Driver killed in monorail crash....

Among the friendliest CMs we met during our recent trip to WDW 2 weeks ago were the CMs and drivers working on the monorail and at the station stops. We rode up front with drivers twice. The CM who was killed was not one of our drivers, but after one stay, I feel like these wonderful people are far-away friends. Our prayers go out to the families of all those involved.
 
prayers going out to this young man's family and friends. such a tragedy for all involved.

i'm sure we will know soon enough what happened. i've ridden in the front of the monorail before and we stopped between the GF and MK. the driver told us there must be a monorail stopped ahead at MK because there's an automatic safety feature. but as has been said here before, there's an override and of course these things can always fail too. nothing works perfectly all the time. such a shame that someone had to lose their life in this situation.
 
I just watched the video a few times and it seems to me that the first two "guests" on the scene were actually plain clothes castmembers/security. There language is different from a regular guest and the monorail cm talks to them like they are there to help. It is nice to know that there are people around to help if you don't recognize them as such.

Those are probably guests. Perhaps they are police officers, EMT or fire fighters on vacation. Perhaps they are just smart, kind people trying to help.
 
I can't believe after 30+ years of monorail service at WDW, they still don't have engine-kill systems installed so that if one vehicle senses the presence of another within a given range, it automatically shuts down one or both vehicles. It is inconceivable to me how one monorail train could crash into another in this day and age, with so few trains on the track at any one time and absolutely no switch-tracks. When you consider the number of Disney buses on property, and that there have been no major (some minor) accidents like this, it boggles the mind. Whether or not it was the monorail driver's fault is irrelevant. Disney should have had safeguards in place to ever keep two trains from colliding.

They will/should suspend any guests from riding up front for a very long time.

They will/should suspend monorail service for at least 3-4 months while they install and test new safeguard systems.

Inexplicable and inexcusable are the only two words that come to mind. Oh, and one more... condolences.
You're kidding, right??? Of course there are safeguards, and those safeguards probably have safeguards. But accidents happen...safequards fail. Happens every day. I have complete faith that Disney had done all that they could do. Inexplicable? Inexcusable?? Maybe so..if we were to find out that Disney dropped the ball in some way. If it were to be proved that it was something that could have been prevented, then fine, go ahead and use those terms. But until then, let's accept that nasty things happen.
 

Our hearts and prayers go out to Austin, the monorail operator and his family.
How terribly sad and heartbreaking...
we are close to several CMs and know the "family" bond they share, so it is a sad day for many.
I have complete confidence in Disney and their value of safety and know this will be resolved in a very appropriate way.
I am wondering about the future of riding up front though, one of our special things we love to get to do...
 
I don't know if it has been brought up before, but, I do know this has happened before.

Not with such horrifying results.

A co-worker of mine use to be a monorail driver back in the 70s and he was rear-ended at the MK station. No one was hurt, so, you don't here too much about it.
 
Our prayers go out to Austin's family and loved ones as well as the family of Disney cm's.

I am bothered though by the fingerpointing assuming this guy was texting or anything else that caused it. I think his family has enough grief without him being blamed when we have no idea. Let the family mourn without the blame game.
 
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Our thoughts and prayers go out to Austin's family in this difficult time.:grouphug:
 
This is so sad. I never imagined that it could happen. My thoughts and prayers for his family.

Bobbi:grouphug:
 
Our hearts and prayers go out to Austin, the monorail operator and his family.
How terribly sad and heartbreaking...
we are close to several CMs and know the "family" bond they share, so it is a sad day for many.
Ditto. My DW is a PT CM on MS at the MK and DD(20) is a PT'er at Epcot while going to college here in FL. DD has a closeknit group of CM friends who are always hanging out and doing things together in their spare time. Coming over to our house and helping each other out. One works the monorail and was working last night. DD is away in NYC attending a summer college program. She was upset when she couldn't get a hold of him at first. We were thankful when we found it was not him. Thankful there was not a family up front and that the vehicles were not full of people and those few who were on board are OK. However very saddened by this tragedy and thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends of the this young man.:sad2:
 
You're kidding, right??? Of course there are safeguards, and those safeguards probably have safeguards. But accidents happen...safequards fail. Happens every day. I have complete faith that Disney had done all that they could do. Inexplicable? Inexcusable?? Maybe so..if we were to find out that Disney dropped the ball in some way. If it were to be proved that it was something that could have been prevented, then fine, go ahead and use those terms. But until then, let's accept that nasty things happen.


I disagree….If a safe guard is manually overridden, it’s someone’s decision. Safeguards are overridden for maintenance or to temporarily move to a location. Safety is policy and just doesn’t happen. Todays safety system will alert you of a loose wire…this shouldn’t have happened.
 
Very sad news. My thoughts and prayers to Austin's family and friends. I was on the phone with disney this morning trying to fine tune some of my ADR's, and had not yet heard about this tragic accident. In the grand scheme of things, I am reminded not to worry about not getting CRT or Chef Mickeys.:grouphug:
 
The MAPO system as described is similar to the signal systems used on many railroads. The red light means that there is another train very close up ahead, or a hazard such as a junction where another train might suddenly appear in your path.

The driver should be exercising line-of-sight control over the train also, slowing it down if he cannot see far ahead down the track/beam such as during a heavy rainstorm.

About the recent (ca. May) subway crash in Boston mentioned earlier, there was another one like it a little over a year prior. Both had the upcoming train nearly at full speed, running a red light and hitting another train that was stopped between stations at a red light of its own.
 
This from micechat.com from a poster. It does make sense.

Hi guys,

I'm a former Mark VI railie, and I stay in touch with a fair number of folks in the department. Here's what I've heard. I'm going to stress that it's what I've heard, and I can't represent this as absolute fact. Take that for what it's worth.

The short, short version is that Monorail Central cleared Monorail Pink in reverse into the Concourse (the Epcot side of the TTC) station without being aware that Monorail Purple was still in the station. Pink was cleared with MAPO override, meaning that the driver would have disabled the anti-collision system (there are a variety of legitimate reasons for doing this), and would have been acting on faith that Central wouldn't have cleared him into a dangerous situation because it sometimes is difficult to see everything you'd want to in the cab mirrors, particularly at night on a curve such as the one he was backing along. For whatever reason, Purple just sat in the station without attempting to avoid the accident, and was struck by Pink moving at the full 15 mph allowed during MAPO override. From what I understand, the driver of Purple was a new transfer from another department. Why Central would not have made sure the station was clear before moving any trains is a bit of a mystery, but I've heard that no one was actually in the control console (the control tower-looking place at Concourse) at the time. To my knowledge, there were no electrical or mechanical problems in play here. Again, I have to stress that I'm relating what I've heard, and I was not there. This is a second-hand account from others more familiar with the situation.

Okay, speculation time.

Why would Purple have just sat in the station and let himself get hit? Well, it was a new driver from what I understand, and when Pink got close enough to trigger Purple's MAPO system, it's quite possible that the driver of Purple freaked a little bit (any time a driver gets an unexpected red MAPO light, it gets their attention), and was so intent on looking at his console trying to figure out what was going on that he simply did not see Pink barreling down on him. I suppose it's also possible that the Concourse station didn't have power at the time, preventing Purple from leaving, but I rather doubt that was the case.

Why would Central clear a train into an occupied station? Inattention, most likely. As I said, I'd heard that Central was not at the console at the time of the accident. IMO, if this is the case, it's the root cause of the accident and whoever was Central should be strung up.

Also, here's a little primer on how the anti-collision system on the WDW trains works, since there seems to be some confusion as to how the system works:

The system at Disney is called the MAPO system, or more precisely the Moving Blocklight System (MBS). It consists of a number of transmitters along the beam every 7-10 pylons or so that place RF signals of three different frequencies onto the positive buss bar (power rail), and a corresponding receiver in each train. The trains are wired with a capacitor that shorts the MAPO signals to ground, preventing any signals generated ahead of the train from getting past it. The transmitters are arranged sequentially around the beam- if any given transmitter is putting out frequency #1, then the next one will be emitting frequency #2, and the next one after that will have frequency #3. The one after that will be transmitting frequency #1 again, and the cycle continues all the way around the beam. The upshot of this is that in normal operation, the following distance should be such that there will be three or more transmitters between a given train and the train ahead of him, thus the following train will "see" all three frequencies, and the driver will have a green MBS light on his console. As he begins to get close to the leading train, there will only be two transmitters separating the trains, and the leading train will be shorting out the third MAPO frequency being generated by the next transmitter ahead of it. The following train will then see only two frequencies, and the yellow MBS light illuminates on the driver's console. This signals the driver that he needs to stop at the next designated holdpoint until his MBS indicator turns green again (i.e., the leading train has gone far enough away that there are now again three or more transmitters between the two trains). If the driver ignores the yellow MBS light and continues on, then the following train will only have one transmitter between it and the leading train. This triggers an emergency stop on the following train, with a big ol' blinking red light (a "red MAPO") to let the driver know he screwed up, and a corresponding entry is made in the train's daily event log. It's a reasonably fail-safe system, meaning that if there are problems with the system itself, it will result in a train being stopped instead of being allowed to continue into a dangerous situation. It's not rocket science, and is similar to moving blocklight systems used on subways and other similar systems. Being so simple, the system is pretty reliable, although it rarely can get a bit flaky during thunderstorms, resulting in the occasional yellow MBS light even though there may be a mile or more between trains.

However, there are a number of situations where the MAPO system needs to be turned off, and for that, there's a "MAPO override" button on the console, which allows the driver to do just that. When MAPO override is active, the train is limited to 15 mph, and the driver has to continue to hold the button down to keep the system overridden. Some examples of when the system needs to be overridden are when trains are on any of the spurlines (since they have no MAPO transmitters), or when trains are being switched between beams.

Anyway, regardless of what actually did happen, my thoughts go out to the family of the driver that died, and also to the driver of Pink, who I'm sure is living with his own awful grief. No one should have to deal with this kind of stuff for a crappy hourly position, and I hope that this sad event brings some (IMO) much-needed change in the Transportation Department management.
 
Anyone know why the EPCOT Monorail would be running at almost 2am if EPCOT closed at 10pm???

I too am thinking of my fellow CM and his family today!!!
 
I can't believe after 30+ years of monorail service at WDW, they still don't have engine-kill systems installed so that if one vehicle senses the presence of another within a given range, it automatically shuts down one or both vehicles. It is inconceivable to me how one monorail train could crash into another in this day and age, with so few trains on the track at any one time and absolutely no switch-tracks. When you consider the number of Disney buses on property, and that there have been no major (some minor) accidents like this, it boggles the mind. Whether or not it was the monorail driver's fault is irrelevant. Disney should have had safeguards in place to ever keep two trains from colliding.

They will/should suspend any guests from riding up front for a very long time.

They will/should suspend monorail service for at least 3-4 months while they install and test new safeguard systems.

Inexplicable and inexcusable are the only two words that come to mind. Oh, and one more... condolences.

The monorail system does have safeguards. Considering the number of people that have traveled on the WDW monorails since their inception (I believe over 1 billion) I would venture to say that this has probably been AND still is the safest transportation system on the planet.

Take this for what is it - a literal one-in-a-million accident. Knowing what I know of Disney's passion for guest safety I would feel completely safe riding a monorail TODAY !
 
My son worked in monorails while in the College Program in 2001. He called me this morning, obviously upset by this news. He told me that this young man was a College Program CM. These young people are thoroughly trained (and tested) before they are allowed to transport guests. I couldn't help but think about those parents who received a terrible phone call early this morning. I don't know what happened, and I don't want to speculate, I just want to say to those parents that my heart goes out to you. God bless you.
 
They have released the drivers name and age, he was 21.

Of course we don't know any of the details of the story yet and I hate to speculate but in Boston a month or go or so, there was a serious accident on the subway. The driver was young also, I believe 24 and they discovered he was texting at the time of the accident.

I don't know Disney's rules on cell phone usage at work, does anyone else?

Also, the time of day the accident happened is an issue. Any time accidents happen at that time of day "tired-ness" always has to be considered.

Thankfully there weren't more injuries....:( I am sad reading this story.

I have always felt so safe riding the monorail and figured that there were safeguards in place to avoid such an incident.

MsA

I don't know about Disney phone policies but isn't texting the reason why that big train crash happened in Los Angeles? And didn't they speculate that's why the trains crashed outside of DC? I think they did a little story on this... a lot of transportation crashes happen while people are texting.

Personally, I would love to see all phone related activities completely banned while driving with a HUGE fine ffor getting caught. It's not fair, it's just as bad as driving while intoxicated.
 
My heart dropped when I heard about this. I feel so bad for the family! Staying @ the value resorts we don't ride the monorail that much but we do occasionally. I think it was just a freak accident. Like it has been originally posted- for as long as the monorail has been running it has had a good track record.
 


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