Doggie crate training NOT going well. Any ideas???

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Background: We adopted a dog about 2 weeks ago. She is a sweetheart, about 4 years old. Never been crate trained. We originally were told this dog stays home every day for 8 hours - with no problems, no destruction, just no issues.

This dog hates to be alone. The first time we left her alone - which was on day 5, she left a huge mess in the house. Needless to say, we were doing laundry and cleaning carpets late into the night. Our dog went through 2 pet gates to get to our bedrooms to make her messes. We were gone for 2 hours.

So, we get a crate. We've been working on increasing the crate time. Using treats, kongs, dog bones. She scratched herself a hole in the crate that was about 8" by 2". This was in aobut 2.5 hours of being in the crate. We originally tried to have a "dog-crate" pad in the crate, but she started to chew that up.

This crate cost about $150. We obvously can't afford to get new crates about every week, so DH is on his way to the hardware store to find something to "shore" up the crate, safely.

So - any ideas on how we can work with our new dog? We certainly do not want to come home to an injured dog, a ruined crate, or a messed house. We were hoping we would have the crate training all figured out before school starts in the fall.

Thanks for any advice!
 
We have been dealing with that with our newly adopted dog and our dog training teacher helped LOTS! We put him in a crate, cover it with a light sheet (dogs with separation anxiety are more likely to be upset when they can see things), leave on whatever is normally on - TV/radio/whatever. Start putting him in even when you are home even if it's just for a few minutes so he gets used to going in it and realizes that everytime he goes in he won't necessarily stay all day. Try freezing what you put in the kong so he can hold out for longer in the crate. Finally if he starts fussing or digging throw an empty can with change in it near the crate. Don't say anything and never let him connect you with the can. This is just to startle him so he thinks that some magic happens when he is being naughty. This has worked WONDERS for us. Hope it helps :) Good Luck!
 
I notice you are in Wisconsin - i'm not sure where but if you are in South East Wisconsin we have a GREAT dog training class we go to that's really reasonable. PM me if you want a link. :)
 
Walk, walk, walk that dog to the point of exhaustion. Take turns walking him if you have to. This dog has alot of pent up energy to be released! You will be surprised how much this helps a dog adjust to his new life.

Put dog in crate, he freaks, give commands to be quiet. Once he is calm take dog out. Lather, rinse, repeat. Do this over and over till he learns to relax. Probably will be a few months.

Goal is to get the dog to relax. Give relax command outside of crate too, including when you walk him. Keep at it all the time.

Exercise and training will work!:thumbsup2 (walk him first and then do training!!!)
 

kayeandjim00 said:
We have been dealing with that with our newly adopted dog and our dog training teacher helped LOTS! We put him in a crate, cover it with a light sheet (dogs with separation anxiety are more likely to be upset when they can see things), leave on whatever is normally on - TV/radio/whatever. Start putting him in even when you are home even if it's just for a few minutes so he gets used to going in it and realizes that everytime he goes in he won't necessarily stay all day. Try freezing what you put in the kong so he can hold out for longer in the crate. Finally if he starts fussing or digging throw an empty can with change in it near the crate. Don't say anything and never let him connect you with the can. This is just to startle him so he thinks that some magic happens when he is being naughty. This has worked WONDERS for us. Hope it helps :) Good Luck!

This is fantastic advice. Our dog hated her crate when we got her, now it is her safe haven and she loves it.
 
kayeandjim00 said:
Try freezing what you put in the kong so he can hold out for longer in the crate.

The dog we used to have LOVED this. We'd stuff it with leftovers (oatmeal the kids didn't finish, beef stew, applesauce with fresh fruit in it, etc) then freeze it rock solid. By the time she was done licking the stuff out of there, she was tired.

That's about the only good thing the dog had going for her.....she was crate trained after about a week of getting her. She'd go in there on command and settle down and sleep while we were gone.

Too bad the rest of her was so evil. :(
 
I wish I would have had these ideas when we tried crate training our dog! We just eventually gave up after a month or two. She was to the point of hurting herself bloody.

Anyway, what we eventually did was lock her in the bathroom. The tub is her "den" and she loves sleeping in there. She's a big dog and can't even stretch out in the tub, but she loves it.
 
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Someone around us left 4 4week old puppies on the side of the road that we found and brought home. Not only did they have every worm known to animals but all four of them had ticks all over their faces, we took at least 12 off of each one and ringworm. They were lab mixes with something. To make a long story short...we had to keep them until they were well etc but they were too young to be from their mother so they cried all day and night every day. So we did what another posted did that was recommended by the Vet, we put them in the one kennel together at first and then 4 separate ones and put a sheet over it so they could not see out. We put them in the kitchen and put a radio on while we were gone. Within in a week they were doing really well. All four of these puppies were potty trained by their 6th month easily.

We did keep one and the crate is her safe place. She does like it alot now. If she finds a sock, she takes it there and if you try to get it back she does not like it very much. She has a habit of taking my clothes from the dirty laundry basket and putting them in there. Guess she thinks I am her mother! But, I did everything a mother would I guess! She will take pants and shirts whatever and sleep with them. Drives me crazy.

Good luck! It is worth it in the end.

Kelly
 
I've had two dogs that absolutely HATED a crate. It didn't matter what I tried, they had separation anxiety and they had confinement issues.

For me, the best thing was to confine them to one room (as opposed to a crate), a bathroom is usually best because there is no carpeting. Don't give them full run of the house.

Here are some links with more information that might help you:

http://www.puplife.com/dogcaretips/cratetraining.html

http://www.healthypet.com/library_view.aspx?ID=107&sid=1

http://www.animed.org/dogs_crate_training_tips.htm

http://dogs.about.com/z/js/o.htm?k=...=Crate Training Dogs&r=http://dogs.about.com/
 
When we got Casey, it was hell on Earth while we tried to crate train her. I can say now, happily, that she loves her crate and puts herself to bed and in for naps most days.

Have you read up on the proper way to crate train? The biggest problem is that most people do it incorrectly. Run a Google search and find a reputable website (vet or handler based, hopefully) and see if you're doing everything correctly. Otherwise, I would say invest in a book from a bookstore.

With Casey, we found that putting a blanket over her crate worked, too. Initially, she didn't like it either. She would find the smallest hole to peep through and would howl through it. One of the biggest things with crate training is holding out and seeing them through it. They will, eventually, come to like their crate if you're doing it properly.

The other suggestion of exercise, exercise, exercise, was one of the ones on my list, too. Depending on the type of breed, some dogs need a lot of exericse. Casey is/was one of them. We will take her to play fetch/soccer and then swimming just to run her ragged. If she doesn't get her exercise, look out. No ne can sit quietly and watch TV. Find something that fits your routine/schedule and get into a routine. The dog has probably lacked a schedule, routine, and structure for quite awhile. You've got to get them back into it. It's like having a puppy when you're trying to figure everything out. We kept a diary that just tracked when she ate, when she peed and pooped, how much exercise she got, how much she ate, etc. It will help you establish the dog's routine and will make it easier for you to work their schedule into your schedule. We know that if Casey doesn't poop at 6:40am, there's something wrong.

My mom was having a lot of trouble with her two dogs when she remarried and introduced a third dog into the house. They were all male dogs, so they would pee one right on top of the other. Not good. While I visited one time, I crate trained them. They were 5. The biggest thing with non-previously trained dogs is to be with them right there and put them in their crates. With them, I would pull their crates into the living room and put them in the crates. I'd hunker in and watch a movie or read a book. Initially, they'd be in there for a half hour or so every other hour. Then a half hour every hour. Then 45 minutes. Then an hour with a half hour break between. Slowly move the crate out of the family room/room you're spending time in and towards where they will be living once crate trained (see below, too). It taught them that the crates were their dens... something most animals need and want. It also helped them realize that just because they were being crated didn't mean people were leaving for several hours. Have you established a going-out-the-door routine with the dog? If not, you need to- bathroom, crate, treat, whatever it may be. Do that routine while you're training so that they get used to this is what happens before going in the crate and not necessarily as you go out the door (both, really).

Is there something funny in the crate with your dog? Does it smell like something else? Another animals bed linens? Have you washed it since purchasing it? You need to establish that it's their place ad invest in or recycle a blanket or towel and let them claim it as theirs. Casey will actually mumble about the cats being in her crate of they decide that's a cozy place to call home.

She also sounds like she gets bored. Hopefully you can start exercising her/him to a point that they look at the crate a realx/sleep time. Until then, keep them occupied. Do you have one of the breeds that needs to be doing something constantly or gets bored easily (Collies come to mind)? If so, you're going to have to find a remedy that works for your specific furbaby. Kongs? Rawhide? Durable chew toy?

Your crate should be somewhat in the middle of your home so that the dog doesn't feel like they're being ostracized from the family. Casey's is in a nook right outside the kitchen. Right now, DH is making breakfast and I am nearby on the computer. Where is she? In her crate. This will help tremendously as you put them in for a short period of time and work your way up in minutes and away in distance.

Personally, and I haven't met the dog... she sounds like she's having anxiety about being left alone. You said shelter and you never, ever know what's happened to them. You may be trying to fix something that runs far deeper than exercise and whatnot. You may have to heal the inside first. Bless you for choosing a shelter animal though. :lovestruc

Lastly... is the crate big enough? I wonder becuase you said the dog was able to do something to it. They must have enough room to stand up, sit down, and turn around in it with clearance above their head and hunches (by law). If they are able to fully lay down and spread out, it will only help.

Good luck! Always here to help and please PM me if you need something!
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ETA: For the most part, we still crate her at night. That was the big one we had trouble with Casey becuase she would howl all night long. We ignored her and didn't give her attention at all. That's what they want- attention- whether it be positive or negative. We got into a habit of getting everything set and ready for bed before putting her into her crate.We'd be in PJs and have everything taken care of for the next morning (cell phone charging, teeth brushed, alarms set, lights out, bed turned down, etc). We'd take her out for her last trip and then put her in the crate. We'd sit with her there in the kitchn until she fell asleep. Then, becuase everything was ready, all we had to do was get into bed. If we so much as flipped a light, she'd wake up and cause a raucous. It only took about 2 weeks of this. Looking back at it now, I think she was scared of the new home and noises at night. She's always been a dog that's wants to be with people and I know the night separation bugged her. I will admit that when she woke us up in the middle of the night (well, woke me up since DH was gone with the military a lot), it was a PIA the sit there with her and do homework at 3:00 in the morning, but in the end, she settled it and went to bed nicely.
 


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