Driving versus Flying - A REAL Comparison

I would be very concerned about possibility of accidents while driving such long distances.
Most accidents happen within a few miles of one's own home -- they happen in the places where we drive most, the places at which we probably let our guard down.

I think I won't go to work tomorrow -- I might be in an accident. Sound silly? Of course it is. We don't make decisions based upon the fear of what "might happen". We take reasonable precautions and go ahead.
 
Since I use my car for work and actually take the government write off I will state why the number is so high. I will become obvious why this entire number cannot be used.

Included in the #/mile is

Gas
Insurance
Registeration
Oil changes
Depreciation
Tires
State inspection
and on and on.
 
Originally Posted by imsayin
Cars are depreciated based on age, not mileage.

Well, it's actually both . . . I mean, suppose you were looking for a used Ford Explorer and you found two nice ones. They're both 2005 models, both nicely maintained, but one has 50,000 miles, and the other has 150,000 miles -- one'd be worth more than the other.

I agree with your example. In my original post I gave an example of a 7 y/o vehicle with 110,000 vs 120,000 miles (assuming 10,000 road trip miles) stating that at that point the "depreciation" is negligible. According to Kelly Blue Book, my 10,000 vacation miles at that point only cost me $175 in total.
 
I contend your average person over estimates how much money they are saving driving versus flying. For example...

You can currently get a round trip ticket between Washington DC and Orlando during the month of May for $179. So let's say you have a family of 4. That's $716 in airfare. Let's assume someone will drop you off and pick you up at the airport in DC and you have arranged a shuttle in Orlando for $43 each way (in a Lincoln Towncar no less). You don't have any parking fees of course. So total transportation cost is $716+$43+$43 = $802 for a family of 4 flying.

DC to Orlando is 852 miles or 13 hours. That's about 1-1/2 days of driving when you consider bathroom breaks, meals, occasional traffic congestion, etc. Here's the estimated costs of the drive, one-way:

Gas $2.50/gallon (driving a mid-size SUV, say Ford Explorer V6/4WD/AT getting an average 20MPG which is pretty good) - $106.50 in gas

Wear & Tear on car and depreciation of car due to mileage - The standard mileage rate according to the IRS is $0.445 cents per mile = $379 in wear & tear/depreciation. Let's say the car isn't that new and the people reading this are skeptical about the whole wear & tear/depreciation value (until they go to sell their used car. :o So let's have the wear & tear/depreciation cost each way to $190.

One night motel stay = $50

1 breakfast, 2 lunches, 1 dinner for 4 at Denny's (including tax and tip) = $20 + 2x$25 + $30 = $100

Number of hours of free time lost driving in car as opposed to flying = 13 hours driving - 3 hours flying = approx. 10 hours times the monetary value you assign your free/vacation time. Let's say $20/hr = $200. Heck lets say you don't value your free/vacation time that much (I value mine at $40/hr) and say $10/hr * 10 hrs = $100

You may or may not have parking fees while you are there. If you do, they will be $10-$15 a day in the resort or at the park. Let's say some people get free or reduced fee parking and just allow an average $5/day for parking/valet fees for a 4-day stay or $20.

So total for driving is:

Gas - $106.5 X 2 (for both ways) = $213
Motel - $50 X 2 (for both ways) = $100
Meals - $100 X 2 (for both ways) = $200
Depreciation of car = $190X2 = $380
Opportunity Cost of Free Time spent driving - $100 X 2 = $200
Parking - $20

Total realistic cost of driving from DC = $1113
Flying = $802

Money saved in exhchange for spending 3 days in a car driving from DC = -$311 (that's a loss of $311 even with a very conservative wear&tear/depreciation cost.)

The example may be a longer drive than your own, but heck, some people might drive from Chicago or Boston which is longer. So I don't think an example of driving 850 miles or a day and a half is unreasonable. You also have to consider the airfare USUALLY gets cheaper as you get closer, sometimes not as is the case with Atlanta.

Now some may argue, the time in the car doesn't cost them anything so I shouldn't add $200 to the driving cost for lost opportunity time. But I should point out the other important point is by spending 20 more hours total on the road than in the plane, the statistics regarding the chances of being in an accident are MUCH MUCH higher driving than flying. Even if the number of hours were equal (3 hours each way in both) the statistics of your chances of getting in a car wreck versus a plane crash are still MUCH MUCH higher (I find it surprising how few people really grasp this fact.) I think that's worth something. It would be the same as free time. You would assign your own personal value to it. So for me, spending those 20 hours less on the road is indeed worth $40/hr to me in combined lowered risk and increased free/vacation time which to me is worth a totoal $800.

By the way, if you want to know how much the difference in risk really is, see "Flying & Driving After The September 11 Attacks" at http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/16237?&print=yes. They state "we estimate that driving the length of a typical nonstop segment (718 miles) is approximately 65 times as risky as flying."


FYI. The current round trip ticket from Atlanta is $259 and that would only be a days drive so in that case, you *MIGHT* save a significant amount of money driving (provided you assign little or no value to the time/risk saved as discussed above and your cars was pretty old already - otherwise it would still be better to fly) so it does depend on where you are traveling from.

But my point in general is, in most cases, your average Joe is way OVER estimating how much money they are saving in reality by driving versus flying let alone the risk they are putting their family at spending all those hours on the highway. In fact in most cases it is probably a loss or at best a break even unless you live within just a few hours of the park (say 250 miles or less?) And by the way, the risk part can't be argued as it is a statistical fact. It can be ignored, which is what we all basically do when we go on road trips.

I'll agree with the final point that most people probably DO oversetimate the amount of money they could be saving by driving vs. flying, and in certain circumstances flying might be cheaper than driving, but this whole post reminds me of the saying that there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

If you selectively choose the paramters as you have, then you can make almost anything look competitive. I thought about trying to examine this point by point, but I don't think I will bother.

There are a couple of items I'd like to point out however. Like disneysteve, I didn't read the whole thread, so perhaps some others have made these points already.

1. It is a big assumption you make that there will be someone to drop off/pick up at the airport to avoid the airport parking fees. For a Sunday departure/Saturday return (our typical travel pattern to WDW) that 7 days of parking - typically about $60 near the Philadelphia airport.

2. Your quoted airfares appear to be the booking rates for fares. I just did a quick check on Travelocity for Dulles - Orlando from May 5 to May 12 - similar to your posted travel. Only looking at non-stops (for the time savings, and I would not want to change planes with my 2 year old and 5 year old daughters in tow). The airfare was only $165 per person, but TSA fee, airport departure fee, taxes, etc. bumped the total up to $202.30 per person.

3. Opportunity cost: This is purely subjective for many people. Similar to some others, the way we travel to WDW, there isn't any additional opportunity cost of driving for us. Being DVC members, we typically check in on Sunday, and check out on Saturday morning (we're willing to pay the high points for one night of weekend lodging, but not both). This means that if we fly, we leave on the earliest flight on Sunday morning out of Philly and return on a late Saturday afternoon flight. If we drive, we leave early Saturday morning and drive all day... one overnight in a motel and we get to Disney earlier on Sunday than we would when flying. On the trip home we still arrive home early on Sunday and have time to relax and unwind from the drive before heading back to work Monday morning. Either way we still use 5 days of vacation time - all of which is spent 100% in WDW enjoying the resort and parks.

4. The final difference from a vacation style standpoint, but which also can have significant economic impact, is having or not having a car in WDW. We would never vacation there without one. Especially with small children, having the car gives us the option to easily get back to our resort (and since we stay at Old Key West, we can park right outside our room instead of having to walk back to the room from a bus stop) for a nap so we can spend more time at the parks in the evening. If you add in the cost of a rental car to flying, the balance tips totally in favor of driving.

Having said all of this, we don't drive to Disney since we had our girls. We do other long distance trips, but since they are still relatively young, Disney is a bit far to go. Perhaps in another couple of years.

In fact our trip next month is even less "economical" since we are taking the AutoTrain. From my research, it will be about $100 to $200 more for the week long stay than flying would have been to fly and rent a minivan in Orlando, but for that premium, we get a family sleeping compartment on the train, and we have our own minivan with everything we can pack into it (and we avoid roughly 1600 miles of wear and tear/depreciation on our van).

We've never done the Autotrain before and for this trip it is an experiment, adventure that is definitely a part of the vacation, not just about getting from point a to point b.
 

4. The final difference from a vacation style standpoint, but which also can have significant economic impact, is having or not having a car in WDW. We would never vacation there without one. Especially with small children, having the car gives us the option to easily get back to our resort (and since we stay at Old Key West, we can park right outside our room instead of having to walk back to the room from a bus stop) for a nap so we can spend more time at the parks in the evening. If you add in the cost of a rental car to flying, the balance tips totally in favor of driving.

I was just about to make this point - DITTO!!!
 
I've been running the numbers for our family. We have both flown and driven to WDW. I much prefer flying!!!

We are a family of six. We're going in July this year. Flights are high right now but I'll use the $175 from the OP. We're staying 11 days at OKW and wouldn't be without a car. We can drive it in about 16 hours (with stops) and change drivers when one of us gets tired. We stay one night on the way down and drive straight thru on the way home. We eat breakfast in the car and fast food for lunch and dinner. This trip we are meeting family in Orlando and so would not have to have a van but could have a rental that seats 5

Flying
Flights 175 x 6 = 1050 out of Pit
Rental Car 11days = 350
Airport Parking = 75
Time 7.5 hrs (1.5 to airport 2 hrs before 2 hr flight 1.5 in Orlando for bags and rental .5 hr still to drive to OKW this is presuming no problems)
Breakfast before we go. Lunch when we get there.

Total 1475.00

Driving
Mini Van 24 hmpg between 975 and 1000 miles so I'll go with 1000. Gas is around 2.30 a gallon here now.

Gas = 200 round trip
Hotel Marriott rewards
Food 200.00 round trip
Extra Time 8.5 hrs x 10/hr = 85.00 x 2 170.00
We will have the van for lots (and lots) of miles but even throw in $200 for depreciation

Total 740
Savings 735.00 to drive

even if we were a family of four it would still be $385.00 cheaper to drive.

We are driving down on a Saturday and driving home on a Thursday but not going back to work until the following Monday so missed work time isn't a factor.

I still want to fly!! :rotfl:
 
My apologies if this has been covered, but there's no way you can get from your front door (DC area) to Mickey's in three hours. I fly out of all 3 DC airports for a living, and you're lucky if you can get from the airport parking lot to your gate inside 1 hour. The break-even point strictly in terms of time is probably around 7 hours, door-to-lobby.

Even using your numbers, I still prefer our six-hour drive, as I value having our car there - and I fly for FREE!
 
I agree with the poster that said the only real comparison is based on your family. Too many variables to consider- it's like comparing apples to oranges. Another thing I don't get is why is the cost of the trip once you get there a factor? It may be that it's still a little early for me and I haven't had enough of this :surfweb: , but I don't understand why you're starting to factor in the cost of tickets, rooms, and meals once you arrive? What's that got to do with cost of driving vs flying? I would understand it if we were talking about an overall vacation budget, but that wasn't your original debate.

With that said, with my family there are many variables to consider when deciding between driving and flying. We have done both. We are a family of 4.
Here are the breakdowns of our recent trips:

Flying trip, Oct 05. DH working at job where he could choose when he wanted to take vacation. We live 2 hours away from nearest airport. We prefer morning flights. Our flight left at 10:00 am on a Saturday, so that meant we needed to be at the airport by 7:30 am. Needed to leave home no later than 5:30- actually say 5:00 am to add in time to park. I am a bit paranoid about missing flights. That meant we would have to be up by 3:00 am as DH and I would need a shower, time to get the kids up and moving, and time to pack the van (I don't trust my neighbors enough to do it the night before). DH worked in the restaurant business at the time and didn't get home until 9:00 pm the night before. Factor in time to wind-down and it's now 11:00 pm. Now I'm paranoid we will miss the alarm, so I book a room near the airport for the night before at a cost of $100. This includes free breakfast, free parking for the time we're gone, and free shuttle to the airport. Gas for round-trip to the airport will be about $20. We are set. Shuttle driver takes us to the airport. We give him a $10 tip. We purchase a couple of sodas at the airport- my mind is fuzzy on the cost there, I want to say $2. We had a good DING rate on SW, so tickets were $450. So far we have spent $582. We use ME to get to the resort. Free. Take a shuttle to get the rental car for one day that cost $50. We have a great time, we leave to go home. Tip ME driver $10. Tip hotel shuttle driver for pick-up at the airport $20 (there was some confusion on pick-up time so I gave him more). Total for transportation is $$662. Not too bad.

Fast forward to July 06. DH has now changed jobs and can only take vacation during plant shut-down times. Read: week of July 4th and week of Christmas. Most expensive times to travel. This trip was planned 5 weeks out. When I looked at airfare as soon as we decided to go, it would have cost us $1200 to fly. I want to say the last time I looked was a week before we left and it was up to $1600. There was no way I was going to pay that- we decided to drive. Having said that, IF we HAD flown, we would've had to leave on a Saturday because DH's last day of work involved inventory and there was no telling when he was going to be done. Plus he would've been penalized for leaving work early that day. We were able to leave Friday around 1:00 pm. It takes us 19 hours driving straight thru to get to Orlando. This includes stops for gas and potty. So for gas, we spent $275 (round-trip and while we were there). I won't include depreciation because that's really a non-factor to me. Our van is a 1999 and has close to 110,000 miles on it. I won't count oil change/tune-up cost as that's normal anyway. We bring a large cooler for pop. Pop and ice were about $18 (we drink Kroger brand). Snacks were around $10. Since we planned to leave late afternoon, we didn't bother with stuff for sandwiches, just hit a Mc D's on the road. Got it to go, of course.;) Another $20 (I rounded this figure up). Total so far is now at $323. On the way home, we hit a CiCi's for dinner. I want to say that was about $25. Stopped for the night- another $100. Hotel offerings for breakfast were awful, hit Mc D's for another $20. Lunch at an Arby's another $20. So the drive down and back cost us $488. Compared to the lowest airfare I could find, plus adding in another $150 more to what we spent on the car rental in October (because I won't do another trip w/o a car), we saved $1166 by driving. That's a substantial amount of money to me.

One last thing. I'm a little offended by the "if you drive more than 15 hours, you're nuts" comment. My DH gets up at 3:00 am to go to work. The night before we left on the July trip, I stayed up until 4:00 am so I would be able to sleep while DH was at work (kids spent the night with my parents). I was up at noon when he got home. I did this so I WOULD be fresh to drive most of the trip. When DH is tired, he can sleep almost anywhere. He slept for a good 8 hours while I drove the first 12. I slept while he drove the last 7. Moral of the story- please don't make blanket statements about people you don't know! On the plus side, we ended up getting to Orlando much earlier by driving than we would have if we had flown.

Would I rather fly? Yes. In the end if it comes down to being able to afford the trip by driving or not going, I'm gonna choose driving every time.;)
 
same with not sleeping for a long period of time.

My DH's normal day-to-day schedule:

Up at 4:00 am and out the door to run at 4:30am. Come back, shower, shave, go to work. Come home, dinner, evening diversions/house, bedtime about 9:00pm.

My DH's normal driving schedule:

Up at 4:00 am and out the door at 4:30 am. Drive to FL. Get to our house at 9:00 pm. Have a beer and a bowl of ice cream (don't ask :rolleyes: ), go to bed.

Sooo....

Anne
 
Now we do only have 1 child, so there is no backseat bickering. If we had 2 or 3, I might feel differently.


:rotfl: :thumbsup2

Our son always was a good traveler, I think for the same reason. he had the entire backseat to himself. No bickering. He could stretch out and sleep, spread out an entire three continent war of green army men complete with war planes and tanks and fox holes made out of Lego's across the entire back of the car. (Lego's SO missed the mark by not coming out with camo colored Lego's!) He could watch whatever DVD he wanted--although he got the portable DVD player as a HS grad gift, so he didn't have that when he was younger.

I think not having to share made it easier for all of us!

Anne
 
19 hours? Just you driving? If that is the case, Hard Core is an understatement. I did LA to Seattle straight but that was switching off with another driver and no kids in the car. And we were both halucinating when we got to Seattle because no matter how hard you try (without the aid of drugs) you don't really sleep in a car when it is bombing 70 MPH down I-5.

So I'd even venture to say anyone driving straight for more than 15 hours even switching off drivers, that's not a wise decision from a safety standpoint. And I did this when I was young and youthful and rested. Doing only one driver for 19 hours is pure craziness and I consider myself a risk taker (especially compared to my wife.) We both got a $120 speeding ticket on the way. Our fault, but add that to the cost. It was 21 hours straight if I remember so 10+ hours of driving per person. Driving straight for 15 hours or more sounds just pure desperate to me.



You're NUTS!

Nope, it can be safely done. I don't do a thing I don't *have* to do for a couple days before the trip so I can get plenty of rest. Start bright and early on travel day, make lots of stops to get out and get some fresh air and walk around a bit, and get into Orlando late at night.

If I were to stop after say 12 hours. . . figure 6AM to 6PM, I wouldn't end up falling asleep til midnight or so (forcing myself to sleep) so I might as well stay in the car and keep going and go to sleep at my end point.
 
Well, if you have unlimited funds, i agree.......... However, when you are watching your spending, to spend upwards of hundreds more.. it's not worth it.
Again, great for you if you don't have to care about money.. but, not all of us are that lucky.;)

That's not exactly it. I don't think many people here have unlimited funds. It's just a matter of preference.

Luckily I live in Chicago and cheap fares are pretty easy to find (paying just about $120/rt for our trip in 2 weeks) but if the costs for flights suddenly jumped much higher, I simply wouldn't go to WDW, or would go MUCH less often.

I HATE road trips that much. I'd rather go less often than sit in a car for 20+ hours.
 
I HATE road trips that much. I'd rather go less often than sit in a car for 20+ hours.

And that's why there is no right answer to this issue. We would rather drive than spend 2+ hours sitting in an airport, another 2+ hours crammed into an airplane, more time standing in security lines, rental car lines, baggage claim lines, etc. We like to load the car at home, get on the road and unload the car at the door of our condo the next day. Cost is one reason we choose driving, but it certainly isn't the only reason.
 
There seems to be a some common threads in a lot of the repsonses that I want to address.

1) The comments regarding selectively choosing parameters to create a desired outcome in the examples. In fact, everyone here is doing it. I'd say the only parameter that I disregarded in all my flying calculations that I probably should have included if I was trying to create a 'common' scenario was rental car, especially if you are going to WDW. I'd say it is more common to leave it out for Disneyland.

But the converse is that most everyone here who did their calculation also did it with selective parameters too, namely leaving out depreciation, cost of lost time/opportunity, and the increased risk of driving long distances. While on the depreciation, I agree if you are driving a car with 80,000-120,000 miles on it, it becomes insignificant, but then I'd say the vast minority of drivers not only on this board but also to Disneyland are driving newer cars with much less than 80,000 miles. Just because the used car value websites don't change the value when you add another 1,000 or 2,000 miles doesn't mean it is not a factor. The way the web sites work is the price goes down when you go past certain points, usually in 5,000 increments. So if you put 39,000 then 41,000 you may see the value drop but 37,000 then 39,000 nothing happens because 40,000 is the cut-off. If you recorded every signficant trip of 100 miles or more you made in your car, then wanted to evaluate how much each trip affected your car value, it would never affect it if you checked it that way as 100 or 200 miles or even 800 miles won't make a difference on those web calculators. 40,000 miles will. That is typically the point where most cars are worth cloe to half what they were brand new. So on a $30K car, at 40,000 miles, it has a trade in value of $15K. That's an average depreciation of $0.375 per mile. The trips you took to Disney when the car was pretty new would depreciate it more than that, the later trips less than that.

When I first started this thread I had no expectation for anyone to count the cost of lost time/opportunity. It something more common in the investment world. And I don't expect to convince anyone that their free time has a monetary value (but it does.) :) One poster valued their time at $60,000 - granted it was a joke, but they get my point. I valued mine at $1,100 for 28 hours extra spent in a car instead of watching sports from the comfort of my couch (just kidding, I'm not that into watching sports.) And on my own estimate, I did count ALL the time for flying including driving to/from the airport and arriving 1.5 hours before the flight.

So I view disregarding the lost opportunity cost just as "selective" as leaving out rental car cost. The thing is, the rental car is technically not a *required* cost. The lost time spent in the car all those hours - you can't get around it (unless you have a time machine), aside from saying you don't mind so saving all those hours isn't worth anything to you. You can say the driving is a "fun" and memorable part of the trip, I don't disagree, it can be. But I do contend there are other even more fun and memorable things you could be doing those 20+ hours. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, especially about the value of their free time and how they like to spend it. I just think if you took a poll across a good representative group of people, sitting in a car will not be high on the list.

One poster pointed out they do not gain much in the way of extra days if they fly. Extra days on the vacation are not the lost opportunity here. No matter how you cut it, driving takes a lot longer as far as the number of hours spent traveling provided you are a significant distance from the park. As many posters here have pointed out, they couldn't afford to spend the extra days at Disney anyway.

One way to look at it is think of your favorite activity that doesn't cost any money. I can definitely say for the majority of people it is NOT sitting in a car. Maybe playing baseball with your kids is it, or playing some sport yourself. Or working in your garden. Or hanging out at the beach. Something you really like to do but never seem to have as much time as you would like to do it as much as you like. Then think for a small fee (cost of lost opportunity is only a part of the total cost of driving) you can spend all those hours doing other activities that you like better instead of sitting in a car.

The cost of lost time/opportunity can be illustrated in a lot of different scenarios. I would bet in some scenaros, people WOULD put a value on the saved time/inconvenience and opt for the more expensive option given a choice. They just select not to do it in this case for whatever reason. It is sort of like standing at a Ferry dock. There are two boats going to the same place. Boat A takes a shortcut that takes only 2 hours and is on smooth seas. It costs $40/person for a ticket. Boat B takes a long rough route and makes some stops on the way and takes 12 hours to get there and you most likely will get seasick. The ticket is $20/person. Some people will stick it out just to save the $20 no matter how much time and inconvenience is involved. That's their perogative. Some people simply don't have the $40 but my contention is if something is important enough they always find a way to afford it. Here the difference in money is small compared to driving/flying to Disney. But technically, you are putting a value of $20/ 12-2 = 10 hours = $2/hr on your free time. Not very much, but more than anyone here has placed on it except myself and the $60K person.

So I'll include rental car cost in my estimate when you include lost cost of opportunity.

2) Regarding the total trip cost having a bearing on the descision to drive or fly - someone said it was not relevant. I disagree. It goes back to the mindset of saving a buck no matter what. A buck saved is a buck saved. Well the saying "a penny wise, a pound foolish" comes into play. My analogy would be buying a new car. The new car costs $30K. The Air Conditioning option is $400 extra. In order to *save* $400, you opt not to get the air conditioning even though you live in an area that gets hot for several months out of the year and $400 represents only 1.4% of the total cost. While most of the scenarios posted here, people are saving at least 20%. My point is the more typical scenario you won't save that much as a percentage of the entire trip. So the savings becomes less significant.

Are there families that take a week vacation to WDW where they splurge once they get there and stay in a decent hotel, eat out in decent restaurants, hit some water parks or see some shows, and buy some souvenirs? Definitely. And do some of those families drive to save money? Definitely. I just find it a little odd that someone would spend $4K+ on a trip and then spend 20+ hours extra in a car, putting their family at 65 times the risk to save a relatively small percentage of the overall cost. Granted no one here has indicated they are in this group as most people that drive are on a tight budget to begin with. But I think this other scenario may be more common than you would belive. I'm talking about scenarious inbetween the extremes posted here. Doesn't look like anyone here falls in that category, but to be honest the trip in most cases ends up costing you more than you think it would, not much more if you are well disciplined. I'd say most people don't even count up all the receipts when everthing is said and done, so most don't even know the grand total. They just pay as much as they can on the credit card bill and live with it. All they know is they save some amount of money driving.

2) Safety - Driving is 65 times more dangerous than flying. One poster pointed out they *feel* more safe being in control of the vehicle. You and millions of others feel the same way. But feeling safe doesn't make you any more safer. In fact feeling *unsafe* will make you drive slower. I've driven short distances when I was tired, and felt stupid for doing it, but I was less tired than I would be at the end of 10, 12, 15 hours of driving without sleep. I'm not going to give a lesson in statistics here but the fact of the matter is every additional mile you drive, you are a little more likely to be in an accident. There is a value associated with not having to drive an extra few thousand miles. That's why when you apply for auto insurance they ask how many miles a year you drive. The more you drive the more likely you are to get in an accident. That's just the fact. The fact also is the posts here do not accurately represent all the drivers out there. Someone who got in a bad wreck and injured their children on the way to Disney is NOT likely to be posting their story here in this discussion - they're not even on this board. As the saying in the investment world goes "past performance is not an indicator of future performance" - Just because you haven't gotten in a mishap thus far, doesn't preclude you from getting in one in the future. Statistically something will probably eventually happen if you drive enough miles over the years, especially if you do it for many hours at a time without rest. Lets just hope it is minor. Some call this paranoid, I call it being intelligent about recognizing actual risk factors and mitigating them reasonable to do so. This aspect hasn't been discussed in depth that much compared to the other issues because the facts are the facts. What is subjective about it is how fast you drive, how long you drive without rest, and the condition of your car. I still contend, and I'm not alone on this, that driving for many hours without sleep increases the risk and is not a wise decision (especially if your children are in the car) and I don't see how anyone could debate otherwise. Don't talk to me though - plead your case to any safety expert, any state patrol officer, any parent who fell asleep at the wheel or spaced out and drifted off the road -- Mrs. Pete defintely should talk to one of these people based on her previous comments. None of those people who had an accident actually thought it was going to happen to them. They probably pulled it off (driving straight through) numerous times before. If they thought it would happen to them, they wouldn't have been driving that long in the first place. Maybe you will pull it off an in your half dozen or more trips and 12,000 plus miles on the road to Disney not having one hitch. Lucky you.

3) Airfares can change more rapidly than gas prices. Your more likely to save $100's on airfare if you are patient and plan in advance, study the 90-day history and buy your airfare when it is at a low point. That's when the gap between driving and flying really closes. If you happen to evaluate the costs when airfares happen to be high, especially if you have a family larger than 4, then it isn't surprising that driving is cheper All the scenarios here appear to involve airfare that was NOT a low point. But everyone can't always wait and wait and there is no guarantee it will come down.

It appears most the people who have posted made the right decision for their circumstances. (As I said before, people are NOT likely to post about a bad decision made anyway - they are more like to post to defend their decision.) The point is at least people here are even analyzing the costs at all (aside from the safety factor and cost of lost time which are as someone pointed out very subjective - but factors nevertheless.)

A bid you a safe and fun trip whether you are driving or flying!
 
Cost is irrelevant for us on driving vs. flying. Driving is more pleasant. We can stop along the way if anything interests us. We can pack what we like. We can enjoy movies, books, games, and each others company along the way. We pack a big cooler of our specialty gourmet subs. We like the flexibility and not being captive to an airline. :goodvibes
 
It appears most the people who have posted made the right decision for their circumstances. (As I said before, people are NOT likely to post about a bad decision made anyway - they are more like to post to defend their decision.) The point is at least people here are even analyzing the costs at all (aside from the safety factor and cost of lost time which are as someone pointed out very subjective - but factors nevertheless.)

A bid you a safe and fun trip whether you are driving or flying!

I think this thread has proven that there is no "real" comparison. There are seemingly limitless variables that make each case completely unique. . . even for the same person or family.

When I get $29 Dings then it's pretty tough to beat flying. Of course I'm usually a party of 2 when I travel so it's not difficult to find that flying is cheaper. However certain factors can change that dramatically - such as one of the times I mentioned before when we decided with a week and a half to go and airfare would have been about $250-300 each with layovers and we would have needed a car since we were there primarily for the Florida Music Festival, not Disney. Or the time I had a LOT planned outside of Disney (two concerts - one downtown, one at Hard Rock Live), meeting up and visiting friends from my CP that still lived in Orlando, and I would have had to factor in peak airfare (over 4th of July) and a week and a half car rental. Much cheaper to drive and split the cost with the friend that went with me. Or the time I drove to do my CP. . .can't take my car on a plane! LOL! And no way would I justify the cost to have the car delivered to Orlando and no way I was going 4 1/2 months without a car, LOL.


A LOT of this comes down to personal preferences and not necessarily financial preferences. If someone prefers road trips over flying, any savings (time or money) won't look that great. It's not necessarily that someone *has* to drive, it's that they *want* to drive.
 
My apologies if this has been covered, but there's no way you can get from your front door (DC area) to Mickey's in three hours. I fly out of all 3 DC airports for a living, and you're lucky if you can get from the airport parking lot to your gate inside 1 hour. The break-even point strictly in terms of time is probably around 7 hours, door-to-lobby.

Door-to-lobby for me last August (I flew out of Baltimore) was about 5 hours total, and that was the very day after the "no liquids at all" rule was put into effect and security lines were hideous. [I am not making a judgment regarding which is better - driving or flying - but I think your figure of 7 hours might be a bit much if you are flying out of BWI, but is probably right on for Dulles].
 
Plus, a 13 hour drive? And a hotel? Wimps! We'd drive it in one day. ;) Like Anne's husband, we've done 17 hours to Jersey, 11 hours from Mississippi, and 15 hours from San Fran to Washington.


ROFLOL. Yes, I agree. We drive Chicago to New England a few times a year (about 900 miles), no need for an overnight there. Going to Disney (1100 miles) sometimes we have stopped overnight if we get a late start. I guess it is all what you are used to.
 
Consultant,

It's very apparent that YOU believe flying is better than driving. Which is great, you and your family should fly then, especially if you are unsafe drivers ($120 speeding tickets). It seems like you may be trying to justify spending more money to fly yourself, otherwise I see little reason to keep reiterating your points like you are doing. That being said, to assume that every family that drives can't afford to fly or recklessly racks up their credit cards (the budget board no less) on their trip is very condescending. There are some people that drive just so they have the extra money to spend in the parks while others enjoy the trip. Nearly everyone that has posted, aside from you, contends that it is a decision that varies from family to family, and families need to do whatever fits their situation best. There is no blanket statement or equation that applies for everyone all the time.

BTW, you used 65 m.p.h in your calculations, nearly all areas on I-95 between DC and Orlando are 70 -75 m.p.h.
 
Consultant,

It's very apparent that YOU believe flying is better than driving. Which is great, you and your family should fly then, especially if you are unsafe drivers ($120 speeding tickets). It seems like you may be trying to justify spending more money to fly yourself, otherwise I see little reason to keep reiterating your points like you are doing. That being said, to assume that every family that drives can't afford to fly or recklessly racks up their credit cards (the budget board no less) on their trip is very condescending. There are some people that drive just so they have the extra money to spend in the parks while others enjoy the trip. Nearly everyone that has posted, aside from you, contends that it is a decision that varies from family to family, and families need to do whatever fits their situation best. There is no blanket statement or equation that applies for everyone all the time.

BTW, you used 65 m.p.h in your calculations, nearly all areas on I-95 between DC and Orlando are 70 -75 m.p.h.

Agreed! Trust me, DH can easily afford to fly back and forth. But like I said, he brings that yummy W-Pop. It also gives him the opportunity to have his car while he's here, which is often for 2-3 weeks.

He LIKES to drive. :confused3 He's an experienced, safe driver who knows when enough is enough and isn't afraid to pull over for a nap, or just call it quits for teh night and get a hotel room. Because he drives an ambulance, he's required to take ongoing training in how to avoid accidents. Is that foolproof? nope, but it certainly gives him the edge. And unlike Consultant, he doesn't go roaring along getting $120 speeding tickets. :rolleyes:

Anne
 


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