double dipping on fp is gone

[DizBelle]

As of now, I plan to check into AS Movies just before noon tomorrow. I have never spent time reading or posting on here while I am at Disneyworld, but I will come back and let you all know what I am told at check-in. If it is only newly affecting All Star Resorts and not Moderates, then I will not check-in and instead change resorts. There is plenty of availability. I would like one last trip with paper FP access, so it is worth switching resorts to me. I know others here may find that silly, but it is how I feel. Wherever I end up, I will try to post tomorrow night after I return from HS about whether any KTTW card issued to me worked in a FP machine. That is working on the assumption that there will be FP's available at some attraction for me to try for!

I have UCT tickets (maybe....another loooong story as the tickets were lost in the mail & I have to go to GS with ticket copies UCT sent me & receipt to request "replacements"). So I (hopefully!) will be able to post whether UCT replacement tickets issued at GS will work in the legacy machines, in case anyone cares about that aspect.

If your UCT tickets are not linked to your MB then you can use them as regular admission and pull paper fastpasses.

 

[redsbe]

I think this is your main complaint group. The people uninformed, or the people that are here for their once in a lifetime trip. Hey, I like to sleep in and eat rubbery bacon for $40 pp LOL, but I would laugh at a complaint from someone saying that because they chose those things over RD in the morning they couldn't ride TSMM. LOL I hope those complaints were the few.

FP+ does not stop visitors from being able ride the most popular rides like TSMM, just that if they wish to sleep in and visit during peak crowds they will have to wait in line rather then simply walk up and ride. Just like you never needed FP- to ride TSMM nor will you need FP+. WDW is not stopping anyone from getting to ride, just restricting the use of FP.

Remembering that before FP-, you had to get early or visit during low crowd days - same strategies in place with FP- and FP+ if you are looking to minimize line waits. But given the lines and waits in stand by clearly many WDW visitors wanting to ride TSMM and others will do so - even with 60 minute plus waits.

 

[EMHDad]

I tried reading through this a little. I am a little confused. Can someone explain or point nee to the explanation.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I was talking to my husband about all of this recently. We were talking about the people who ride Test Track 5 or 6 times in one day. He said, "man, I love that ride, but that's a ton of money to spend just to ride one ride." We agreed that while that may be how some people want to use their vacation hours, we just couldn't bring ourselves to spend all of that money just to spend most of our time riding certain headliners on repeat anymore. If that was all we truly loved at WDW, then perhaps WDW would not be the best vacay for us. We were bummed about not being able to repeat some thngs on our first trip testing MB and FP+, but then we used the time we would have spent re-riding discovering things we'd never done before. Like Figment. I mean, we certainly prefer Test Track to Figment, but in 9 trips we never rode it once until we were testing MB on our last trip. (We've used them for 3 trips now and love them. A few kinks to work out, but overall we love the whole system.)

So anyway, I think a problem Disney has is that headliners have been oversold and overmarketed for YEARS, while other attractions have been very much undersold. That explains how n 9 trips we never knew who Figment was. Countless planning DVDs and we still didn't know! I do chalk this up to competition with Universal. I began our family Disney trips around the time that Magical Express came about. It was apparent that the marketing Disney was employing was a BIG push to pull people away from Universal. I remember our first WDW planning video just pushed the three Mountains over and over and over. (I still have that whole planning video memorized by heart. That was 2005-2006.) There are SO many attractions at WDW, but e-ticket rides are overburdened and oversold.

Anyway, I'm glad that we were forced to ride Test Track only once on our last trip. We got to discover Figment, I finally saw Impressions de France, I finally saw the Norway film, I learned that there is a bakery in Norway. I seriously had no idea. 9 trips, most of them 10-12 days long, spent riding headliners over and over. Had Test Track not run out of FP, we would have been able to double dip there, but we would have missed out on other things.

VP

Such good points.

Assuming a week-long trip, I think that's exactly what Disney is trying to do with this. Give everyone a chance to ride the headliners once, even those who sleep in, and then steer people towards all of the other stuff that is there. And you're right, there is a lot of other stuff.

We were totally on board with the concept when it came out, since we like to sleep in a bit. And we are ok with riding things once. However, I'm starting to get a bit concerned about the tiers...for example, having Soarin and TT prebooked was awesome, and it's too bad that's gone.

So I guess it depends on how thin the FP+ availability gets on what our final reaction will be. And we are definitely not a high-headliner-per-day family.

 

[DizBelle]

As of now, I plan to check into AS Movies just before noon tomorrow. I have never spent time reading or posting on here while I am at Disneyworld, but I will come back and let you all know what I am told at check-in. If it is only newly affecting All Star Resorts and not Moderates, then I will not check-in and instead change resorts. There is plenty of availability. I would like one last trip with paper FP access, so it is worth switching resorts to me. I know others here may find that silly, but it is how I feel. Wherever I end up, I will try to post tomorrow night after I return from HS about whether any KTTW card issued to me worked in a FP machine. That is working on the assumption that there will be FP's available at some attraction for me to try for!

I have UCT tickets (maybe....another loooong story as the tickets were lost in the mail & I have to go to GS with ticket copies UCT sent me & receipt to request "replacements"). So I (hopefully!) will be able to post whether UCT replacement tickets issued at GS will work in the legacy machines, in case anyone cares about that aspect.

If your UCT tickets are not linked to your MB then you can use them as regular admission and pull paper fastpasses.

 

[redsbe]

Such good points.

Assuming a week-long trip, I think that's exactly what Disney is trying to do with this. Give everyone a chance to ride the headliners once, even those who sleep in, and then steer people towards all of the other stuff that is there. And you're right, there is a lot of other stuff.

We were totally on board with the concept when it came out, since we like to sleep in a bit. And we are ok with riding things once. However, I'm starting to get a bit concerned about the tiers...for example, having Soarin and TT prebooked was awesome, and it's too bad that's gone.

So I guess it depends on how thin the FP+ availability gets on what our final reaction will be. And we are definitely not a high-headliner-per-day family.

If you are there for a week or longer, could you not easily plan your park days, including a few RDs if needed, and then park hopping and end up riding your most favorite attractions multiple times? More days equals more hours in the parks, right? Even without RD, FP-, or FP+??

 

[jensen]

x

 

[EMHDad]

Still unsure what this double dipping means

 

[Shaden]

Still unsure what this double dipping means

it refers to using both fp+ and the old fastpass system at the same time.

 

[One Hit Wonder]

As of now, I plan to check into AS Movies just before noon tomorrow. I have never spent time reading or posting on here while I am at Disneyworld, but I will come back and let you all know what I am told at check-in. If it is only newly affecting All Star Resorts and not Moderates, then I will not check-in and instead change resorts. There is plenty of availability. I would like one last trip with paper FP access, so it is worth switching resorts to me. I know others here may find that silly, but it is how I feel. Wherever I end up, I will try to post tomorrow night after I return from HS about whether any KTTW card issued to me worked in a FP machine. That is working on the assumption that there will be FP's available at some attraction for me to try for!

I have UCT tickets (maybe....another loooong story as the tickets were lost in the mail & I have to go to GS with ticket copies UCT sent me & receipt to request "replacements"). So I (hopefully!) will be able to post whether UCT replacement tickets issued at GS will work in the legacy machines, in case anyone cares about that aspect.

Any update on this?
I'd be interested to see if UT tickets work in legacy machines, especially after they've been linked to MDE.

 

[Erin1700]

Hi everyone
Checked into Boardwalk last night. Got KTTW cards without asking. We did not go to a park last night so tried them first this morning. THEY WORK.
I will let you know if anything changes. We are here until the 10th.
Our magic bands have worked well for entry to park and room, BOG fast
pass lunch. Using our fp+ tonight.

 

[baileybrad]

I think this is your main complaint group. The people uninformed, or the people that are here for their once in a lifetime trip. Hey, I like to sleep in and eat rubbery bacon for $40 pp LOL, but I would laugh at a complaint from someone saying that because they chose those things over RD in the morning they couldn't ride TSMM. LOL I hope those complaints were the few.

Your post made me smile.

We always tell our friends that a Disney vacation is unlike any other. Don't expect to it to be a restful experience unless you enjoy standing in lines all day.

I guess good ole Disney has now made a liar out of me. Getting up early is now going to put you lines no matter what you do.

Now we can tell our friends that a trip to WDW gets you "tiered" at 50% of the parks.

 

[Wood Nymph]

So you got Magic Bands and Key to the World cards when you checked in, but the KTTW cards can't be used to spit out paper FP's?

Dan

We are staying at WL, got a KTTW card but it will not pull a paper fp because we didn't use the KTTW card to get into the park.

FWIW: if you miss a fp+ reservation you can schedule another that day. You don't lose a missed fp+ until after the day is over.

 

[Colleen27]

To be fair, they did double the capacity of Dumbo.

And it was a stunning success - instead of a rope-drop stampede, they have two spinners that both run at or near capacity all day long without huge backlogs of people standing around waiting. So why not take that approach to other stampede attractions rather than trying to redistribute demand away from them?

 

[sabcook]

We checked in to the GF on Saturday and were given KTTW cards in addition to out magic bands. We have uses the magic bands to get in to the parks and have been able to use the KTTW cards to pull legacy fast passes at each park, including for toy story mania at the studios this morning. FWIW, we have had no problems with the magic bands.

 

[magicbob]

And it was a stunning success - instead of a rope-drop stampede, they have two spinners that both run at or near capacity all day long without huge backlogs of people standing around waiting. So why not take that approach to other stampede attractions rather than trying to redistribute demand away from them?

I agree 100%. I was being a little facetious about the fact that Disney's answer to increasing capacity was to add a second Dumbo spinner. It's better than nothing. But it's not nearly enough.

 

[pigletto]

We are staying at WL, got a KTTW card but it will not pull a paper fp because we didn't use the KTTW card to get into the park.

FWIW: if you miss a fp+ reservation you can schedule another that day. You don't lose a missed fp+ until after the day is over.

That's odd WoodNymph since so many are saying that they can still use their KTTW cards even if they entered with the MB. . I wonder if WL Key Cards aren't working anymore or if you encountered a glitch?

 

[cleighc]

Have been at the world since Sat. Never used KTTW for park entry only magic bands. Able to pull legacy FP at all parks using KTTW.

 

[Pooksie]

I dont want to spend anymore money to ride my favorites over and over again...that is absurd. I never had to before so now WDW is taking value away. And as a DVC memeber they have enough of my money thank you very much!

Plus where will this supply of FPs come from????? They are already at the max with some rides if they are running out of FPs at 9:30 with some tiering happening.

I'll respond to this as I am a staunch believer that Disney will eventually offer additional FP+ for an additional fee, and I've been posting it time and time again so that it isn't such a shock if/when it comes true.

As for taking the value away by offering additional FP+ reservations for a fee, I'd ask you what you consider the annual increase in park admission fee's to be? Does that constitute taking away the value? I ask as there is no vehement backlash each year when park admission prices are raised... Maybe Disney adds additional FP+ reservations for an additional fee and decides not to increase park admission for a few years. Six of one, half a dozen of another. I'm just hypothesizing here, as only the Disney exec's know what's down the road.

And also you have to keep in mind that there are two competing systems in place right now. FP+ and FP-. Many ride tickets are still being reserved for FP-. Once the FP- system goes away completely, those tickets will be added into the FP+ pool which will increase the availability of FP+ reservation times.

Finally, and the reason that I don't believe we will ever see "unlimited" FP+ offered for any price, is that Disney carefully tracks ride capacity vs users per day. They can't offer "unlimited" FP+ for a fee if there aren't any tier one rides left (at whichever park) that have FP+ reservations available on a certain day. But they can track ride usage and availability and offer individual FP+ reservations as long as some of the tier one rides (in whichever park) have availability left on that day. Then during really busy times, they can stop offering FP+ reservations for a fee if all of the tier one rides exhaust their FP+ reservations. They might also include a clause stating that by buying an additional FP+ reservation, you aren't guaranteed an additional FP+ reservation for "any" tier one ride, but just that you are guaranteed a reservation for "a" tier one FP+ ride.

Kind of like they do by stating in the park closure rules that upon a certain stage of closure, you are guaranteed access into "one of the parks", but not necessarily the park of your choosing.

PS. I think that Disney could do what another person said in another thread on the subject. They could send you a text saying "Attention, we have a special on the Tomorrowland Speedway, for the next hour FP+ reservations are half price".... That way they could push the rides that are available and leverage the fact that people love to think that they are getting a discount. I equate it to "attention kmart shoppers, we have a blue light special at the Tomorrowland Speedway"..Lol.

 

[Violet Parr]

PS. I think that Disney could do what another person said in another thread on the subject. They could send you a text saying "Attention, we have a special on the Tomorrowland Speedway, for the next hour FP+ reservations are half price".... That way they could push the rides that are available and leverage the fact that people love to think that they are getting a discount. I equate it to "attention kmart shoppers, we have a blue light special at the Tomorrowland Speedway"..Lol.

That boils down to pay-per-ride, and I seriously doubt Disney would do that, especially if Universal does not. It's just...kinda tacky, like a carnival. I seriously doubt that is going to happen.

VP