DVC and Deluxe should get more FP+ and an earlier window

[DVC Jen]

I read the first few posts here and was so disgusted by the OP that I couldn't wait any longer to post.

DVC gets a bad rap a lot of the time anyway. DVC'ers sometimes get a bad rap. This post did not help at all.

Buddy (OP) I spent more than you on my DVC membership at two different resorts. I know people who make my yearly allotment of points look minuscule. I have never come across someone with that type of behavior before.

DVC does NOT entitle us to anything more than what we paid for - a nice hotel room to rest our heads at night. That is it. Someone staying evry year for 10 nights at the vast majority of deluxe resorts will over time spend more money that I have. Heck with the way the resort costs are rising you can say that for moderate and maybe in time value as well. Disney is going to want to cater to them a lot more than us. We are a sure thing. Disney is a business.

Seriously - I am embarrassed by that type of behavior.

Most DVC members are nothing like that. Please do not judge any of us based on the egos of a very few.

 

[CoCoMo]

Haha... This was great!

 

[DetroitDisney]

At the risk of trolling this thread, I don't think that OP's request is unreasonable. Disney has always catered towards Premium experiences. Frankly, if there were additional benefits to staying in the Deluxe/DVC accommodations, people on fence with moderate resorts would more likely take the plunge.

 

[DebbieB]

I read the first few posts here and was so disgusted by the OP that I couldn't wait any longer to post.

DVC gets a bad rap a lot of the time anyway. DVC'ers sometimes get a bad rap. This post did not help at all.

Buddy (OP) I spent more than you on my DVC membership at two different resorts. I know people who make my yearly allotment of points look minuscule. I have never come across someone with that type of behavior before.

DVC does NOT entitle us to anything more than what we paid for - a nice hotel room to rest our heads at night. That is it. Someone staying evry year for 10 nights at the vast majority of deluxe resorts will over time spend more money that I have. Heck with the way the resort costs are rising you can say that for moderate and maybe in time value as well. Disney is going to want to cater to them a lot more than us. We are a sure thing. Disney is a business.

Seriously - I am embarrassed by that type of behavior.

Most DVC members are nothing like that. Please do not judge any of us based on the egos of a very few.

I agree, I've been a member for 15 years and don't feel entitled to anything more. I arrived at BWV today for 6 nights, total of 91 points in a boardwalk view studio. The rack rate for a standard studio is $475 for tonight, $448 per night rest of the week. So it's a great deal at 91 points, which I value at around $8 a point (initial purchase + annual dues). Why else are more and more people looking to rent points.

 

[cakebaker]

The OP should be careful what he wishes for.

No DVC here- seriously looked into it and it's just not for us.

I don't think it's out of the question that Disney might eventually give graduated perks to their on site guests. They certainly do it with the free dining plan already.

But- I don't think for a second they'll ever give the nod to DVC owners anymore than they give AP holders extra perks of any significance. They've already got us- no need to sweeten the pot. As for DVC, they sell out faster than they can build them. Apparently the pot is plenty sweet enough.

So don't come back whining when Disney gives those renting a villa extra perks, but denies them to the owners. It's called getting bit in the butt, op.

 

[DebbieB]

The OP should be careful what he wishes for.

No DVC here- seriously looked into it and it's just not for us.

I don't think it's out of the question that Disney might eventually give graduated perks to their on site guests. They certainly do it with the free dining plan already.

But- I don't think for a second they'll ever give the nod to DVC owners anymore than they give AP holders extra perks of any significance. They've already got us- no need to sweeten the pot. As for DVC, they sell out faster than they can build them. Apparently the pot is plenty sweet enough.

So don't come back whining when Disney gives those renting a villa extra perks, but denies them to the owners. It's called getting bit in the butt, op.

I don't think of free dining as a "perk denied". Look at the rack rates that free dining requires (see my post above). Sure, if you downgrade to a value room it's worth it but not for the DVC accommodations. I'm not going to pay over $400 a night to get "free dining". You can't expect to pay 91 points for 6 nights and also get dining thrown in.

 

[cakebaker]

I don't think of free dining as a "perk denied". Look at the rack rates that free dining requires (see my post above). Sure, if you downgrade to a value room it's worth it but not for the DVC accommodations. I'm not going to pay over $400 a night to get "free dining".

I wasn't talking about the fact that DVC doesn't get free dining plans.

I was talking about the fact that a person at a deluxe resort will get a better dining plan than one staying at a value resort . It's not that those who stay in values eat less- they pay less so they get less of a dining plan.

So in effect, Disney already graduates what they offer to guests based on where they stay. It's not technically a decrease in a perk, but it's darn close and not a big leap to actually go ahead and implement such an idea.

 

[Luvchefmic]

Unless I am missing something since when does the dining plan offer more, or better food, if you stay at a Deluxe vs a Value ? Isn't anyone at any resort allowed to purchase any of the 3 plans offered

OR am I misunderstanding and we're only talking about " free" dining ?

2014 DISNEY DINING PLAN PRICING (as of 3/20/14):



PER ADULT, PER NIGHT
(adults are 10 years and older in Disney prices) PER CHILD, PER NIGHT
(children are 3-9 years old in Disney prices)

Quick Service Dining
•2 quick-service meals
•1 snack
•1 refillable mug
$41.99 $16.03

Regular Dining
•1 table-service meal
•1 quick-service meal
•1 snack
•1 refillable mug
$60.04 $19.23

Deluxe Dining
•3 meals (any combination of table-service and quick-service)
•2 snacks
•1 refillable mug
$109.53 $29.86

 

[ponyboy]

The math is only off if they ARE financing. You don't need do. We didn't. Most experts will agree that if you have to finance at that level, you shouldn't be buying DVC.

I don't think many financial experts would agree to that at all.

Let's say I average 12% from investments, which is the average yearly return of the DOW. I could make the $2000 10% down payment in cash and then place the remaining $18,000 in an investment account earning 12%. I could then finance the DVC at 7% for 10 years, since it's a fixed cost we don't have to factor in inflation, and at the end of the 10 years the DVC would be paid off and I'd still have money left in the account.

So by leveraging investments I would be able to pay less for the DVC by financing than if I had paid cash up front and saved the finance charges.

Financing is a good thing if you understand how to use it. That's why the super rich finance EVERYTHING. They NEVER pay cash.

 

[cakebaker]

Unless I am missing something since when does the dining plan offer more, or better food, if you stay at a Deluxe vs a Value ? Isn't anyone at any resort allowed to purchase any of the 3 plans offered

OR am I misunderstanding and we're only talking about " free" dining ?

2014 DISNEY DINING PLAN PRICING (as of 3/20/14):



PER ADULT, PER NIGHT
(adults are 10 years and older in Disney prices) PER CHILD, PER NIGHT
(children are 3-9 years old in Disney prices)

Quick Service Dining
•2 quick-service meals
•1 snack
•1 refillable mug
$41.99 $16.03

Regular Dining
•1 table-service meal
•1 quick-service meal
•1 snack
•1 refillable mug
$60.04 $19.23

Deluxe Dining
•3 meals (any combination of table-service and quick-service)
•2 snacks
•1 refillable mug
$109.53 $29.86

My original comments were in regards to free dining- I didn't make that clear in subsequent posts, but yes, only free dining.

 

[minnie mum]

Financing is a good thing if you understand how to use it. That's why the super rich finance EVERYTHING. They NEVER pay cash.

Well, if you were super rich you wouldn't be messing around with a picayune time share. You'd be on your own property at Golden Oaks, leveraged or otherwise. The peons will just have to get by with DVC, the best way that is fiscally responsible for them.

 

[kaytieeldr]

At the risk of trolling this thread, I don't think that OP's request is unreasonable. Disney has always catered towards Premium experiences. Frankly, if there were additional benefits to staying in the Deluxe/DVC accommodations, people on fence with moderate resorts would more likely take the plunge.

Where is there information available indicating Moderate and Value guests don't purchase DVC? Or that Deluxe guests are the primary market?

If Disney were to go to tiered perks, very likely DVC wouldn't be included - since members pay, ultimately, Moderate or lower rates.

eta: Everybody's different, but i could stay in an OKW studio 18 nights next September using the OP's presumed 200 points. Split conservatively over 30 years and with that $600 guessed-at dues, that makes my nightly rate just a shade under $70. Even if the dues double over the next 30 years, my (heirs') rate would be under $114 per night.

 

[gwb]

I read the first few posts here and was so disgusted by the OP that I couldn't wait any longer to post.

DVC gets a bad rap a lot of the time anyway. DVC'ers sometimes get a bad rap. This post did not help at all.

Buddy (OP) I spent more than you on my DVC membership at two different resorts. I know people who make my yearly allotment of points look minuscule. I have never come across someone with that type of behavior before.

DVC does NOT entitle us to anything more than what we paid for - a nice hotel room to rest our heads at night. That is it. Someone staying evry year for 10 nights at the vast majority of deluxe resorts will over time spend more money that I have. Heck with the way the resort costs are rising you can say that for moderate and maybe in time value as well. Disney is going to want to cater to them a lot more than us. We are a sure thing. Disney is a business.

Seriously - I am embarrassed by that type of behavior.

Most DVC members are nothing like that. Please do not judge any of us based on the egos of a very few.

Perfectly agree on all accounts Been a DVC member for over 10 years and the OP does nothing but give the rest of us a bad rap. When you buy a DVC member you still have to buy park tickets as everyone else does. You get some perks but you don't deserve special benefits like the OP wants. I also totally agree about the embarrassment.

 

[alisigns]

lol, "socially appropriate".

You can go to a Yankee game for like $20. You'll sit in the top level way out in right field and if you want a hot dog you'll have to go stand in line yourself.

Or you can pay a heckuva lot more and sit behind home plate and have a waitress bring you your hot dog.

Let's look at this logic, shall we? Seats behind home plate for a Yankees game are $2500 versus the $20 cheap seats, which is 125 times more expensive. Therefore, if you paid $20,000 for your DVC membership, which entitles you to all of the perks, I should be able to get a membership with no perks at all for 125 times less, or $160, correct? I mean, that's the logic, right? If so, hand me that contract. I will lose those perks for the $160 membership!

And Disney is screwing it's higher-end customer with FP+.

P.S. It should be *its* - possessive, not a contraction of it is. Elitists who spend $20,000 on a membership that entitles them to all of the perks possible should know the difference.

 

[Networth]

I am not a DVC member (I hate time shares, and DVC has no club level or mouse keeping every day w/o extra $$$, it just would never work for me anyway...) DVC targets everybody. They target the values by saying “Hey look you can afford deluxe” They target the moderates by saying “Hey look at how much longer you could stay and nicer accommodations for the same price” they target the average Deluxe by stating “Hey, look at how much you could save plus you get to stay at the GF and CR like you do now anyway” I have been with friends who have stayed Value and heard the speak, I have stayed mod once at POR and heard the speal and I stay at my “home” the Grand and have heard the speal.

DVC does not give two hoots where you currently stay, they just want your name on that dotted line.

 

[Jennasis]

I am not a DVC member (I hate time shares, and DVC has no club level or mouse keeping every day w/o extra $$$, it just would never work for me anyway...) DVC targets everybody. They target the values by saying “Hey look you can afford deluxe” They target the moderates by saying “Hey look at how much longer you could stay and nicer accommodations for the same price” they target the average Deluxe by stating “Hey, look at how much you could save plus you get to stay at the GF and CR like you do now anyway” I have been with friends who have stayed Value and heard the speak, I have stayed mod once at POR and heard the speal and I stay at my “home” the Grand and have heard the speal.

DVC does not give two hoots where you currently stay, they just want your name on that dotted line.

AKL has club level DVC villas.

 

[Networth]

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[MAGICFOR2]

Joined on DIS on Halloween last year. Made a few posts recently about the amazing/confounding lack of trolls on this board. I'm learning towards very, very, very good stealth troll topic here though. I come to these boards sometimes to avoid these topics on other boards, but they're so rare here I don't mind giving kudos where kudos is deserved. I tip my hat to you good sir/madam.

Stealth Troll? I'd say OP is jumping up and down under the bridge!

 

[PoohsFan1]

Most DVC members are nothing like that. Please do not judge any of us based on the egos of a very few.

Agreed. The OP is just making DVC members look really bad . We are DVC members too and when we signed our contracts we never thought for once that we were more entitled (or superior) than those that aren't members.

I'm just wondering, in the OP's eyes, since for our next trip, we are staying at a moderate level resort, should we be entitled to the 3 FP+ or since we are DVC members, should we get more? (note the sarcasm)

 

[MillauFr]

I completely agree with the original poster. That is why I would never consider buying a Disney timeshare. The amount of perks they give you for shelling out that kind of cash are a joke. The only way I would consider buying a Disney timeshare is if I got unlimited fastpasses, 50% off of annual passes, and free deluxe dining.

Shelling out $20k for the "privilege" of paying unending maintenance fees??? You got to be joking. Why pay that kind of cash when my last stay at the Poly was only $189 per night?