DUES Info! - All resorts dues have been released

[Genie+]

I’m not sure about BLT. The refurb extended to July 2026. The original goal was Sept 2025. Have all the rooms been completed?

 

[davidhr]

That’s a good way to cushion the blow!

Just hope it never becomes true. In 5 years CFW would have $20pp dues

A 10% is unsustainable. A few years of that and most of us will be selling before we get to the point where we have to pay someone to get the contract.

The 10% is more for me to budget as I hate having to take more money than I had put aside for things like this.

 

[Judique]

A 10% is unsustainable. A few years of that and most of us will be selling before we get to the point where we have to pay someone to get the contract.

The 10% is more for me to budget as I hate having to take more money than I had put aside for things like this.

That's why so many of us work diligently to get enough Disney gift cards to pay dues. It keeps the Wolf from the door for another year. It's just that it's not always easy to find about $5000 worth of discounted cards and it's also not easy to keep up with them.

The cost is static but it 'seems as if' paying with mouse money makes it less real.

 

[Memorymakerfor4]

Trying to catch up on this thread. Can someone remind me what SAP+ means?

 

[Add-On-Itis]

Trying to catch up on this thread. Can someone remind me what SAP+ means?

Sleep around Point +

The + is where you wouldn't mind staying at.

generally SSR is SAP

CCV / BLT is SAP+

 

[airjay75]

Trying to catch up on this thread. Can someone remind me what SAP+ means?

SAP = points for use exclusively or primarily outside of the homes resort
SAP+ = points that will often be used outside of the home resort, but for which there is a desirable/advantageous reason to own at that resort as well

Classic examples of pure SAP would be OKW or SSR - don't need home resort priority there for most rooms, most of the time.
SAP+ examples might be CCV/BLT/VGF/PVB - pretty cheap dues, but there are also rooms there for which home resort priority can be pretty important and desirable.

Most wouldn't put VGC/VDH/BWV/BCV in a SAP+ category because those points typically make the most sense to use exclusively at their home resort.

Of course, it is also somewhat subjective to the individual whether they view something as SAP+

 

[Memorymakerfor4]

Thanks - I felt like I should remember that but the coffee hadn't quite hit bottom yet!

 

[mort1331]

Some use AUL as SAP+ as well

 

[Brian Noble]

Not looking to make any huge analysis statements that we all don't all intuitively already know, but those towers and proximity to the parks have a lower cost profile. I knew OKW transportation would be higher but not that much higher.

Some (but not all) of the difference is explained by the fact that OKW has more rooms---761 keys at OKW vs 468 at BLT. There are more people to move at OKW. But this is a good example data point that light rail is more efficient than busing! For example, you only need to pay one operator for an entire monorail train's worth of people.

I’m not sure about BLT. The refurb extended to July 2026.

That's the schedule for the Contemporary in total. The BLT refurbishment was Sept '24 -> Sept '25, and the rooms are now complete. So available room-nights in calendar 2025 will have been quite a bit lower than it will be in calendar 2026.

https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program-men...tion-club-refurbishment-schedule-through-2026

 

[intamin]

Some use AUL as SAP+ as well

After the rest of the dues were announced the AUL increase doesn't seem so bad..

 

[Memorymakerfor4]

Some use AUL as SAP+ as well

If I had a SAP+ resort, this would be it!

 

[VGCgroupie]

Some use AUL as SAP+ as well

Me

 

[foodiddiedoo]

Since I own all my 630 points at BLT I super hope 2027 dues aren't increased as astronomically. I felt a bit sick when I saw the new price thinking they wouldn't pop above 8.50

 

[JulieBeeRN]

So long as dues are less than Disney's rack rates, there will always be value in the contract. And, the good news is that cash rates at Disney tend to go up at a rate that equals or exceeds the rate of inflation. So, dues may be $15/point in 12 years, but Disney's rack rate may go from $25/point to $30/point. When you think about the effect of inflation on today's dollars, it always feels somewhat awkward to think about the fact that something that costs $X today will cost $Y in so many years. For example, even if you just assume a modest 3% inflation rate, something that costs $10 today should cost $14.26 in 12 years.

I just pulled up a basic inflation calculator - https://www.calculator.net/inflation-calculator.html. It's a fun exercise to put in the dues for a given resort and see what the dues of that resort should be if it had just tracked inflation. A few examples.

RIV opened in December 2019 with annual dues of $8.31. If that had kept pace with inflation, dues today should be $10.46. Actual dues starting in January will only be $9.46.

CCV opened in July 2017 with annual dues of $7.33. If that had kept pace with inflation, dues today should be $9.73. Actual dues starting in January will only be $9.02

BLT opened in August 2009 with annual dues of $3.67. Here, the growth in dues have exceeded inflation - had it tracked inflation, dues would only be $5.52. Actual dues starting in January will be $8.74.

SSR opened in May 2004 with annual dues of $3.80. Growth has also exceeded inflation here - had it tracked inflation, dues would only be $6.53. Actual dues starting in January will be $9.19.

VGF opened in October 2013 with annual dues of $5.41. If dues had tracked inflation, they should be $7.52. Actual dues starting in January will be $8.31.

Just a few examples.

Hmmm, I feel like this math completely justifies purchasing more contracts next year!

 

[Chili327]

SAP = points for use exclusively or primarily outside of the homes resort
SAP+ = points that will often be used outside of the home resort, but for which there is a desirable/advantageous reason to own at that resort as well

Classic examples of pure SAP would be OKW or SSR - don't need home resort priority there for most rooms, most of the time.
SAP+ examples might be CCV/BLT/VGF/PVB - pretty cheap dues, but there are also rooms there for which home resort priority can be pretty important and desirable.

Most wouldn't put VGC/VDH/BWV/BCV in a SAP+ category because those points typically make the most sense to use exclusively at their home resort.

Of course, it is also somewhat subjective to the individual whether they view something as SAP+

I’m not 100% sure, but I might have been the one that coined the phrase SAP+, but that is definitely the best description I have ever seen.
*except OKW*

Some use AUL as SAP+ as well

If I had a SAP+ resort, this would be it!

Me

Subsidized or regular?
I wouldn’t count regular AUL or OKW as SAP+ or at least not good ones (because of the price or the dues)

 

[VGCgroupie]

I’m not 100% sure, but I might have been the one that coined the phrase SAP+, but that is definitely the best description I have ever seen.
*except OKW*





Subsidized or regular?
I wouldn’t count regular AUL or OKW as SAP+ or at least not good ones (because of the price or the dues)

All of my Aulani points are sub

 

[airjay75]

I’m not 100% sure, but I might have been the one that coined the phrase SAP+, but that is definitely the best description I have ever seen.
*except OKW*

Thank you! That is high praise . And, I agree personally about OKW. I just included it because I think some people treat it that way even though SSR is the way better option economically if you're going with the low upfront buy-in SAP.

 

[Genie+]

Resort	Total Dues	Operating	Cap. Reserves	Ad Valorem Tax
VGF	8.31	5.56	0.97	1.98
PVB	8.33	5.56	1.10	1.87
BLT	8.74	5.32	1.41	2.20
CCV	9.02	5.67	1.47	2.09
SSR	9.18	6.20	1.52	1.68
RIV	9.46	6.56	1.15	1.98
VGC	9.52	7.64	1.68	1.19
BWV	9.67	6.51	1.42	1.96
BRV	9.77	6.52	1.67	1.81
BCV	9.81	6.49	1.49	2.05
AKV	10.16	7.01	1.53	1.86
VDH	10.54	7.83	1.83	1.17
AUL	10.96	8.53	1.67	0.75
OKW	11.21	7.62	2.20	1.65
CFW	12.28	8.90	1.74	1.95
HHI	12.86	10.00	2.73	0.49
VB	14.89	11.42	2.90	0.57

Whoops- had to fix BLT Cap Res 1.40 to 1.41

And VGC Op 7.46 to 7.64 (guess I should’ve proofread first)

 

[VGCgroupie]

Resort	Total Dues	Operating	Cap. Reserves	Ad Valorem Tax
VGF	8.31	5.56	0.97	1.98
PVB	8.33	5.56	1.10	1.87
BLT	8.74	5.32	1.40	2.20
CCV	9.02	5.67	1.47	2.09
SSR	9.18	6.20	1.52	1.68
RIV	9.46	6.56	1.15	1.98
VGC	9.52	7.46	1.68	1.19
BWV	9.67	6.51	1.42	1.96
BRV	9.77	6.52	1.67	1.81
BCV	9.81	6.49	1.49	2.05
AKV	10.16	7.01	1.53	1.86
VDH	10.54	7.83	1.83	1.17
AUL	10.96	8.53	1.67	0.75
OKW	11.21	7.62	2.20	1.65
CFW	12.28	8.90	1.74	1.95
HHI	12.86	10.00	2.73	0.49
VB	14.89	11.42	2.90	0.57

Going to show my ignorance here.. ad valorem tax is what exactly? Beach resorts sure save money there.

 

[Brian Noble]

Property taxes. Based on the value of the underlying property and then taxed at the local rate.