Dues increase

[disneynutz]

I found it interesting that the Aulani dues were all messed up with someone really underestimating. Now my BLT dues are going up. Seems like they found a way to make up for the Aulani mistake.

The President at Disney who built Aulani also built BLT. It has been posted on the DIS by someone with inside knowledge that the furnishing, design, hard goods, and mechanical issues at BLT were a direct result of the President making design modifications to reduce cost.

Bill

 

[zalansky]

I can't keep up with a $120 increase every year. Actually I could, but I don't want to. I get it that Disney is high traffic, but there should never be an 8+% increase at any property, period. Technically, we're not owners since we don't own for life. But we're helping fund the high volume of Disney guests. I am just bitter right now, I love my DVC but a hefty increase every year is going to turn me sour!

 

[disneynutz]

I can't keep up with a $120 increase every year. Actually I could, but I don't want to. I get it that Disney is high traffic, but there should never be an 8+% increase at any property, period. Technically, we're not owners since we don't own for life. But we're helping fund the high volume of Disney guests. I am just bitter right now, I love my DVC but a hefty increase every year is going to turn me sour!

Disney has stated that they will not increase the dues more than 15% so we still have a way to go.

Bill

 

[zalansky]

Disney has stated that they will not increase the dues more than 15% so we still have a way to go.

Bill

How kind of them

 

[momof3poohlovers]

Ok, according to my calculations my dues increased 16.62%? I own at BLT, AKV and BCV. I own 740 points total and my dues were $3,189.55 and for 2012 they are $3,719.68. They increased $530.13! How can this be possible if they can only increase a total of 15%?

 

[rlovew]

Some of the difference may be additional property tax from this year's dues. I know my 160 BLT points have an extra $20 in property taxes that were not taken out last year that I have to pay with the 2012 dues. That would not be considered an actual increase in dues even though it is an effective increase.

 

[tjkraz]

Ok, according to my calculations my dues increased 16.62%? I own at BLT, AKV and BCV. I own 740 points total and my dues were $3,189.55 and for 2012 they are $3,719.68. They increased $530.13! How can this be possible if they can only increase a total of 15%?

You are either not providing all necessary info or you are reading the statement incorrectly. AKV and BLT dues did go up about 8% each. BCV is up 4%. Your total dues for those 3 resorts did not go up 16% from 2011 to 2012.

I would suggest looking at the property taxes. If 2011 taxes were under-estimated, you are being billed for the 2011 underpayment as well as dues for 2012.

 

[momof3poohlovers]

You are either not providing all necessary info or you are reading the statement incorrectly. AKV and BLT dues did go up about 8% each. BCV is up 4%. Your total dues for those 3 resorts did not go up 16% from 2011 to 2012.

I would suggest looking at the property taxes. If 2011 taxes were under-estimated, you are being billed for the 2011 underpayment as well as dues for 2012.

I should clarify, my total bill increased 16%. The dues themselves increased 8%. I guess that is where my confusion came in. It is still a pretty large increase though. To get hit with a $530 increase is a little much for one year whether or not it is partially due to property taxes not being estimated properly.

 

[LUVMICKEY]

We have 300 points at BCV and 50 points at BLT. We were paying $145.22 per month dues, we now pay $155.20. That's the biggest jump we've ever seen.

 

[connorlevismom]

As for the reasons for the increase, as Bill said DVC claims staffing was increased in several areas. In addition to more housekeepers they also added supervisors to inspect rooms prior to their release for guest occupancy. Room assigners were also mentioned (to do a better job of matching member requests with available rooms.)

Well, let's hope this is really where our money is going because they clearly NEED this.

I wonder if we will see a lot of contracts come up on the resale market soon.

 

[going/again]

Some resorts went up almost 8%. We asked for better Mousekeeping and now we are paying for it.

Bill

Are we, or are we paying for full mousekeeping for upgraded/cash guests who get it everyday?

 

[disneynutz]

Are we, or are we paying for full mousekeeping for upgraded/cash guests who get it everyday?

Disney would tell you no but they have so many problems with other things, I don't feel confident that they keep track like they should.

Bill

 

[connorlevismom]

Are we, or are we paying for full mousekeeping for upgraded/cash guests who get it everyday?

This is a really interesting point.

 

[BeccaG]

Speaking of dues, there was/is a post with the historical dues and current rates by resort....does that still exist? Anyone have the link handy? TIA

 

[luckyman_apd]

Speaking of dues, there was/is a post with the historical dues and current rates by resort....does that still exist? Anyone have the link handy? TIA

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2823949

 

[zorro77]

Just received our dues for next year. We own 855 points and am afraid to open up the bills. I believe we have till Feb 15th to pay off or can do it monthly.

 

[candielips]

At the rates the increases are going, it seems like we are going to be paying $10pp in 10 years for just the dues! Not sure how justifiable this is.
We just bought into SSR this Sept and am now a little afraid that we wont be able to afford our dues in 20 or 30 years.

 

[tjkraz]

At the rates the increases are going, it seems like we are going to be paying $10pp in 10 years for just the dues! Not sure how justifiable this is.
We just bought into SSR this Sept and am now a little afraid that we wont be able to afford our dues in 20 or 30 years.

Try to keep things in perspective.

Saratoga Springs is going into its 9th year of operations. Over that period. annual increases have averaged less than 3% per year.

It's not going to be a fixed percent annually. Different budget items will go up and down in response to changes in fuel costs (transportation), insurance rates, property tax values, employee wages and benefits, etc.

Yes, from 2011 to 2012 SSR dues went up 4.8%. However from 2010 to '11 they went up only 1.1%. Two year average is...again...less than 3% per year.

Part of the reason for the higher-than-normal 2012 increase is staffing and upkeep for the new pool that opened in 2011.

There's really not much justification for the doom-and-gloom.

 

[BeccaG]

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2823949

Thank you!

 

[disneynutz]

Try to keep things in perspective.

Saratoga Springs is going into its 9th year of operations. Over that period. annual increases have averaged less than 3% per year.

It's not going to be a fixed percent annually. Different budget items will go up and down in response to changes in fuel costs (transportation), insurance rates, property tax values, employee wages and benefits, etc.

Yes, from 2011 to 2012 SSR dues went up 4.8%. However from 2010 to '11 they went up only 1.1%. Two year average is...again...less than 3% per year.

Part of the reason for the higher-than-normal 2012 increase is staffing and upkeep for the new pool that opened in 2011.

There's really not much justification for the doom-and-gloom.

If Disney continues to increase their sales prices, wouldn't that set the value for property tax purposes. Here in Texas all it takes is one idiot to sell his house or land at a higher than normal price and the tax assessor uses it to up the value for everyone. Conversely, if a property sells at a low or normal price, that is ignored.

Bill