Driven crazy - and not the usual stuff

[ejdmomma]

I also have a solution that we acted upon last month. It's called Disneyland and California Adventure. Very polite people, always helpful, nobody using the handicapped restroom stall that didn't need it, lots of places around both parks to sit and take a rest, etc. Can't wait to go back there.

This was not our experience at all with Disneyland. California Adventure was awesome and not crowded when we visited, but by far our worst Disney experience at any park occurred at Disneyland. And we've been to Disney World during the 4th of July week when the Magic Kingdom was at capacity. The day we visited Disneyland, it was crowded, people were rude and pushing in lines and on the sidewalk. We debated cutting our day short but stuck it out. We were there mid-October and was a little surprised just how crowded Disneyland felt.

 

[bc7ate9]

I think anyone, in any stall, ought to try to be as fast as humanly possible. But I also think they ought to try to be particularly efficient when using the handicapped stall. If you expect you'll be settling in for half an hour, please choose an ordinary stall, preferably at the far back, in a bathroom with more than three stalls (ie, not the one near the entrance to the World Showcase, please!).

I think people should refrain from using the sink in the handicapped stall - get in and get out, there are other sinks you can use.

But I do not think that all able bodied persons should refrain from ever entering the handicapped stall, leaving it empty at all times, just on the off chance that a handicapped person might happen to enter that particular restroom. It's definitely considerate to wave the handicapped person and/or attendant ahead, if the stall empties (since there's only the one), but they shouldn't expect to always find it waiting for them.

Sorry to hear that there isn't consistency, with regards to wheelchairs fitting. That must be a major pain!

I agree with this. If I'm in a line for the bathroom and the handicap accessible stall opens, I look to see if there is anybody who NEEDS it in line behind me. If not, I go in and do my business as quickly as I can (as I do regardless, of course). I'd like to think that's what most people would do, but people are not always considerate, which is very unfortunate.

 

[MKDisneyDad]

I had a story about being polite, although it wasn't at Disney. We were on a bus in Oahu and an older woman got on. There were no open seats, so I stood up and gave her mine--which my husband should have done, but alas, he didnt. Well he paid for it because the woman was carrying just an awful smelling thing in a paper bag and he was dying until her stop. I told him that's what he got for not being a gentleman!

this is the thing that makes me crazy. Just back today and I didn't sit once on a bus because there was always a woman or child who needed a seat. What type of man sits while a lady stands holding a baby? A lazy inconsiderate one.

 

[bumbershoot]

One of the worst incidents I saw was a lady stopping in the tunnel at Magic Kingdom at rope drop to start spraying on her sunblock.

Oh the sunblock spray is absolutely evil. It will send me into an instant asthma attack, even when I'm having a good day with my lungs (I go months, even years, without issues, but that will bring it on). The person who created that should get stuck in a cloud of it. People do it in lines, they have no comprehension that 3/4 of it is blowing AWAY from the person they are spraying it towards.

It's called Disneyland and California Adventure. Very polite people, always helpful, nobody using the handicapped restroom stall that didn't need it, lots of places around both parks to sit and take a rest, etc. Can't wait to go back there.

People are people, and places are no different. you ran into a spot of peace and wonderfulness on your trip. Being DLR regulars, we've had moments like that, too, but then it's all just back to normal. Please do not *expect* that to be the same on your next trip. Because it likely won't.

I think it's rather silly to have a line up waiting for stalls, with the handicapped restroom sitting empty and not a handicapped person in sight. I've been known on those occasions to say to the first person in line, "Are you going to use that?" check quickly with the others, and then pop in myself if no one else wants it.

Well first, I have literally never seen that situation. I don't like to use them, because I worry that someone who does need it will come in while I'm in there. So if that's the one that opens when I'm at the front, I will tell the person behind me that I don't choose to use that stall, but please go ahead. And they always do.

After all, it's not like you'll catch handicapped cooties if you use it!

I hope you don't actually think that is why someone would avoid it??? I avoid it because of what I just said. I worry that someone who NEEDS it will come in while I am *choosing* to use it.

Also, there's a weird TP situation in those stalls; the toilet is SO high and they keep the roll holder at the same height or sometimes lower than normal, and I nearly fall forward trying to reach it. I have a friend whose husband is an architect and he has designed public bathrooms, and she explained it once, but it didn't make sense then and it still doesn't. Not sure why they keep those roll holders so low when the toilet is up so high.

From my own experience, especially as I've gotten older and have some health issues that make me unsteady on my feet at times, I would be a danger to people if I was expected to walk either up or down a moving ramp. Have I been doing it wrong all these years?

No you're not doing it wrong.

What type of man sits while a lady stands holding a baby? A lazy inconsiderate one.

A man with issues of his own? With exhaustion of his own? A person whose hip has gone out? Who fell 2 days before the trip and he's in severe pain? I could go on. Surely you can think on your own of all sorts of situations keeping any given person from getting up?

As a female, I am insulted that some men (and some women) think that a woman NEEDS to sit more than a man does. When offered a seat, when I have CHOSEN to get onto a bus that has no seats (remember that anyone standing has actually chosen to get on that bus), I say "no thank you". I have had situations where ridiculous people have continued to stand, perhaps not trusting that my brain knows what's good for me? I will continue to insist that he sits down, that I do not need or want the seat, because it's crazy that someone will think that his sense of chivalry overcomes MY knowledge of what I need at that moment.

When I had my son in arms or in baby carrier, I was absolutely standing, because he did not tolerate sitting while being worn. (didn't go to WDW at that point, so I'm talking public transportation or the local buses to the 4th of July celebrations, etc)

But remember, if you're offering, that's nice (though you can't get around the fact that you have looked at a person and deemed them weaker and more feeble than you, which isn't, you know, "nice"), but that person CHOSE to get on that bus. The buses have windows, and you can see the seating situation from outside.

 

[mickeyfanachey1999]

But remember, if you're offering, that's nice (though you can't get around the fact that you have looked at a person and deemed them weaker and more feeble than you, which isn't, you know, "nice"), but that person CHOSE to get on that bus. The buses have windows, and you can see the seating situation from outside.

Not necessarily the case...maybe that person has just chosen not to be the object of "there was a woman/child/older person/whatever standing on this bus and this able bodied middle aged man chose to sit in his seat and not offer it...how rude/we wouldn't have done that in my day/ its the me me me generation" comments. There have been countless numbers of those comments on this board. Those comments coupled with your comments about deeming someone weaker just basically means that it is a lose/lose situation for any adult male under a certain age to sit in a seat on a bus. So to that end, anytime I think a bus may fill up, I stand from the second I get on. I won't offend you by offering you a seat and I won't bother any one else by not offering a seat. Sorry for the rant.

 

[Doug M]

As a female, I am insulted that some men (and some women) think that a woman NEEDS to sit more than a man does. When offered a seat, when I have CHOSEN to get onto a bus that has no seats (remember that anyone standing has actually chosen to get on that bus), I say "no thank you". I have had situations where ridiculous people have continued to stand, perhaps not trusting that my brain knows what's good for me? I will continue to insist that he sits down, that I do not need or want the seat, because it's crazy that someone will think that his sense of chivalry overcomes MY knowledge of what I need at that moment.

When I had my son in arms or in baby carrier, I was absolutely standing, because he did not tolerate sitting while being worn. (didn't go to WDW at that point, so I'm talking public transportation or the local buses to the 4th of July celebrations, etc)

But remember, if you're offering, that's nice (though you can't get around the fact that you have looked at a person and deemed them weaker and more feeble than you, which isn't, you know, "nice"), but that person CHOSE to get on that bus. The buses have windows, and you can see the seating situation from outside.

Wow, so offering a woman a seat on the bus who is standing holding a child is sexism rather than noticing that it may be a safety issue or just nice? Sorry, not everything needs to be sent through the now in vogue prism of "isms" that are all the rage. Sorry, dont feel offended the next time, say thanks but i am good, and then dont think to yourself, man what a pig. Stuff like this cheapens actual instances of sexism.

 

[bc7ate9]

Here's something that has nothing to do with controversial topics...Look at how nicely people wait for parades at Tokyo Disneyland:



Love how they don't even need ropes up.

It was a huge culture shock when we got back to the US and went to the Magic Kingdom!

 

[Magpie]

Here's something that has nothing to do with controversial topics...Look at how nicely people wait for parades at Tokyo Disneyland:

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Love how they don't even need ropes up.

It was a huge culture shock when we got back to the US and went to the Magic Kingdom!

And also, just look how few people there are waiting for the parade. I can see actual pavement!

 

[bc7ate9]

And also, just look how few people there are waiting for the parade. I can see actual pavement!

we were incredibly lucky to be there on a slow day. We've been there on busier days too - they still line up just as nicely, but they start even earlier (like at 10 AM for the 3 PM parade). You can always see as long as you are willing to stand, though.

 

[Magpie]

we were incredibly lucky to be there on a slow day. We've been there on busier days too - they still line up just as nicely, but they start even earlier (like at 10 AM for the 3 PM parade). You can always see as long as you are willing to stand, though.

That's awesome! I really hope someday I'm lucky enough to make it out that way.

 

[larryz]

As a female, I am insulted that some men (and some women) think that a woman NEEDS to sit more than a man does. When offered a seat, when I have CHOSEN to get onto a bus that has no seats (remember that anyone standing has actually chosen to get on that bus), I say "no thank you". I have had situations where ridiculous people have continued to stand, perhaps not trusting that my brain knows what's good for me? I will continue to insist that he sits down, that I do not need or want the seat, because it's crazy that someone will think that his sense of chivalry overcomes MY knowledge of what I need at that moment.

It's just an offer. You're under no obligation to accept it. It's called being polite, not committing a microaggression.

If I offer you a seat and you turn it down, I won't be offended. I'll offer it to anyone else who might need or want it.

The buses have windows, and you can see the seating situation from outside.

Not the buses with those skins on the outside...

 

[bc7ate9]

That's awesome! I really hope someday I'm lucky enough to make it out that way.

They are gorgeous parks - and Japan is an amazing country. I highly recommend making the trip...so worth it.

 

[WIcruizer]

Bag check - Let's all pack like were sherpas on an expedition and then be insulted when the guard asks you to open 75 zippered pockets...

You have to make it a game/contest like I do. I always look at who's in the line, what they're carrying, etc., and pick the fastest moving line. Usually right, can usually spot the people that will hold up the show.

 

[WIcruizer]

I usually just say "excuse me, pardon me, I beg your pardon, entschuldigung, si lai ha mi da, auf wan, scuzzi, parakalo, sil vous plais" and walk on past...

I prefer to borrow a stroller and ram them in their ankles.. ; )

 

[larryz]

I prefer to borrow a stroller and ram them in their ankles.. ; )

That would work, too, but would get a less-than-honorable mention here on the DISboards...

 

[WIcruizer]

I had no way of knowing we had the same order with same name, but she acted like I was purposely trying to steal her order. Mine came up a minute or two later, and all was well, but not a pleasant way to start the day.

Sorry about that, that was me. I'm normally very nice, but don't ever mess with my morning coffee!!!

 

[blondietink]

This was not our experience at all with Disneyland. California Adventure was awesome and not crowded when we visited, but by far our worst Disney experience at any park occurred at Disneyland. And we've been to Disney World during the 4th of July week when the Magic Kingdom was at capacity. The day we visited Disneyland, it was crowded, people were rude and pushing in lines and on the sidewalk. We debated cutting our day short but stuck it out. We were there mid-October and was a little surprised just how crowded Disneyland felt.

We were there during the Star Wars grand opening, along with the beginning of the holiday season. It was jam packed. Everybody was still very polite like I said. If that had been WDW with the same type of crowds, there would have been shouting, screaming, pushing, etc.

 

[MKDisneyDad]

A man with issues of his own? With exhaustion of his own? A person whose hip has gone out? Who fell 2 days before the trip and he's in severe pain? I could go on. Surely you can think on your own of all sorts of situations keeping any given person from getting up?

As a female, I am insulted that some men (and some women) think that a woman NEEDS to sit more than a man does. When offered a seat, when I have CHOSEN to get onto a bus that has no seats (remember that anyone standing has actually chosen to get on that bus), I say "no thank you". I have had situations where ridiculous people have continued to stand, perhaps not trusting that my brain knows what's good for me? I will continue to insist that he sits down, that I do not need or want the seat, because it's crazy that someone will think that his sense of chivalry overcomes MY knowledge of what I need at that moment.

When I had my son in arms or in baby carrier, I was absolutely standing, because he did not tolerate sitting while being worn. (didn't go to WDW at that point, so I'm talking public transportation or the local buses to the 4th of July celebrations, etc)

But remember, if you're offering, that's nice (though you can't get around the fact that you have looked at a person and deemed them weaker and more feeble than you, which isn't, you know, "nice"), but that person CHOSE to get on that bus. The buses have windows, and you can see the seating situation from outside.

Wow. I never thought me offering a seat could offend anyone. I don't stand because I think a woman or child or elderly man is weak. I offer them my seat because that is what my grandmother taught me to do. As long as I am physically able to stand I will regardless of how sore and exhausted I am, because that's how I was raised.

 

[goofyernmost]

I may be wrong about this but I've always thought that moving sidewalks and moving ramps (that either go uphill or down) are 2 different animals. On a flat sidewalk it makes total sense to me that people standing still should move to the side to allow walkers past. From my own experience, especially as I've gotten older and have some health issues that make me unsteady on my feet at times, I would be a danger to people if I was expected to walk either up or down a moving ramp. Have I been doing it wrong all these years?

No, you're fine, it's just that some are always in a hurry to get no place in particular. Stand to one side and enjoy the trip, if it bothers anyone else... it's their problem, let them work it out.

this is the thing that makes me crazy. Just back today and I didn't sit once on a bus because there was always a woman or child who needed a seat. What type of man sits while a lady stands holding a baby? A lazy inconsiderate one.

Or one with bad knees, hips or balance problems that look perfectly fine a first glance. Never judge others without walking in their shoes for awhile. A healthy woman or child is completely capable of standing, women's liberation has completely obliterated the idea of the weaker sex. Science has proven that women are actually stronger them men, so perhaps it's time for it to be the other way around. Rumor has it that women are as capable of putting a toilet seat down as men are of lifting it up. Imagine that.

 

[Love Tink]

No, you're fine, it's just that some are always in a hurry to get no place in particular. Stand to one side and enjoy the trip, if it bothers anyone else... it's their problem, let them work it out.

Yes, because it's the Magic Kingdom, after all. Where could anyone possibly be in a hurry to get to?!* Obviously no place in particular - so stand in their way! You are the one that matters!

*excluding: Fastpass reservations, restaurant reservations, dessert party reservations, tour reservations, Pirates League reservations, BBB reservations, a show, a parade, meeting up with other members of their party, meeting up with a child who did not want to ride, catching a ferry or bus, the restroom, first aid, somewhere to resolve feelings of nausea, getting a drink because of feeling dehydrated, to meet a character before their last set of the day, to experience an attraction that closes early, to visit a shop or snack stand that closes early, or to get in line for one last attraction before park closing time.