Dress Code at Signature Restaurants-Ha!

[crisi]

Why should anyone care if anyone else follows the "rules" of polite civil society? Because it makes society as a whole move easier. Because saying thank you to the grocery store clerk with a smile keeps her day moving easier. Because giving up your seat on the bus to an older lady warms her heart. Because letting the car merge in merge into traffic easily keeps traffic flowing for EVERYONE - instead of having him need to stop at the end of the ramp and then having to have another person slow down far below freeway speeds to let him in. Because people need to wait their turn. Because there are words and topics that aren't appropriate for other people to overhear.

Being polite is one of the ways we show other people we respect them - and people are worthy of respect. When you show up at a restaurant with a dress code not conforming to it (and Disney Signature dress codes are VERY liberal) you are telling the other diners you don't respect them.

 

[RMulieri]

Why should anyone care if anyone else follows the "rules" of polite civil society? Because it makes society as a whole move easier. Because saying thank you to the grocery store clerk with a smile keeps her day moving easier. Because giving up your seat on the bus to an older lady warms her heart. Because letting the car merge in merge into traffic easily keeps traffic flowing for EVERYONE - instead of having him need to stop at the end of the ramp and then having to have another person slow down far below freeway speeds to let him in. Because people need to wait their turn. Because there are words and topics that aren't appropriate for other people to overhear.

Being polite is one of the ways we show other people we respect them - and people are worthy of respect. When you show up at a restaurant with a dress code not conforming to it (and Disney Signature dress codes are VERY liberal) you are telling the other diners you don't respect them.

Exactly.If everyone went about their buisness and was only concerned for themselves, there would be total ANARCHY. Just because others choose to embarass themselves by not following the rules does not make it OK.If everyone else just gave a tiny hoot about fellow man things would probably run a little smoother in life.

 

[Tricia1972]

WHY do we care about what someone wears? If you think about it, all of the hot button topics around here have to do with ones ability to follow the rules set forth by Disney or society. Inability to follow rules shows rudeness, selfishness and does affect others. Think of the 'hottest' topics here on the Dis...

Why do we care that a person holds a place in line for someone else? They're sharing a car after all.

Why do we care that a person uses their refillable mug from 5 years ago? It doesn't affect us.

Why do we care that people pool hop? There's room for us in the pool.

Why do we care that people make double reservations with the intent to cancel them later? You can always make your reservation later.

Why do we care what someone else tips?

Why do we care that those three kids are wearing Heeley's?

Why do we care that someone is following the very liberal dress code posted by Disney?

Why do we care that someone uses their fastpass outside of the time window?

Not for discussion here, but if you think about it the inability to follow rules always sets off the wildest threads that generally end up being closed.

Dress code does affect overall atmosphere of the restaurant, whether you think you're noticing it or not, it's a subtle perception.

 

[MainStMandy]

Look, all I'm trying to say is WHY should anyone care what anyone else is wearing? Don't look at the person if their clothes "offend" you. Just make sure your clothes don't offend someone too. Cheap clothes that bear non-name brand could be offensive to some.

My point is, you're in Disney for G-d's sake....not trying to get into Nobu in NYC. I really couldn't care less what other patrons are wearing, I'm on vacation too and I'm there to enjoy a meal with my family, to dwell on what some people chose to wear. I guess I don't take life so seriously that jeans at a nice (not elegant) restaurant like Disney's sig. are (except V&A) doesn't offend me. None of us are guaranteed tomorrow, why waste your breath and energy on being upset with what someone else wears?

So just because I am going to Disney I should lower my expecations?? It should be the exact OPPOSITE!!

And just to point out the op didn't state jeans weren't acceptable, it was torn jeans. I am not saying I show up to every meal in a ball gown, but I look nice. I may not chose to wear jeans, but that doesn't mean I'm not ok with someone else wearing them.

There is a big difference between
this:

and this:

 

[JLKennedy]

Why should anyone care if anyone else follows the "rules" of polite civil society? Because it makes society as a whole move easier. Because saying thank you to the grocery store clerk with a smile keeps her day moving easier. Because giving up your seat on the bus to an older lady warms her heart. Because letting the car merge in merge into traffic easily keeps traffic flowing for EVERYONE - instead of having him need to stop at the end of the ramp and then having to have another person slow down far below freeway speeds to let him in. Because people need to wait their turn. Because there are words and topics that aren't appropriate for other people to overhear.

Being polite is one of the ways we show other people we respect them - and people are worthy of respect. When you show up at a restaurant with a dress code not conforming to it (and Disney Signature dress codes are VERY liberal) you are telling the other diners you don't respect them.

Way off topic....you reducing your speed on the "freeway" to let someone come on puts you and the others on the freeway at greater risk for a severe accident. Most ramps have a yield sign. Yeild=to give way or give up to someone or something. To yield is to concede under some degree of pressure. If you are entering a new flow you merge when safe for you to do so, not endanger everyone else's well being.

Respect is something earned, I was brought up old school. Don't intentionally be rude, but respect isn't "given". We can go round and round all day. Some would say the elderly woman expects you to give the seat to her b/c she deserves it....well in Disney, I refused to give up my seat, I was holding a sleeping baby and too bad if you or someone else had to sit. I lucked out by getting to the bus stop early and (gasp) I didn't EXPECT ANYTHING FROM ANYONE.....makes it easier to NOT be disappointed.

Exactly.If everyone went about their buisness and was only concerned for themselves, there would be total ANARCHY. Just because others choose to embarass themselves by not following the rules does not make it OK.If everyone else just gave a tiny hoot about fellow man things would probably run a little smoother in life.

Again, old school rules, MYOB...mind your own business. What someone chooses to wear or not wear isn't YOUR business, it's Disney's and if DISNEY CHOOSES not to enforce it, GET OVER IT or go somewhere more aesthetically pleasing to your eyes, like Victoria & Alberts.

WHY do we care about what someone wears? If you think about it, all of the hot button topics around here have to do with ones ability to follow the rules set forth by Disney or society. Inability to follow rules shows rudeness, selfishness and does affect others. Think of the 'hottest' topics here on the Dis...

Why do we care that a person holds a place in line for someone else? They're sharing a car after all.

Why do we care that a person uses their refillable mug from 5 years ago? It doesn't affect us.

Why do we care that people pool hop? There's room for us in the pool.

Why do we care that people make double reservations with the intent to cancel them later? You can always make your reservation later.

Why do we care what someone else tips?

Not for discussion here, but if you think about it the inability to follow rules always sets off the wildest threads that generally end up being closed.

Dress code does affect overall atmosphere of the restaurant, whether you think you're noticing it or not, it's a subtle perception.

1. Do you always know the facts behind holding a spot for someone? Maybe they are participating in a swap or had to run to the restroom.

2. Prices are going to increase whether or not someone uses old mugs, really. Is it right? No, but I'm not the "moral" police or a "snitch", and it's none of my business.

3. Pool hopping, if there's no one else in the pool, is it affecting you? Are you waiting an hour to enter the pool?

4. Maybe the person "double booking" isn't quite sure which restaurant the rest of their party wants to eat at and to be safe, makes 2 reservations and does cancel the other one. Many on this board tend to call dining everyday anyway, so it's a moot point, provided the other reservation is cancelled.

5. In all honesty, it really is NO ONE's business what someone else is tipping, unless you (colllectively) are my server or are stepping up and offering to tip on my behalf.

So just because I am going to Disney I should lower my expecations?? It should be the exact OPPOSITE!!

And just to point out the op didn't state jeans weren't acceptable, it was torn jeans. I am not saying I show up to every meal in a ball gown, but I look nice. I may not chose to wear jeans, but that doesn't mean I'm not ok with someone else wearing them.

There is a big difference between
this:

and this:

Victoria's Secrets jeans, please . They are at the very bottom list of "trendy" as I'm speaking of. Look at these jeans here, they are very trendy with the younger crowd. You might think they should be disqualified from the dress code, but I would argue, I think they look great.

http://www.truereligionbrandjeans.c...h_Valley_Medium/pd/c/1170/np/1170/p/1106.html

http://www.truereligionbrandjeans.com/Mens_Billy__Mo_Fo/pd/c/2100/np/2100/p/904504408.html

http://www.hollisterco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10251_10201_431826_-1_12589_12551

http://www.hollisterco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10251_10201_419756_-1_12623_12552

These are today's trends. It's what the younger crowds wear. You don't have to approve it, Disney does. IF DISNEY OBJECTED THE OP WOULD NOT HAVE SEEN THIS PERSON LEAVING THE RESTAURANT case closed. Disney thought it was okay, there's no need to argue about this.

Seriously though, why are your expectations higher for an amusement park?

 

[thegrimdwarf]

You are confusing the ability to spend $$ with the sense to know how to behave appropriately for the situation....it has been said the being gracious is acting just a bit more polite than minimally required. People with class seem to focus more on making others comfortable, or at least not uncomfortable, by their behavior. Classless people look at societal expectations and decide in the end its-all-about-them-anyway and take a basically confrontational stance as they try to see how much they can slide by doing as they please.

People with class are comfortable enough in their own skin that they can abide with restrictions or expectations and not feel they are oppressed, after all, its not about them. Classless people demonstrate their insecurity by screaming for attention to their "individuality" every chance they get, its as though they feel the need to seek a feeling of power in flouting convention.

I have known people without 2 nickels to their name with enormous class, and people with mega-bucks that are about as classless as a person can be.

Regrettably, as a society we seem to have subscribed to the notion that the classless person shouldn't be challenged, as it will inevitably only result in a blow-up, as though the classless person is in the "right," or maybe its just that people have finally signed on to the proverb of "never argue with an idiot, a bystander won't be able to tell the difference!"

You ROCK!

 

[crisi]

Respect is something earned, I was brought up old school. Don't intentionally be rude, but respect isn't "given". We can go round and round all day. Some would say the elderly woman expects you to give the seat to her b/c she deserves it....well in Disney, I refused to give up my seat, I was holding a sleeping baby and too bad if you or someone else had to sit. I lucked out by getting to the bus stop early and (gasp) I didn't EXPECT ANYTHING FROM ANYONE.....makes it easier to NOT be disappointed.

Well, there we have a functional disconnect. I believe - as a fundamental tenet of religous faith (one of the few my faith holds) that all human beings are worthy of respect. I don't always do a good job of it, particularly if they are busy proving otherwise, but I start with the assumption that complete strangers are decent human beings worth of being treated with respect - and not complete yahoos. That's old school, too.

 

[tyandskyesmom]

You guys are making me laugh

 

[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]

Yes, yes, and yes. Disney should realize that there are people who aren't vacationing at Disney because of the rude and inconsiderate slobs they are coddling. In an effort to placate the guests that don't follow rules, they drive away guests that do. And those guests leave quietly.

Exactly. If I go to a fine dining establishment, at WDW or otherwise, and it isn't operating like a fine dining restaurant, you can bet I'm not coming back. You pay good money to eat in places like this and it's not just for the food and the service but for the atmosphere as well.

I'm not sure that how other people are dressed would affect my experience at an upscale restaurant? DH & I took our DDs to Spago for the first time earlier this month, and yes, we did dress up, but I couldn't tell you what other people were wearing because I really didn't care. Our meal was nice, that was what mattered.

But you can get a "nice" meal elsewhere for a whole lot less money. So why bother going to a fine dining restaurant in the first place if you don't have higher expectations for the dining experience?

So would you feel someone was rude too if they "dined" with their children and their children started whining because the food was taking too long? I mean, isn't it rude to take a child to such a 5 star Zagat rated restaurant?

I absolutely would. I don't feel that a 5 star restaurant is an appropriate place for unbehaved children to dine. Is that odd?! I also don't think that McDonald's is an appropriate place for a couple seeking a romantic meal to eat.

Anyway, I guess the manager asked him to follow dress code and the furious guest left the restaurant and returned in a dress! I guess he was trying to make a point. I guess he was somewhere in the restaurant actually sitting down at a table in his dress.

That's hilarious. I'm surprised they actually let him in though.

Well, there we have a functional disconnect. I believe - as a fundamental tenet of religous faith (one of the few my faith holds) that all human beings are worthy of respect. I don't always do a good job of it, particularly if they are busy proving otherwise, but I start with the assumption that complete strangers are decent human beings worth of being treated with respect - and not complete yahoos. That's old school, too.

I agree. Don't human beings deserve respect simply because they are our brothers and sisters on this earth. I'm not understanding why a stranger dining near you in a restaurant needs to earn your respect as the previous poster said?

 

[Tricia1972]

1. Do you always know the facts behind holding a spot for someone? Maybe they are participating in a swap or had to run to the restroom.

2. Prices are going to increase whether or not someone uses old mugs, really. Is it right? No, but I'm not the "moral" police or a "snitch", and it's none of my business.

3. Pool hopping, if there's no one else in the pool, is it affecting you? Are you waiting an hour to enter the pool?

4. Maybe the person "double booking" isn't quite sure which restaurant the rest of their party wants to eat at and to be safe, makes 2 reservations and does cancel the other one. Many on this board tend to call dining everyday anyway, so it's a moot point, provided the other reservation is cancelled.

5. In all honesty, it really is NO ONE's business what someone else is tipping, unless you (colllectively) are my server or are stepping up and offering to tip on my behalf.

As I said in my post, not for discussion here, and I meant just this - not these points I made. My intent was to illustrate that these are hot buttons and if you look at the theme of the points, they all have to do with following the rules. Some people, clearly, have an issue with following the rules. These people that break the rules offend many who follow the rules. Like it or not, that's the way it is.

These are today's trends. It's what the younger crowds wear. You don't have to approve it, Disney does. IF DISNEY OBJECTED THE OP WOULD NOT HAVE SEEN THIS PERSON LEAVING THE RESTAURANT case closed. Disney thought it was okay, there's no need to argue about this.

Seriously though, why are your expectations higher for an amusement park?

I didn't look at your links for holey jeans. The written rules say holey jeans and the OP who has spoken to this said that they were tattered, not the fashionable ones they know are trendy right now.

I don't believe that anyone is trying to argue the trend, I believe that the point being made here by most is that why does Disney have this policy if they aren't prepared to enforce it. I haven't read anyone saying that you shouldn't go if you aren't dressed to the 9's. I've read many saying - it's a minimal policy the least that people can do is follow it.

If Disney changed or got rid of their dress code there'd be no argument. The question is "Why make a rule if they have no intention of forcing it" I think it's reasonable, with the current rules, to expect that everyone dining at a signature location is dressed to Disney's written policy.

 

[FireDancer]

I personally wear whatever I wear to the parks to dinner. The clothing doesn’t make the food taste any better and I could care less what people wear. To each their own though. If one person wants to wear a tux and the other a t-shirt and jeans it doesn’t bother me. Just my 2 cents.

 

[MainStMandy]

Victoria's Secrets jeans, please . They are at the very bottom list of "trendy" as I'm speaking of. Look at these jeans here, they are very trendy with the younger crowd. You might think they should be disqualified from the dress code, but I would argue, I think they look great.

Seriously though, why are your expectations higher for an amusement park?

Who is talking about being trendy?? Did anyone once mention being trendy? I am talking about a CLEAN, NOT TORN, TAILORED PAIR OF JEANS. Trendy has nothing to do with it...I don't care if you bought your jeans at Walmart...we are talking about being respectful to yourself and those around you and not showing up in sweats, plastic flipflops and a ripped tank.

My expectations are not higher for an amusement park (which Disney is NOT), but my expectations are higher for Disney and for signature restaurants.

 

[RMulieri]

Way off topic....you reducing your speed on the "freeway" to let someone come on puts you and the others on the freeway at greater risk for a severe accident. Most ramps have a yield sign. Yeild=to give way or give up to someone or something. To yield is to concede under some degree of pressure. If you are entering a new flow you merge when safe for you to do so, not endanger everyone else's well being.

Respect is something earned, I was brought up old school. Don't intentionally be rude, but respect isn't "given". We can go round and round all day. Some would say the elderly woman expects you to give the seat to her b/c she deserves it....well in Disney, I refused to give up my seat, I was holding a sleeping baby and too bad if you or someone else had to sit. I lucked out by getting to the bus stop early and (gasp) I didn't EXPECT ANYTHING FROM ANYONE.....makes it easier to NOT be disappointed.



Again, old school rules, MYOB...mind your own business. What someone chooses to wear or not wear isn't YOUR business, it's Disney's and if DISNEY CHOOSES not to enforce it, GET OVER IT or go somewhere more aesthetically pleasing to your eyes, like Victoria & Alberts.



1. Do you always know the facts behind holding a spot for someone? Maybe they are participating in a swap or had to run to the restroom.

2. Prices are going to increase whether or not someone uses old mugs, really. Is it right? No, but I'm not the "moral" police or a "snitch", and it's none of my business.

3. Pool hopping, if there's no one else in the pool, is it affecting you? Are you waiting an hour to enter the pool?

4. Maybe the person "double booking" isn't quite sure which restaurant the rest of their party wants to eat at and to be safe, makes 2 reservations and does cancel the other one. Many on this board tend to call dining everyday anyway, so it's a moot point, provided the other reservation is cancelled.

5. In all honesty, it really is NO ONE's business what someone else is tipping, unless you (colllectively) are my server or are stepping up and offering to tip on my behalf.



Victoria's Secrets jeans, please . They are at the very bottom list of "trendy" as I'm speaking of. Look at these jeans here, they are very trendy with the younger crowd. You might think they should be disqualified from the dress code, but I would argue, I think they look great.

http://www.truereligionbrandjeans.c...h_Valley_Medium/pd/c/1170/np/1170/p/1106.html

http://www.truereligionbrandjeans.com/Mens_Billy__Mo_Fo/pd/c/2100/np/2100/p/904504408.html

http://www.hollisterco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10251_10201_431826_-1_12589_12551

http://www.hollisterco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10251_10201_419756_-1_12623_12552

These are today's trends. It's what the younger crowds wear. You don't have to approve it, Disney does. IF DISNEY OBJECTED THE OP WOULD NOT HAVE SEEN THIS PERSON LEAVING THE RESTAURANT case closed. Disney thought it was okay, there's no need to argue about this.

Seriously though, why are your expectations higher for an amusement park?

I am having trouble understanding exactly why you feel the need to pick arguments with like 5 different people on this thread to try and support your view of myob.Is it really my buisness what someone else is wearing? probably not.Does it bother me to the point of losing sleep? not at all.The point is there is a dress code.Just because Disney doesn't always choose to enforce it, doesn't make it right.Nobody was saying to wear a ball gown, it is a tad discouraging when some people take time out and put clothes on that are hole free and clean, while others feel it is ok to come looking like they rolled out of bed.I don't eat at signature places because of my DD, but if I did I would at least have clothes that are hole -free.OT-BTW, there are times in life where it pays to mind more than your buisness..it is called being a good samaritan.

 

[Finally08]

If they have a dress code that says no torn clothing then I would keep my son out of his $80 distressed jeans. But in this day and age I always think it's funny when people associate jeans with holes in them as cheap, "torn" or gross. people pay A LOT of money to buy them like that - it's THE STYLE. My ds's dad always complained when he brought those jeans with him to visit and they had to go anywhere. I told him he was too "out of it" to understand, but everyone else would know he was wearing something $$$ and that looked that way intentionally.

 

[MainStMandy]

If they have a dress code that says no torn clothing then I would keep my son out of his $80 distressed jeans. But in this day and age I always think it's funny when people associate jeans with holes in them as cheap, "torn" or gross. people pay A LOT of money to buy them like that - it's THE STYLE. My ds's dad always complained when he brought those jeans with him to visit and they had to go anywhere. I told him he was too "out of it" to understand, but everyone else would know he was wearing something $$$ and that looked that way intentionally.

We may understand that but where to do you clear that up? How do you say you can wear "torn" jeans if they cost you $90 but you can't if they are your old work jeans that just happen to be torn. Where do you cross the line?

 

[RMulieri]

Trendy and Costly do not exactly equate to tasteful and appropriate either.I seem to remember it being trendy to have your midriff hanging out with a pair of lowriders on,so when you bent over your crack was visible... and that look was far from tasteful or appropriate.I wear jeans with distressed finishes at home, but I would never, ever wear them out to dinner( unless it was picking up McD's thru the drive thru).As a kid when we went out to eat, it did not matter if we were going to Friendlys or Tavern on the green, we dressed approp. or we had my mother throw a fit.

 

[JLKennedy]

Just look at the links. It is the new trend, it's called distressed. Hollister is a very big and hot store right now...please look at the hollister link, the jeans are "holey" but trendy.

Now, who is mostly working at Disney? Younger people, right? They are more apt to recognize the trend that is being set and able to know that they aren't part time landscapers turned house painter holey jeans (no offense to any landscaper or house painter). There's a big difference IMO between the latest trend in denim and you run of the mill vagrant who stumbled in to a disney restaurant.

Sorry, I don't share your views, but I'm not "trying" to pick fights with anyone, simply asking all to mind their own business and not worry themselves about what Disney does or doesn't do.

If the NON enforcement of the Disney dress code upsets you to the point of not return, let Disney know the only way they'll understand, stop going.

 

[RMulieri]

I understand what you are trying to say.but as I said right before you that trendy and costly do not necessarily equate with being appropriate.I shop at Hollister,Abercrombie and the gap so I know what you are saying about the trends. but if the policy says No holes in jeans, it does not and should not matter whether they are a $90 pair from hollister or a 20 yr old pair that cost $10 on clearance.

 

[bytheblood]

Yes actually I do expect Disney to tell them that. Why make rules and post them if they aren't going to be enforced? I would give them the option of changing and returning within a certain timeframe or giving up the ressie and trying to accomidate them at another, more casual location. I would be upset if I put effort into getting dressed up and looking nice when they let people in wearing jeans. I would have certainly mentioned it to the server or manager to see why they were so special. If you're told when making your ressie what the dress code is for the resort, there is no excuse on your part-you knew the info.

I doubt that just because they're turned away from one restraunt it would make them never come to Disney again however...and if so, that's great-more room for me and my family to visit.

I also know that not everyone can afford nice/fancy clothes but holey jeans are not ok. At least jeans that are not ripped.

I know I may not share the "popular" opinion but that's just how I feel.

I agree, 100%!!

 

[bytheblood]

Why should anyone care if anyone else follows the "rules" of polite civil society? Because it makes society as a whole move easier. Because saying thank you to the grocery store clerk with a smile keeps her day moving easier. Because giving up your seat on the bus to an older lady warms her heart. Because letting the car merge in merge into traffic easily keeps traffic flowing for EVERYONE - instead of having him need to stop at the end of the ramp and then having to have another person slow down far below freeway speeds to let him in. Because people need to wait their turn. Because there are words and topics that aren't appropriate for other people to overhear.

Being polite is one of the ways we show other people we respect them - and people are worthy of respect. When you show up at a restaurant with a dress code not conforming to it (and Disney Signature dress codes are VERY liberal) you are telling the other diners you don't respect them.

That was very well said.