Does Anyone Remember Disney Before Fast Pass Existed?

I didn't go to Disney World during slow or average times until I was a married adult. My first Disney vacation was when I was 10 years old the end of June. It is still my favorite Disney vacation, despite the long lines and lack of Fastpass. We went for 2 full weeks and stayed at the Poly. We did Disney World at a slow pace (DHS was brand new, only 3 parks), the water park, and Universal (first month or two of opening) and Seaworld. We also had plenty of pool time to enjoy the then less fancy but still fun volcano slide and ate at the restaurants, include V&A (no age limit then, as my 8 year old brother could come). I loved arriving on the monorail. It built anticipation and was a ride in itself. Walt knew how to build anticipation and wonder in a kid!

My parents liked all the variety that Orlando had to offer, so they bought a 3 bedroom timeshare down there over Christmas week. After our first trip, we would go to Orlando and stay during the busiest week of the year. Long lines came with the territory, but as a teenager, people watching and chatting with my family were just as interesting as a ride. Hey, if shopping with my friends at a mall could be considered entertainment, then the Magic Kingdom was just that much better! (But fewer good sales.) However, my dad likes to try new things, so we did not do Disney every year. We did all sorts of things in central Florida. All still fun.

As an adult with my own child, I am learning what the wonder of a Disney Vacation means to me. It's funny how as an adult, you try to give your child the best of what you had, and even the things that you missed to your child. By 10 years old, I was past the wonder of believing - that the characters were REAL - that there truly was magic. Right now my son BELIEVES he can use the force to open car doors and do other things. He believes in magic and loves to take in the world around him. I am taking him for his first visit at 4 (would have been sooner, but things got in the way, and we kept having to push it back as DH refuses to go during summer or other busy times) in hopes that he will find Disney World a magical place.

We are staying on property and eating at a ton of signature and other sit down restaurants because a big part of exploring a place for our family is the food. Counter service, except maybe in the World Showcase, isn't going to do much for me. We are even getting a tour guide for a morning because with all this stressful talk of FP+ on the Strategy Board (which used to be a very different place over a year ago), I just said forget it all! Even though I don't like the idea of being escorted by a stranger on our family vacation, I wanted one day of not having to worry about a thing and leaving it to someone else.

I think it really boils down to what makes Disney your happy place. For me it's a themed resort, leisurely meals, some fun entertainment (the theme parks), and maybe some water sports or surfing. It's really about exploring with my family.

I can see why some people are upset. For GAC users, having to change the one place you could be as care free as possible with your child, with chefs who would be very careful with meals to the ease of enjoying rides with the entire family, the new changes brought about by a few abusers are very disappointing. It's not that the new system is horrible, it is different and doesn't lend itself to the same ease for some families with special needs. Instead, it requires a lot more planning and running around for the parents, which is more stressful. For families that began their trips to Disney post Fastpass, the idea of no longer being able to save your place in line for the more popular attractions as you go around the park but instead have to plan when and where you will be days or months in advance is disappointing and more stressful. Change is always stressful to some degree, whether it be good or bad. I am not going to lie. I like that I can get a Fastpass in exchange for a shorter wait in line. Disney won't get rid of the system because Universal does it. ;) In fact, I remember when Universal had a non-pay system like Disney, and the Express Pass just didn't give you an allotted time and a pass for every ride. Don't know if they still do that... I think Fastpass is a great bonus, especially for very young children. I think families would wait until their youngest was out of the preschool set and better able to handle walking and lines much like my family, and it looks like the OP started going when she was a little older child too. For me, Fastpass means I can convince my DH to take our 4 year old to Disney and not wait "even though he may not remember the trip" as many people like to point out. Doesn't matter. I will remember when my son thought the magic was real, and that's what matters to me.
 
Of course I do. First trip was in 1977.

I also remember no cell phones, no anti lock brakes, no computers etc.

A wise man once said "The good old days weren't all that good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems".

Sure we all survived (and had fun) but was it better? DISNEY created its own monster with FP. It's not that we've become intolerant of waiting on our own. Disney made us this way.

Since you are posting this quote, I guess you are also open to the fact that the new FP+ "ain't as bad *** it seems".
 
In those pre-internet days, my parents say they were pretty lost and wandered a lot the first day on our first trip to MK. That night, they studied the map, thought about what they had observed, and made a touring plan. :) I was too afraid to ride the mountains, so we were able to skip the worst lines, unless my dad waited by himself, although I do remember being told that Dumbo wouldn't be worth the wait. I don't remember a long line for one of my favorites, Peter Pan, but maybe we went there at rope drop? My parents also took us out of school at least once, so the crowds would be lower.
 
KilroyWasHere said:
Since you are posting this quote, I guess you are also open to the fact that the new FP+ "ain't as bad *** it seems".

Of course. I dislike the concept of FP+ A LOT. But I love Disney more than I dislike New FP. So my strategy is to learn EVERYTHING I can about the system...,study it. Know it inside and out (good bad and ugly) so that I can still maximize my trip over and above Joe-average visitor.
 

Of course. I dislike the concept of FP+ A LOT. But I love Disney more than I dislike New FP. So my strategy is to learn EVERYTHING I can about the system...,study it. Know it inside and out (good bad and ugly) so that I can still maximize my trip over and above Joe-average visitor.

A nice positive attitude. It is good to hear!
 
Absolutely! Most of my Disney trips were before FP. In fact, the only time I used FP was the last time I went to Disney, about 8 years ago. And we always went during school breaks, without any touring plans.
 
Oh, I remember. First trip was in 1999, supposed to be the one trip to WDW for my dd, mother and me. I was stupid. I did some research, but not enough. Who knew that you shouldn't go to MK on a Saturday, and the. Try to ride Splash Mt around 2:00! Dd and I waited 2.5 hrs for that! Crazy. Learned our lesson.
We went again in 2001....waited in lines, but seldom more than 45 mins. Today, I won't wait more than 25 mins....for anything. Granted, I'm looking at stay number 30-something in June, so don't have to hit every attraction. I can pick and choose. We don't think of WDW as merely 'amusement parks'. We enjoy taking our time and taking it all in. We are still able to do that. That is part of our vacation.

The thing that still surprises me? After being in existence for many years, there are still people that have no idea what FP (either -or +) is. They still look at those of us using FP and make snide comments about how much we must have spent to get in that line, and what a waste of money it is....or that we must be some kind of VIP. It boggles my mind.

Things change...it's the nature of life. Man, I wish Disney would bring back E-Nights! Now those were terrific.
 
My family probably went 20 times before FP started & My mom remembers all the way back to ticket books :)


I imagine the upset at each change was comparable to FP+ upset... But now we have pervasive Internet to share our feelings

-1971 MK opens and has a small entrance fee, but pay per ride (or buy ticket book)

-1982 MK eliminates ticket books and offers unlimited rides: but drastically ups the entrance price
>> not fair! People start clogging up all the lines and riding thing 2&3&4 times! I'm willing to pay for that privilege and these people are all just abusing the free unlimited rides. Unhappy because my experience has changed!

-1999 Fastpass implemented: allows you to virtually hold a spot in line while enjoying something else.
>> not fair! I don't want to have to criss cross all over the park to get these stupid paper tickets. Why can't people just wait in lines the normal way? I don't have the energy to go over to every ride twice! But if i dont, Other people get there first and snatch up all the good times! Unhappy because my experience has changed!

-2013 FP+ implemented: limited to 3 'virtual place holders' per guest
>> not fair! I've learned to maximize the old system, now I'm being restricted! Other people are taking my benefits away from me without having to 'work for it'. I don't have time to wait in line on a vacation! Unhappy because my experience has changed!

Seems like every 10-15 years Disney finds a way to change the system just as we've all settled into the old one. Change is hard, but progress usually has some purpose. I guess we all need to start bracing ourselves for the horrible sweeping changes that are likely to come in and ruin our plans in 2025 ;)
 
Yes I do. And this is why I get so flabbergasted at people who don't want to visit b/c they don't like FP+. Just pretend it's 1998 or earlier and then don't use it! :)

Just have a good touring plan, go during a slower time, and you'll be fine without Fastpasses.

And for those people who can't go during a slower time? What about those being who don't want to be "fine" for their money, but want to have a great time? FastPass greatly improved my Disney experience. FastPass+ ruined that improved experience. All the while, costs have increased. The previous FastPass system worked, and it worked well. This new one is a travesty.
 
I've been going to Disney since the days of the ticket books, so yes I certainly remember pre FP days.

I remember the ticket system. My first Disney experience was in 1970 at Disneyland, at the age of 12. We bought ticket booklets and determined how best to use our limited E tickets, and made sure we didn't waste the A - D tickets that were in the booklet. My second, and last Disney trip was to WDW in '72. I am finally getting a chance to return to WDW, and I am excited about the MagicBands and the use of my iPhone to plan FastPass+ experiences, for all those E ticket attractions. ;-)
 
My first trip to WDW was in 1976! I remember the book of paper tickets and those coveted E ride tickets :) I still have some put away. We went every 2 years when I was young and then every year through the 90's.

Long lines? Heck yes, but that's what we expected so we dealt with it. Today would I wait for 2 hours in line for SM, Splash or BTMRR..no. I would time those rides with a parade or go right before the park closes and go then. The rides to me are only a part of my Disney experience but that is my opinion.

My last trip was in 1999 (I think) and then did not go again until last year. I did notice that the level of service wasn't the same but seeing Main Street still makes me cry and there is still no other place I'd rather be :goodvibes
 
That is what I mean when I say I think there are a lot of Fast Pass fans that go to Disney World. The fact that the change in Disney's Fast Pass system can cause so much animosity is just bizarre to me. If you are a fan of Disney World, why does this new system undo everything else that should be loved? IDK

That's an easy question to answer ... My last pure FP trip was November 2012, Thanksgiving Week. During my one day at HS, I was able to ride TSMM four times: Rope Drop plus three FP. Under the new system, that can't happen. At most I could ride it twice, or a 50% reduction in my TSMM experience (I refuse to wait in a line as long as TSMM).

I loved Disney World for the fun times with my family. Those fun times were largely built in riding rides, spending an entire day roaming the park from ride to ride, stopping only for meals and snacks. The FP+ system breaks that.
 
I have visited since I was a little kid in the 70's . I remember touring for many years without FP. And this was when there was only one park and then two when Epcot opened.

I remember the ticket system and the books vividly.
 
My family probably went 20 times before FP started & My mom remembers all the way back to ticket books :)


I imagine the upset at each change was comparable to FP+ upset... But now we have pervasive Internet to share our feelings

-1971 MK opens and has a small entrance fee, but pay per ride (or buy ticket book)

-1982 MK eliminates ticket books and offers unlimited rides: but drastically ups the entrance price
>> not fair! People start clogging up all the lines and riding thing 2&3&4 times! I'm willing to pay for that privilege and these people are all just abusing the free unlimited rides. Unhappy because my experience has changed!

-1999 Fastpass implemented: allows you to virtually hold a spot in line while enjoying something else.
>> not fair! I don't want to have to criss cross all over the park to get these stupid paper tickets. Why can't people just wait in lines the normal way? I don't have the energy to go to every ride twice! But if i dont, Other people get there first and snatch up all the good times!

-2013 FP+ implemented: limited to 3 'virtual place holders' per guest
>> not fair! I've learned to maximize the old system, now I'm being restricted! Other people are taking my benefits away from me without having to 'work for it'. I don't have time to wait in line on a vacation!

Seems like every 10-15 years Disney finds a way to change the system just as we've all settled into the old one. Change is hard, but progress usually has some purpose. I guess we all need to start bracing ourselves for the horrible sweeping changes that are likely to come in and ruin our plans in 2025 ;)

I really like this, I don't have an memory of long lines when I went to DisneyLand and WDW back in the 80's but thats because I was just a wee little lad. Couldn't have been that bad at Christmas time...?

I look at your list as:
1970's - why do I need to pay per ride isn't there an unlimited pass?
1980's / 90's - do I really need to stand in line all day? can't i get something to skip the lines or buy a line skip pass?
2000's - why do I need to weave all over the park to grab FP-? can't I just book the times on my cell phone? it is the 21st century after all
 
:worship: Well, I vote best post ever. At least for the past few months I've been lurking around here. :worship:

I posted basically the same sentiments in another thread that was started by a mother who was planning her first family trip and had been worked into a tizzy by all the FP+ threads.

Am I happy FP+ exists? Yes. It will be nice to move a little quicker with a almost 3 year old waiting with either my husband or myself while the other rides with our oldest. Or in line with us, trying to keep her focused or still.

Could I live without FP+? Most definitely. You do what you have to. Honestly, I don't even like looking at it that way. Who knows what our 3 year old will experience while waiting? Who knows what she'll see? She's going to be soaking in Disney through the eyes of a child...which is kinda what the place was completely built around. That we would all see things the way a child does. If she has to wait around for 90 minutes, she'll be so lost in the experience and magic I don't think she'll notice. Now, could all the pixie dust disintegrate into a tired toddler meltdown at any point? Yes. But isn't that a part of life? A part of being a parent?

I've only been to Disney two other times in my life: '88 and '98. I was 7 and 17. I don't have one bad memory. Not a single one. Disney was magical. 2.5 hour wait for Space Mountain and all. In '98, my little brothers were 8 and 5. I don't remember one temper tantrum about waiting for a ride. Both of our parents worked full time, and although they didn't work ridiculously long hours, it was so nice to have an hour or two in line to just sit and talk with our Mom and Dad. Something we almost never had at home.

Sometimes I think people are so focused on "making the most out of the trip", that they don't really make the most out of the trip.
 
I love disney world. Always have always will. Everyone needs to simma don na!! Changes happen. I'm not completely stoked myself but I will roll with it. I will still love and go to disney. It's my happy place!
 
I had my first Disney trip at a very young age and although FP came out before I even turned ten I do remember having to wait in line without fastpasses. And you know what the best part is, no one cared, because that was the standard. Long lines, long waits, crowded queues. It was the standard. That was why Disney took so much time and effort to make the waiting areas so interesting. To this day I will not get a FP for Space Mountain or Splash mountain? Why you may ask. Because in Space Mountain I love looking at the little "portal" windows with the asteroids and the stars and all of that other fun stuff, and in Splash mountain, half the fun is the line... seeing all of the pictures or brer Rabbit, and Brer Fox etc, and going up the stairs into the little "treehouse" thing.. it's awesome. It is so very worth the wait. I still don't understand why people are so frustrated with this new system. Disney still happens with a fastpass or not. People are just so caught up in the hype and wanting everything to happen immediately, that they forget that vacations are about the downtime. I still love waiting in lines, so everyone else can fastpass+ around me then. I miss old, long line waiting, Disney.
 
I've been going to Disney since the days of the ticket books, so yes I certainly remember pre FP days. In addition, hubby has always hated the running back and forth, etc associated with the old FP and would say he wished they just eliminated all together. We've now made 2 trips with FP+ and for our style of touring FP+ is a big improvement over FP-

Stampingoddess...I could have written this post!! I have one of the old ticket books somewhere in this house! It still has a few tickets in it.

We used FP + in January with a group of 7 (3 generations of us!) and it worked fine for us. I'm going back in March for a long weekend with my DSis and already planned out our FPs and how to use our time most effectively especially since neither of us are "rope-drop" people. Count me with the group that doesn't get an angst with the changes to FP.:confused3
 
Yes! I completly agree with this post! Have people just become more impatient generally that they won't wait in a line longer than 1 hour?

Some people won't wait in a line that is more than 20 min....
See in this thread:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3235182

I started this thread because I was curious about the same thing....and I guess everyone is just very different in their views of wait times and what is acceptable.
 
When I was younger (I want to say, around 7-8 years old) we went to Disney, and Fastpass wasn't around yet. We had to wait an hour for some rides, but the wait wasn't really the thing that annoyed us. It was waiting in line with nothing to look at, while sweating our butts off. Disney started adding fans, TVs, interactive things, etc. to lines later, so my family was happier. I hear of people refusing to wait in lines that are 30 minutes, but I think that's very reasonable for the amount of people they have in the parks. :confused3 Part of me thinks that Fastpass made things worse. It's a cool thing to have, but the enjoyment of my vacation does not revolve around it. There's always something to do or see.
 












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