Don't place Blame...Let's Just Help!!!

daisy2

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I have been reading some of the threads in this area. We need to stop criitcizing and put more of our efforts out there to the victims who lost everything. I have been giving till it hurts. Weather we are of any race of color that should not be an issue. These people who lost their homes and and family members don't have anything to come back too. These are our fellow americans. Lets not sit here and point fingers and says whos fault it is. Yes we were slow at responding but it's kind of hard to set up places for people to come to get medical, food etc help when the hurricane is barying down on them. I myself if I was in that position I would probably be really upset and I would be yelling too. But I have no room to complain these people need help let's get it out to them. I feel helpless from where I am at so I have donated to the redcross and put money in jars whenever I go to the store I will donate until I know these people are taken care of.
 
ITA. I think individuals and private industry can take of the hurricane victims and the flood ravaged areas much faster than the gov't can.
 
I've spent my weekend helping and helping others help. I also come here and vent, so both CAN be done.

It's a forum designed to allow us to vent. I also don't believe in pointless, non productive jargon, my mother taught me to DO not just talk. But thank God this is a place that I can get some of the frustration off.

At church today we prayed, and prayed some more. My son and I spent the day yesterday at the church across the street gathering goods for the trip to the shelters. I cleaned out my closets so I can find things that they can wear. I posted on my local newspaper's website for goods and a room for a single mom and child. I am also working with my chef in getting 5 families into a home near my job. I took their list to a local thrift shop to get some of the things they need.

The work is daunting but so worth it.

And through it all I have THIS PLACE to feel my oats.

Like I said, it can be done.

Robinrs
 
Just because people are here ranting doesn't mean they are helping. It could be that they are doing things, thinking about things, and getting angry. I would much rather see people posting their rants here then keeping them bottled up and not working through them.

all in all I think that it hasn't been that bad here with the fighting. A little worse than a full moon;) but then this has everyone upset.
 

daisy2 said:
I have been reading some of the threads in this area. We need to stop criitcizing and put more of our efforts out there to the victims who lost everything. I have been giving till it hurts. Weather we are of any race of color that should not be an issue. These people who lost their homes and and family members don't have anything to come back too. These are our fellow americans. Lets not sit here and point fingers and says whos fault it is. Yes we were slow at responding but it's kind of hard to set up places for people to come to get medical, food etc help when the hurricane is barying down on them. I myself if I was in that position I would probably be really upset and I would be yelling too. But I have no room to complain these people need help let's get it out to them. I feel helpless from where I am at so I have donated to the redcross and put money in jars whenever I go to the store I will donate until I know these people are taken care of.

I totally agree. This really isn't the time to be placing blame. Just help the people, that's what they need right now. Worry about what went wrong later.
 
I know everyone is doing what they can do. Please forgive me if it came across wrong. I think as a nation we need to come together and help and I know that is happening. I myself feel helpless at times I donate money. I know that helps but I wish I could do more. Please forgive me if I made it sound like you were all not helping out. I didn't mean it that way.
 
goin2disneyagain said:
I totally agree. This really isn't the time to be placing blame. Just help the people, that's what they need right now. Worry about what went wrong later.

Those people are going to need help for quite a long time. Not only are people separated from their families, but many will have psychological issues that need to be dealt with.

I want to make sure our country is prepared for another disaster. Hurricane season isn't over. And after this mess, I honestly can't say that I feel secure here from terrorists if that's how fast the feds respond. Communications between agencies need improvement now.

I keep reading and hearing "this isn't the time" - but right now is the perfect time to get to the bottom of the failures to make sure it doesn't happen again. And who knows how long this recovery - both of the people who survived and the cities destroyed - will take. If someone's not competent to do their appointed job, let someone else with experience do it.
 
To the OP, I respectfully disagree.
I can do both, and I'm not only venting
here on the DIS, I am sending my concerns
to all of my representatives in Government, both state and federal.
And to be honest, besides the giving that
most of us (I hope) in the country are doing,
I believe that letting my representatives know
how I feel is a great thing to be doing, and needed.
My motive is not to hear the sound of my voice
but to encourage change for the better;
change that will help the next victims,
change that will better protect the citizens of this country
whether they are in the midst of a natural disaster
or a terrorist attack.

The people who made mistakes need to not only be
held accountable after this catastrophe,
the arrogant and incompetent ones need to be removed
now before they do even more damage.


And WDWBetsy said some things much better than I could:

WDWBetsy said:
... I want to make sure our country is prepared for another disaster. Hurricane season isn't over. And after this mess, I honestly can't say that I feel secure here from terrorists if that's how fast the feds respond. Communications between agencies need improvement now.

I keep reading and hearing "this isn't the time" - but right now is the perfect time to get to the bottom of the failures to make sure it doesn't happen again. And who knows how long this recovery - both of the people who survived and the cities destroyed - will take. If someone's not competent to do their appointed job, let someone else with experience do it.
 
Again, there is a difference between "blame" and holding officials "accountable" for their lack of leadership..

And I am amazed at people who insist on believing that people can only focus on one task at a time..
 
C.Ann said:
Again, there is a difference between "blame" and holding officials "accountable" for their lack of leadership..

And I am amazed at people who insist on believing that people can only focus on one task at a time..

ITA.

Passion DRIVES people to move. What I see here on this board is PASSION. Sure we get angry, sure we want answers, we do because we're human and we are faced with a history making disaster that before the internet we could only talk about at the water cooler with 3 or 4 people, mostly of LIKE minds. Here I see all kinds of different views, it gives me time to think and to pass on the opinions of those who I most likely will never find around a water cooler to my family and cohorts. It's very enlightening.
 
C.Ann said:
And I am amazed at people who insist on believing that people can only focus on one task at a time..

LOL took the words right out of my mouth. :)

N.E.D.
 
I'd want the forces sent to rescue ME to focus on rescuing me 100%.
 
bicker said:
I'd want the forces sent to rescue ME to focus on rescuing me 100%.

I'm sure they'll find you any minute now Bicker! From what I see on the evil media, they're working pretty hard!!!
;)
 
I'm not so sure... I suspect that they'd be almost there, and some local reporter will pull the commander aside to interrogate him about why it is taking him so long, what kind of qualifications he has to command the mission to rescue me, whether he has ever rescued anyone like me before, how come they're going to try to rescue me before someone else, etc. :rolleyes:
 
Unfortunetly I think pointing fingers (or holding people accountable is what I call it) is necessary in this matter. Many many people suffered and even died because of the lack of help and leadership and most of us spent the horrible week witnessing just that on TV.

This has been a great place to vent, cry, maybe even chuckle (OK whoever mentioned putting the LA govn on a rooftop for awhile did bring a smile to my face). As a Psych major I know these emotions and getting them out is very normal and helpful so I thank the DIS for allowing us to do just this.

.....and yes, I'm sure many of us are helping in our own ways in RL, too. :)
 
daisy2 said:
I have been reading some of the threads in this area. We need to stop criitcizing and put more of our efforts out there to the victims who lost everything. I have been giving till it hurts. Weather we are of any race of color that should not be an issue. These people who lost their homes and and family members don't have anything to come back too. These are our fellow americans. Lets not sit here and point fingers and says whos fault it is. Yes we were slow at responding but it's kind of hard to set up places for people to come to get medical, food etc help when the hurricane is barying down on them. I myself if I was in that position I would probably be really upset and I would be yelling too. But I have no room to complain these people need help let's get it out to them. I feel helpless from where I am at so I have donated to the redcross and put money in jars whenever I go to the store I will donate until I know these people are taken care of.
Amen!
 
Unfortunetly I think pointing fingers (or holding people accountable is what I call it) is necessary in this matter.
I disagree. I think it is more important to determine how this could have happened, even if that means no one, specifically, was at fault. Going in assuming that there is individual blame somewhere biases the investigation towards finding something that may not be there (a la WMD in Iraq?) We shouldn't let our assumptions drive us, regardless of how heartily we believe them to be valid.

Many many people suffered and even died because of the lack of help and leadership and most of us spent the horrible week witnessing just that on TV.
And none of that is resolved, obviated or avenged by finding someone to blame just for the sake of having someone to blame. If there is someone to blame, then surely an investigation will yield tons of evidence to that effect. If, instead, as is probably the case IMHO, we, as a nation, simply didn't devote the resources necessary to preventing something like this, then it would be better for that to come out, rather than that critical message being obscured by the emotion stemming from a witch-hunt.
 
bicker said:
I disagree. I think it is more important to determine how this could have happened, even if that means no one, specifically, was at fault. Going in assuming that there is individual blame somewhere biases the investigation towards finding something that may not be there We shouldn't let our assumptions drive us, regardless of how heartily we believe them to be valid.

I agree. In the business world, things are solve and improved if heads don't roll and you devote your energy into finding out what happened not which dirty so-and-so did what.

I thought this was an interesting opinion column by Debra Saunders of the San Francisco Chronicle:

IT IS ONLY a matter of hours now that, after any catastrophe anywhere in the world -- a tsunami, a hurricane, a terrorist bombing on the London tube -- Bush haters find ways to blame President Bush. Hurricane Katrina? Bush haters have pointed their fingers at global warming, the war on terrorism, the Bush tax cuts, the national dependence on oil -- and in every category, Bush is the root of the evil.

Forget nature. George W. Bush is more powerful.

The German environment minister and U.S. enviro Robert F. Kennedy cited global warming as a cause for the hurricane. It doesn't matter if data show, as James Glassman of TechCentralStation pointed out, the peak for major hurricanes came in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. Columnist Molly Ivins criticized Bush for cutting $71 million from the New Orleans Corps of Engineers -- even though the levee that broke had just been upgraded.

Are National Guardsmen in Iraq? Yes, some 35 percent are, but more are in Louisiana, and nearby police and firefighters can pitch in.

Bush haters who want to appear less rabid than their quick counterparts wait a whole day or so. Thursday the New York Times editorial page hit Bush for delivering a bad speech about the hurricane's aftermath, for grinning while he spoke and for asking Americans to donate cash but not asking them to sacrifice.

The day before, the paper opined "this seems like the wrong moment to dwell on fault-finding, or even to point out that it took what may become the worst natural disaster in American history to pry President Bush out of his vacation."

It's not as pithy as some of the other anti-Bush slogans, but here's an idea for a T-shirt slogan: "Clinton vacationed at Martha's Vineyard and nobody died."

Others have lighted on left-leaning targets. They blame residents of New Orleans for living in a city built largely below sea level. They fault homeowners who live near the beach. Of course, industries like shipping and tourism exist because of those locations. When you think about it, every locale has its hazard, be it hurricane, blistering heat, blizzard, earthquake or tornado.

Some blame families who did not heed the call to evacuate -- including families who didn't have a car, money or a place to go to.

On the right, there is triumph in how the left should be held accountable for America's failure to build more refineries -- as the hurricane damage drives up the price of gasoline. Some gloat that if the left had allowed drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, the nation's oil supply would not be an issue. And what about all those liberal Californians who drive SUVs?

Say what you will, but all of the above arguments are a luxury. Alabama families are dredging water from their living rooms. In the Big Easy, women have had to wade through the nasty liquid clutching a few belongings. And for them the big issues were: Where do I go? What will I do for work? Where is my dog? Did my neighbor make it? How long will I have to sleep in a shelter? Do I even want to go back to the town that I call home?

They aren't stranded because of politics, SUVs or climate change. They are stranded because a planet that graces us with sunshine and warmth also makes storms.

They are stranded because a powerful storm cut a swath through their universe. They thought they could handle it. They survived Camille, or some other storm, and they thought they'd be better off at home. They wanted to be near their families and their pets. They never knew it could get this bad. They had made the same choice before, and it worked for them.

This time, what worked before failed. At times like this, Americans need to help each other.

E-mail: dsaunders@sfchronicle.com.
 
Galahad, that article sums up the situation perfectly. When the storm hit, it was Bush's fault that we have powerful hurricanes because of the increased global warming in the past five years, even though the facts so that the number of powerful hurricanes has actually decreased over the century. Then, on Tuesday, it was his fault that the levees broke because he, like every other administration and every other Congress in American history, underfunded the levee-building project. Nonetheless, he gets the blame. Then the federal relief, which arrived three days after the levee broke (just as quick as it arrived for most of the hurricanes in Florida), is inadequate. Now I'm not making excuses for the help not arriving sooner, but things are more complicated than the president just saying, "I want help at the Superdome NOW." It's just not as simple as that. According to Michael Chertoff, supplies were prepositioned fairly close to NO (not too close though, because what would be the sense in putting supplies and things in the path of the hurricane). These supplies were put into Mississippi and Alabama first, because initially everybody thought these were the big disaster areas. No one knew about New Orleans problem until Tuesday afternoon. So should they have sacrificed all of the supplies going to Mississippi and Alabama and divert them to NO, or wait until more supplies arrived? In any case, Bush haters would have found some way blame him. We had helicopters in NO the day after the hurricane, but would you rather them drop supplies to the tens of thousands of people at the shelters (where people would be fighting over the supplies as you could see on TV) or go look for survivors on their roofs. Chertoff said he decided that those helicopters should go rescue people. Now is that a wrong decision? People just have to look at the facts, and realize that this is the biggest natural disaster in our country's history, and things don't flow as smooth as we think they should. Now that everything is there, which takes time, the operation is rolling on all cylinders.
 


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