DUES Info! - All resorts dues have been released

[WinterSolider]

But..17% is just the hike in dues this year for housekeeping, which should apply to the labor increase in 2026 alone, not 3 years worth. I don’t know why 2023 labor is relevant given they increased dues for labor accordingly back then.

So, 4.35% increase in housekeeping labor for 2026, yet the dues went up 17% for 2026 housekeeping labor.

Dude there's no conspiracy. They can't re-spend this money outside of what they say they're spending it for. Timeshare accounting is one of the most highly scrutinized and audited components of Disney's books.

 

[Stank]

Obviously there are more costs to the broad "housekeeping" category than just labor...

Well….yes…but, housekeeping is 70-80% labor as it’s a labor-intensive business. That’s for hotels. That’s daily housekeeping. DVC cleans rooms once a week. So if you have a 100 unit hotel, you’re cleaning 100 rooms daily. A 100 unit DVC would be 30-40 rooms daily.

So, you’re using far less chemicals cleaning a DVC room less often than a hotel room, so DVC non-labor housekeeping costs have to be less than the industry standard of 20-30% for hotels.

 

[Stank]

Dude there's no conspiracy. They can't re-spend this money outside of what they say they're spending it for. Timeshare accounting is one of the most highly scrutinized and audited components of Disney's books.

Yeah, and all utilities have their books scrutinized by state regulators and have to be approved (unlike DVC dues) by those regulators.

Yet I’m paying 2-3x the prevailing natural gas price, as are natural gas customers across the country, despite being told the commodity has zero markup.

Again, there’s reality vs. what should happen.

 

[Tatebeck]

Yeah, and all utilities have their books scrutinized by state regulators and have to be approved (unlike DVC dues) by those regulators.

Yet I’m paying 2-3x the prevailing natural gas price, as are natural gas customers across the country, despite being told the commodity has zero markup.

Again, there’s reality vs. what should happen.

"No, natural gas does not have zero markup for utility customers; the cost of the natural gas commodity is passed through to consumers without a markup, but the total bill includes other charges like delivery costs, infrastructure spending, and taxes. The utility company does not profit from the price of the gas itself, but it charges a separate fee to cover the costs of the pipes, maintenance, and other infrastructure needed to deliver the gas to you"

If you want to go buy, store, and deliver gas to yourself at the market rate then go ahead. Idk how you expect other people to do it for you for free...

 

[Wedgeout]

Have a week to get this all out of your system. Remember at Thanksgiving we don’t talk about Politics, Religion, Bruno, & DVC Dues!

The positive in all the yearly increases is we are ALL paying the big bucks, (Go Team Mickey!), but still saving on a Disney vacation.

 

[Stank]

"No, natural gas does not have zero markup for utility customers; the cost of the natural gas commodity is passed through to consumers without a markup, but the total bill includes other charges like delivery costs, infrastructure spending, and taxes. The utility company does not profit from the price of the gas itself, but it charges a separate fee to cover the costs of the pipes, maintenance, and other infrastructure needed to deliver the gas to you"

If you want to go buy, store, and deliver gas to yourself at the market rate then go ahead. Idk how you expect other people to do it for you for free...

Which is exactly what I said. Nothing what I said has anything to do with the transportation or fixed charge costs.

The natural gas cost is $3 on the market hub. The retail bill for the commodity is equivalent to $6. A markup of 100%. Which is my issue.

Just as saying housekeeping costs went up 17% when labor went up 4.35%. Unless housekeeping labor is a third of the housekeeping costs for DVC, which isn’t believable given labor is 70-80% of housekeeping for hotels, then a 17% hike in housekeeping is not anywhere close.

 

[maui22]

Might part of higher housekeeping costs be attributed to guests staying shorter? For example, we did a split stay because we added more days and had to book different resorts. Guests next door were there only for a F&W weekend.

Looking at possibly moving to Florida. One thing I realize is with that, we will be booking more trips with shorter durations. Just a different mindset when you can be at the mouse house within a couple hours.

 

[Genie+]

If anyone’s interested - the breakdown for VGF and BWV:

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[VGCgroupie]

Might part of higher housekeeping costs be attributed to guests staying shorter? For example, we did a split stay because we added more days and had to book different resorts. Guests next door were there only for a F&W weekend.

Looking at possibly moving to Florida. One thing I realize is with that, we will be booking more trips with shorter durations. Just a different mindset when you can be at the mouse house within a couple hours.

Since I bing it up whenever possible. Another reason to curb commercial renting. Most wont split stay unless they are forced to due to lack of availability.

 

[Genie+]

	VGF	BWV
Operating	5.37	6.29
Capital Reserves	.97	1.41
Ad Valorem	1.98	1.96
Total Dues 2026	$8.31	$9.67

I’d like to compile the whole list of resorts

 

[Stank]

Might part of higher housekeeping costs be attributed to guests staying shorter? For example, we did a split stay because we added more days and had to book different resorts. Guests next door were there only for a F&W weekend.

Looking at possibly moving to Florida. One thing I realize is with that, we will be booking more trips with shorter durations. Just a different mindset when you can be at the mouse house within a couple hours.

No. Because DVC isn’t cleaning all of its rooms daily like a hotel is. If housekeeping labor is 70-80% of housekeeping costs for hotels, then it’s even a higher share for DVC.

To get a 17% hike in housekeeping costs with a 4.35% hike in housekeeping labor costs, then your non-housekeeping costs had to have had an astounding increase. Anyone going to make the case that clorox and towel prices doubled in th past year? Because that’s what you’d need to see to justify a 17% hike in dues for housekeeping with labor being only up 4.35%.

 

[Carouselofplanning]

No. Because DVC isn’t cleaning all of its rooms daily like a hotel is. If housekeeping labor is 70-80% of housekeeping costs for hotels, then it’s even a higher share for DVC.

To get a 17% hike in housekeeping costs with a 4.35% hike in housekeeping labor costs, then your non-housekeeping costs had to have had an astounding increase. Anyone going to make the case that clorox and towel prices doubled in th past year? Because that’s what you’d need to see to justify a 17% hike in dues for housekeeping with labor being only up 4.35%.

No one is talking about carts and uniforms..maybe SSR is about to break out a new fleet of these bad boys!
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[Tatebeck]

No. Because DVC isn’t cleaning all of its rooms daily like a hotel is. If housekeeping labor is 70-80% of housekeeping costs for hotels, then it’s even a higher share for DVC.

To get a 17% hike in housekeeping costs with a 4.35% 6.2 hike in housekeeping labor costs, then your non-housekeeping costs had to have had an astounding increase. Anyone going to make the case that clorox and towel prices are up 50%? Because that’s what you’d need to see to justify a 17% hike in dues for housekeeping with labor being only up 4.35%.

It's exactly the opposite. If you are cleaning less often, you will have a lower percentage of your total housekeeping budget be labor.

DVC is not a hotel, they are closer to Villas/Condos. There are more things that may need cleaning/fixing/repairing (dishwasher, full fridge/freezer, clothes washer/dryer, etc) but you are getting less frequent visits by housekeeping. So you should expect a decrease in labor, but no decrease (or an increase) in other parts of the housekeeping budget for all of those extras that hotel rooms do not have (or do not have as much of)

I know we spend a heck of a lot more than just our labor on "housekeeping" at home!

I think that is the last time I can explain this, I'll assume any further post as trolling at this point

 

[JackosinDIS]

Overall, a much bigger % increase than I was anticipating. Will it make me sell my contracts….no, but if this type of increase happens few a few years running it won’t take long for savings over cash rates to be significantly eroded. I wonder whether we will see similar increases on the rack rates for next year? Suspect not.

 

[Carouselofplanning]

Overall, a much bigger % increase than I was anticipating. Will it make me sell my contracts….no, but if this type of increase happens few a few years running it won’t take long for savings over cash rates to be significantly eroded. I wonder whether we will see similar increases on the rack rates for next year? Suspect not.

I think cash rates are a function of demand more than anything. Dues for DVC not really.

 

[MagicDVC]

Overall, a much bigger % increase than I was anticipating. Will it make me sell my contracts….no, but if this type of increase happens few a few years running it won’t take long for savings over cash rates to be significantly eroded. I wonder whether we will see similar increases on the rack rates for next year? Suspect not.

I think we'll see increases in rack rates, but they will counteract those increases with room discounts. In the end, they rather have the resorts full. With shorter stays and spilt stays, housekeeping is already cleaning DVC rooms more frequently than once a week. I'm pretty sure laundry is also part of the housekeeping component and my water bill is way higher this year.

 

[Stank]

It's exactly the opposite. If you are cleaning less often, you will have a lower percentage of your total housekeeping budget be labor.

DVC is not a hotel, they are closer to Villas/Condos. There are more things that may need cleaning/fixing/repairing (dishwasher, full fridge/freezer, clothes washer/dryer, etc) but you are getting less frequent visits by housekeeping. So you should expect a decrease in labor, but no decrease (or an increase) in other parts of the housekeeping budget for all of those extras that hotel rooms do not have (or do not have as much of)

I know we spend a heck of a lot more than just our labor on "housekeeping" at home!

I think that is the last time I can explain this, I'll assume any further post as trolling at this point

Wrong. After the natural gas debacle, might sit one or two out with the laughing emojis.

You hire staff and pay wages and benefits whether a room is cleaned daily or every two days. If you clean a room every 2 days, you use half the chemicals you would use if you clean every day.

DVC cleans rooms 2-3 times a week, not 7 days a week. So you’re using significantly fewer chemicals and laundry. But you pay a person a salary regardless.

It’s basic math. If DVC cleaned zero rooms a day, they’d spend nothing on chemicals. But they’d still pay wages. Hotels clean the same room every day of the week. DVC, 2-3 days a week tops. Therefore, given a hotel cleans more rooms more often than DVC, the ratio of labor to non-labor expenses for a hotel is LOWER than it would be for DVC, as DVC has to have staff on payroll, but cleans fewer than 100% of their rooms less often.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Did my math. My dues are $759 more in 2026 than 2025 across my 1156 points.

I have officially broke 10k a year in dues. Grand total...

$10,675.47

 

[Genie+]

My direct VGF bought in 2023 is the only thing that’s consoling me about my resale OKW bought in 2024. If there was longer on the OKW contract, I’d consider selling it, but I do need the points I have so then I’d have to buy something else, and then the various fees and price differences would just eat up any dues savings, so I might as well keep it…or at least that’s how my DVC Math is leaning. My dues per point is only $9.75 when I average out all the contracts, so I’m convincing myself that as long as it stays under $10 I’m still saving tons of money…

I think averaging your dues is a fine way to look at it.

Our BWV is giving us similar headaches. We’d prefer something else but the costs of selling and buying outweigh the need to change it.

Predicting what DVC portfolio will work best for us in the long run seems nearly impossible As long as it’s working well - we are doing OK!

 

[Genie+]

Did my math. My dues are $759 more in 2026 than 2025 across my 1156 points.

I have officially broke 10k a year in dues. Grand total...

$10,675.47

More power to you! There’s a few $10k+ dues bills around here lol. I’d love to have that dues bill - if I could just get the buy-in cost waived