DUES Info! - All resorts dues have been released

[808blessing]

Either way, I believe it is quite possibly pay based. Something to ask at the upcoming meeting or will dvc answer email?

 

[Genie+]

If somebody more familiar with DVC taxes and math can confirm the millage calculation?

Thanks!

Where are people seeing the break down of the library fee in the taxes though?

The info I was using for Saratoga came from:
https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program-men...l-tax-rates-for-walt-disney-world-dvc-resorts

I think the library millage rate works out to around 6 cents in our dues per point.

Example: The tax bill was roughly $22,586,000 for Saratoga Springs. The library millage is .03748, which equals $846,636, then divided by the estimated 14 million points owned at SSR comes out to $.0605 per point.

…unless I’m not doing this correctly?

https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program-men...l-tax-rates-for-walt-disney-world-dvc-resorts

Orange County, Florida

millage rates are set annually by each taxing authority, including the county, cities, school board, and special districts. A millage rate is the amount of tax charged per $1,000 of a property's taxable value, with one mill equaling $1. The calculation for an individual's property tax is based on their property's assessed value, any applicable exemptions, and the total combined millage rate.

HOLD THE PRESSES! The decimal point needs to move.

 

[mkatsy]

If somebody more familiar with DVC taxes and math can confirm the millage calculation?

Thanks!



The info I was using for Saratoga came from:
https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program-men...l-tax-rates-for-walt-disney-world-dvc-resorts


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Orange County, Florida

millage rates are set annually by each taxing authority, including the county, cities, school board, and special districts. A millage rate is the amount of tax charged per $1,000 of a property's taxable value, with one mill equaling $1. The calculation for an individual's property tax is based on their property's assessed value, any applicable exemptions, and the total combined millage rate.

HOLD THE PRESSES! The decimal point needs to move.

What I find amazing is that the Orange County Library is an independent special district. The state codified it chapter 80-555 and they are authorized to levy ad valorem taxes for operating expenses and debt service. How does a library get this much power?

 

[Genie+]

So if SSR has $22,586,000 ad valorem tax, and the millage is per $1000…

Then $22,586 x the library millage .3748 = $8,465

and That gets divided by 14 million dues points = $.000604

A 200 point SSR contract would pay about $0.12 in total toward the library for 2025.

Can anybody confirm this?

 

[VGCgroupie]

So if SSR has $22,586,000 ad valorem tax, and the millage is per $1000…

Then $22,586 x the library millage .3748 = $8,465

and That gets divided by 14 million dues points = $.000604

A 200 point SSR contract would pay about $0.12 in total toward the library for 2025.

Can anybody confirm this?

I cant confirm but I want to express my annoyance with it. Timeshares can certainly be excluded from paying for this. Ridiculous that it wasn't negotiated. Frankly I had no idea we also pay for schools, since schools are a separate line item I would've figured its easy to exclude that from timeshare ownership taxes. I now pay for schools in 4 states I dont use them in. (we homeschool so I I dont use them in my home state either) Guess its time to watch the video Brian linked.

 

[Sandisw]

Hey everyone. Let’s be sure that we keep posts in the realm of understanding the dues and not making statements that seem to fit into a political world when it comes to taxes, use of a library, decisions by FL, etc.

So yes, the taxes include school tax and support of the library. Whether or not Disney could have been excused from paying them as a for profit corporation when it comes to DVC?

That’s a question for them and the state or county.

You may also discuss it in the thread that allows discussion of all controversial topics. !

 

[VGCgroupie]

Honestly didn’t see my comment as controversial or political in any way shape or form.

 

[Sandisw]

Honestly didn’t see my comment as controversial or political in any way shape or form.

Just reminding the group…no one in particular. I let the other debate go on too long and keeping my mod hat on now.

 

[mkatsy]

So if SSR has $22,586,000 ad valorem tax, and the millage is per $1000…

Then $22,586 x the library millage .3748 = $8,465

and That gets divided by 14 million dues points = $.000604

A 200 point SSR contract would pay about $0.12 in total toward the library for 2025.

Can anybody confirm this?

I don’t know how to calculate it without starting at the assessed value. I pulled the property tax card up and it shows the Saratoga market value at $1,006,581,030.00. And the assessed value at $878,697,485.00. The library is only taxed on $878,697,485 (the assessed value) which left a bill of $329,335.80. Schools however are taxed at market value which left a bill of $6,491,441.20. total tax out the door for 2025 was $24,137,883.31 which is a mill rate of 26.5315 (If anyone wants to look at it Saratoga’s account # is 28-24-28-2085-99-999)

 

[drusba]

I can see paying taxes for roads, traffic lights, police, emergency services but not for libraries and schools. Would be interesting to see exactly what is in the taxes.

Property taxes (in Florida and elsewhere) usually include the costs of libraries and public schools. The property taxes as they relate to the Orange County Library in Florida cover the costs of 17 different branches. The taxes are charged to property owners in Orange County. However, as to the free library card, only actual residents of the county can get it. Non-residents can purchase a library card for $75 for three months or $125 per year.

A cardholder (including non-residents who have purchased a card) and often also such cardholders family members entering with a cardholder, can get free admission for a number of things such as the zoo and various botanical gardens that otherwise have entry fees in the Library's Local Wanderer Collection (for which the usual ticket cost for adult non-cardholders range from $15 to $25). The cost of providing that Local Wanderer Collection is included in the property taxes charged for the library.

 

[mkatsy]

The property taxes as they relate to the Orange County Library cover the costs of 17 different branches. The taxes are charged to property owners in Orange County. However, as to the free library card, only actual residents of the county can get it. Non-residents can purchase a library card for $75 for three months or $125 per year.

A cardholder (including non-residents who have purchased a card) and often also such cardholders family members entering with a cardholder, can get free admission for a number of things such as the zoo and various botanical gardens that otherwise have entry fees in the Library's Local Wanderer Collection (for which the usual ticket cost for adults range from $15 to $25). The cost of providing that Local Wanderer Collection is included in the property taxes charged for the library.

You don’t have to be an Orange County resident to qualify for the property owner card. However, you do need to produce a tax bill with your name on it. Which we don’t have. The tax bills are issued to: Walt Disney Parks and Resorts US Inc.

 

[Judique]

Not sure if this was discusssed. I had assumed mousekeeping went up because of statewide minimum wage increases?

Pretty sure Housekeeping is paid above those rates in accordance with their contract.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Pretty sure Housekeeping is paid above those rates in accordance with their contract.

I’m would think that when minimum wage increases so do other wages. But I could be wrong.

 

[Genie+]

I don’t know how to calculate it without starting at the assessed value. I pulled the property tax card up and it shows the Saratoga market value at $1,006,581,030.00. And the assessed value at $878,697,485.00. The library is only taxed on $878,697,485 (the assessed value) which left a bill of $329,335.80. Schools however are taxed at market value which left a bill of $6,491,441.20. total tax out the door for 2025 was $24,137,883.31 which is a mill rate of 26.5315 (If anyone wants to look at it Saratoga’s account # is 28-24-28-2085-99-999)

Ahh good catch! I should know this stuff from my own property taxes but the last decade I have intentionally avoided digesting the finer details because it gives me agida

So the library millage is applied to the non-school assessed value - $878,697,485

$878,697 x .3748 = $329,335.64

That divided by 14 million points = $.0235pp in SSR dues

Which would about $4.70 total paid to the library on a 200pt SSR annual dues bill.

 

[Judique]

I’m would think that when minimum wage increases so do other wages. But I could be wrong.

Someone that pays more attention may have a better grip on this then I. When I retired there's no doubt in my mind I left my work brain back there at the job.

It's my understanding that Housekeeping works under a negotiated contract with rates that are quite a bit above minimum wage. That would mean that their contract has a time period before the next negotiation process.

I may be mistaken but I don't think so.

 

[Genie+]

I’m would think that when minimum wage increases so do other wages. But I could be wrong.

Around 2017/2018 serious negotiations happened (from AI):

In 2018, a new contract was agreed upon between Walt Disney World and the
Service Trades Council Union that established a path to a $15-an-hour minimum wage by October 2021. The starting wage of $10 per hour in 2018 was raised to $11 in December 2018, with additional increases to follow. All employees were to receive a minimum of $4.75 in raises by the end of the contract, with a one-time $1,000 bonus also included.

Key details of the 2018 agreement

• Minimum wage timeline: The contract set a multi-year plan to increase the minimum wage to $15 per hour.
  • $11/hour: December 2018
  • $12/hour: March 2019
  • $13/hour: September 2019
  • $14/hour: October 2020
  • $15/hour: October 2021

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Back in 2016 some employees were only making $8.35/hr. When the above increases were negotiated, it was understood DVC dues would see budget increases in housekeeping and other labor areas. Then on top of that 2020 happened, which further impacted the local labor market, especially for the theme parks. When the parks reopened WDW had a hard time getting enough employees for food service, housekeeping, transportation, etc. That went on for almost 2 years iirc.

 

[mkatsy]

Someone that pays more attention may have a better grip on this then I. When I retired there's no doubt in my mind I left my work brain back there at the job.

It's my understanding that Housekeeping works under a negotiated contract with rates that are quite a bit above minimum wage. That would mean that their contract has a time period before the next negotiation process.

I may be mistaken but I don't think so.

Yes, they are part of Local 737 Hotel & Restaurant workers union. Their raise went into effect September 28th

 

[mkatsy]

I don’t have the patience to read this, maybe someone else does. It’s the union contract that is public information. It covers the terms and conditions of the employment that we pay for in our dues, so it could be considered relevant. You can find all details and job classifications here: uniteherelocal737.org/contracts/

 

[eticketplease]

Yes, they are part of Local 737 Hotel & Restaurant workers union. Their raise went into effect September 28th

I wonder why Cook 2 makes less than Cook 1

I'm assuming of course that the "1" is the more entry level cook

 

[walt34]

Yes, they are part of Local 737 Hotel & Restaurant workers union. Their raise went into effect September 28th

For housekeeping, this would explain an increase of about 4.55%, wouldn't it?