a reason to anticipate a new hotel. They're rebuilding the interchange between CBR and DHS so it's perfectly reasonable to be surveying the area. I will agree that the ideas about an eventual hotel having a Star Wars (or general Sci-Fi) theme is possible and would make for a great hotel. I would expect this at some point. If they made such a hotel with direct access to Epcot or DHS, I would be calling them to buy points. But I think this is at best, a long way off.

What if they were to just redesign CBR in its entirety and turn it into a DVC resort. It's perfectly themed, and people love it.

I think the idea of a tower as was suggested in another post is the wrong thing to do. I think it would be a distraction and it would spoil the theming. JMHO

 

[fishermouse]

considering DVD can't keep points in inventory and rooms are nearly always booked solid by 4 weeks out, I don't see any reason to lower the price per point. I imagine it would also anger those that paid premium rate for their points. they could build a resort and charge fewer points per stay, VGF and Poly are rather steep, it may be hard to demand the same number of points any where off the Monorail loop.

 

[gmboy95]

More park space....less hotels!!!!

 

[ScubaCat]

VWL is being built at a snails pace for some reason,

Disney seems to like to spread their costs across more than one fiscal year. It's the same reason it takes multiple years to build a parking garage at Disney springs.

 

[Dean]

Disney seems to like to spread their costs across more than one fiscal year. It's the same reason it takes multiple years to build a parking garage at Disney springs.

Timeshares like to do things in stages so one stage can fund the next. Timeshares, esp points systems, can only sell so fast so having the project done likely costs money unless they sell enough extra points to justify the added current cost. They also tend to judge each project individually. Given that it's similar to Poly in many ways, I'm sure they'd like to have the Poly fairly close to being sold out by the time the new project is ready for sale. Going slower also allows for a smaller crew which is easier to manage and often does a better job. There is often a sweet spot in terms of speed, supplies and efficiency with this type of project.

 

[Novakm]

Given the mouses current mindset of cutting value while raising price, they may just make a moderate dvc and charge deluxe prices.

 

[mustinjourney]

Well, we know that DVD will keep building and that land is hard to come by. We know that sight balloons are used during the planning/surveying stage. Selling DVC properties makes Disney millions on the timeshare sales and millions on repeat park guests.

Adding monorail track would cost Disney hundreds of millions of dollars with no benefit to the company.

Bill

Any hotel on the monorail gets at least a $100 a night bump. That adds up quick.