DVC Chit Chat Thread

[Cyberc1978]

I think there are three main reasons.

Two are cultural differences. First, a good part of US culture is still grounded in the puritanical attitudes of the colonizers founders, and a big part of that was work before play. Second, the US' political economy is farther towards the private end of the collective/private spectrum of capital, and so one's "value" as a person here is more closely tied ot their economic productivity than it typically is in the EU.

The third is more pragmatic. We have a much weaker social safety net and things in the EU that would be provided by the state are provided by one's employer---this includes (some of) one's retirement income, and (more importantly) access to affordable health care. If one loses one's job, healthcare costs become an immediate and major concern. So there is a (largely unspoken/unacknowledged) fear: "If I take too much time off, I'm going to be in the next round of downsizing, and I can't afford to lose my health insurance." Even the state-provided retirement income is contingent upon one's employment history and earnings record.

My daughter's health insurance was through the University of Wisconsin; while she was a graduate student instructor, her monthly cost was quite reasonasble, as the University subisidized it. She graduated in December, and has been on the job market since then. During that time, she has had to pay the full cost of her insurance policy, and will until she starts at her Assistant Professor gig this July. Luckily, she has access to financial resources---her mom and I are picking up the tab for the part that UW used to pay for. But, if she did not have access to those resources, she would have spent that six months uninsured, paying the full cost of any necessary health care out of pocket. That's a gamble that thankfully, she did not have to take.

I'd have a lot more to say about all of this, but this is not the controversial topics board.

Thanks for the explanation I never thought of (reason3) but I understand that having healthcare in the U.S is very important - that it’s something we in the EU take for granted.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Has this been discussed: “DVC Members can now only purchase Sorcerer Annual Passes for immediate family living in their household, closing off access for extended family or anyone outside the home. The updated fine print caps purchases at eight passes per year per membership.”

https://disneyvacationclub.disney.g...ond/wdw-disney-sorcerer-pass/number-of-passes

 

[airjay75]

Has this been discussed: “DVC Members can now only purchase Sorcerer Annual Passes for immediate family living in their household, closing off access for extended family or anyone outside the home. The updated fine print caps purchases at eight passes per year per membership.”

https://disneyvacationclub.disney.g...ond/wdw-disney-sorcerer-pass/number-of-passes

I saw that too. It is entirely possible I'm not seeing some non-abusive people who would be affected by this, but the only ones I can see are those that actually have an immediate family that is larger than 8. I'm sure those families who are DVC Members and buy APs for the entire family would not be very happy about this. I didn't even know you could get the Sorcerer AP for people beyond your immediate family or that lived at a different address. Was it actually ever sold as that? Like, become a DVC member and now every family member you know no matter where they live can get a Sorcerer's Pass? Or maybe it was just something DVC technically allowed, but didn't think they needed to put any limits on it.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I saw that too. It is entirely possible I'm not seeing some non-abusive people who would be affected by this, but the only ones I can see are those that actually have an immediate family that is larger than 8. I'm sure those families who are DVC Members and buy APs for the entire family would not be very happy about this. I didn't even know you could get the Sorcerer AP for people beyond your immediate family or that lived at a different address. Was it actually ever sold as that? Like, become a DVC member and now every family member you know no matter where they live can get a Sorcerer's Pass? Or maybe it was just something DVC technically allowed, but didn't think they needed to put any limits on it.

I’ve got to think grandparents who own DVC and would buy the pass for their kids/grandkids who don’t live with them.

 

[Brian Noble]

didn't even know you could get the Sorcerer AP for people beyond your immediate family or that lived at a different address.

For adults, i believe it was always limited to people at the same address. (I know, b/c I would have liked to get one for my adult children, but they do not live with me.) I'm not sure how carefully it was enforced, but that was the written policy.

 

[Brian Noble]

I’ve got to think grandparents who own DVC and would buy the pass for their kids/grandkids who don’t live with them.

I suspect the grandchildren bit will still fly, because children don't have ID. The grandparents will have to lie, but I suspect they were doing that anyway (see my prior post).

 

[RuntheMouse]

Has this been discussed: “DVC Members can now only purchase Sorcerer Annual Passes for immediate family living in their household, closing off access for extended family or anyone outside the home. The updated fine print caps purchases at eight passes per year per membership.”

https://disneyvacationclub.disney.g...ond/wdw-disney-sorcerer-pass/number-of-passes

That link is for MMB and buying with points. Are those rules different than paying cash?

 

[Flash_Sloth]

Has this been discussed: “DVC Members can now only purchase Sorcerer Annual Passes for immediate family living in their household, closing off access for extended family or anyone outside the home. The updated fine print caps purchases at eight passes per year per membership.”

https://disneyvacationclub.disney.g...ond/wdw-disney-sorcerer-pass/number-of-passes

That particular question in the FAQ addresses how many Sorcerer APs can be purchased specifically with points. It doesn't appear to set a limit for those purchased with money. Quickly glancing at all Sorcerer AP FAQs https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/faq/membership-magic-beyond/wdw-disney-sorcerer-pass I don't see anything limiting the number of APs you can buy with money.

 

[cheryl.UK]

I suspect the grandchildren bit will still fly, because children don't have ID. The grandparents will have to lie, but I suspect they were doing that anyway (see my prior post).

I agree, mostly grandparent will be affected. However, our (autistic) adult niece lives with us and this may affect us as I'm not sure 'neice' will count as 'immediate family'

 

[AstroBlasters]

That link is for MMB and buying with points. Are those rules different than paying cash?

The wording “and up to 7 of their immediate family living in their household” is being reported as a change in language.

 

[airjay75]

I agree, mostly grandparent will be affected. However, our (autistic) adult niece lives with us and this may affect us as I'm not sure 'neice' will count as 'immediate family'

Although I don't think a niece or nephew would come under the common understanding of "immediate family," that does seem like an example where I think exceptions should be made. If asked, I'd probably say something like, she is our adult disabled niece and we are her guardians (regardless of whether you are, in fact, legally, her guardian). I imagine this policy was not aimed at something like that, but more at people who have clearly abused it. Hopefully they won't give you a difficult time.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Although I don't think a niece or nephew would come under the common understanding of "immediate family," that does seem like an example where I think exceptions should be made. If asked, I'd probably say something like, she is our adult disabled niece and we are her guardians (regardless of whether you are, in fact, legally, her guardian). I imagine this policy was not aimed at something like that, but more at people who have clearly abused it. Hopefully they won't give you a difficult time.

“Abused” it by giving Disney over a thousand dollars for a pass

 

[cheryl.UK]

Although I don't think a niece or nephew would come under the common understanding of "immediate family," that does seem like an example where I think exceptions should be made. If asked, I'd probably say something like, she is our adult disabled niece and we are her guardians (regardless of whether you are, in fact, legally, her guardian). I imagine this policy was not aimed at something like that, but more at people who have clearly abused it. Hopefully they won't give you a difficult time.

I'm hoping that if we take her bank statement that has our address on it, they will understand. It's not been a problem so far but I'd hate to get there and find out it is. To look and speak to her, you may not realise she's autistic. She has a job as a data analyst but she can't cope with living alone.

 

[Flash_Sloth]

The wording “and up to 7 of their immediate family living in their household” is being reported as a change in language.

I wonder if the commercial renters were buying Sorcerer APs with points and reselling to "family". Just a random thought as Disney seems to be cracking down on commercial renting of DVC points, or at least threatening to. I would guess that most of the commercial renters are using resale points that wouldn't be eligible for this, though.

 

[IsDVCForMe?]

This question is for all of you DVC vets. Going in June. Seems like from what I’m reading that between 2-3 and 5-6 is the peak time for heat. Is this accurate? Trying to make plans.