Does anyone else feel like a criminal when going through TSA?

[soccerdad72]

So you both are going to double down on the idea that if you were to walk into a Walmart for Eggs or to pick up a Moneygram there, or to make a MoneyGram type payment at your local bank or pick up eggs from a local farmer - then it would be legitimate if someone who is an employee decides to just strip search you and detain you without explanation and without needing to answer to any authorities for a sexual battery charge?

Nice red herring there, adding in the strip search and detaining to the situation.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Nice red herring there, adding in the strip search and detaining to the situation.

How is it a red herring? Are you saying it has never happened? This behavior is 100% within the scope of practice and has been reported a lot.

 

[soccerdad72]

How is it a red herring? Are you saying it has never happened?

Can you show one example of a passenger being strip searched by TSA?

 

[sam_gordon]

So you both are going to double down on the idea that if you were to walk into a Walmart for Eggs or to pick up a Moneygram there, or to make a MoneyGram type payment at your local bank or pick up eggs from a local farmer - then it would be legitimate if someone who is an employee decides to just strip search you and detain you without explanation and without needing to answer to any authorities for a sexual battery charge?

OK, I accept that this is how you see it and have no desire to change your minds but I respectfully disagree and feel this is precisely why the courts need to review now, 20+ years after implementation. To me there are awful stories out there and I think the whole thing should be settled.

T W E N T Y Y E A R S and never made its way through the courts.

Can an employee decide on their own with no advance warning to detain you and search you? No.
Can a company post a sign outside their door saying "anyone entering this establishment is subject to search"? Absolutely.

I assume you've been to Disney. Why are they allowed to search your bags? Isn't that an "invasion of privacy"?

 

[LuvOrlando]

Can you show one example of a passenger being strip searched by TSA?

Well this is something, not sure if I want to spend the day on it

IJ Files Brief Calling for Accountability for TSA Agent Who Conducted Intrusive Cavity Search​

Dan King · May 25, 2022



Airport, not TSA but still in the airport

In horrifying detail, women accuse U.S. customs officers of invasive body searches​

By Susan Ferriss | Center for Public Integrity
August 19, 2018 at 7:00 a.m. EDT




Not going to defend this further, not so sure why people are in love with the idea but some people are not, hence the need for it to be sorted.

 

[sam_gordon]

For ANY one willing to answer...

Let's say the government has put YOU in charge of airport security. How do you set up the policies? No security? Anyone can go "air side"? Metal detectors only? "Body scanners"? What happens if an anomaly is noticed? "No problem, continue on."?

 

[sam_gordon]

Well this is something, not sure if I want to spend the day on it
https://ij.org/press-release/ij-fil...-agent-who-conducted-intrusive-cavity-search/

Airport, not TSA but still in the airport

In horrifying detail, women accuse U.S. customs officers of invasive body searches​

By Susan Ferriss | Center for Public Integrity
August 19, 2018 at 7:00 a.m. EDT

Did I miss it? I see reference to a "groin search" (which the article doesn't elaborate on), but I don't see where it was a strip search. Or is it because I'm not doing enough research on the case?

 

[tvguy]

What process? Security? Like I said, as long as I can remember, there's been security at airports. And, if you're willing to bet that, find a lawyer and go to court.

Sam, I thought you were older than me? I'm 65 and airport security is still a relatively new thing to me. Of course, i worked at our airport in security 1973-1975 and security consisted or one Deputy Sheriff, and sometimes one Explorer from the Sheriff's Department Explorer program. No metal detectors, no baggage checks, you could go right up to the gate to see passengers off, and meet them there when they returned.

 

[luvnwdwgal]

Going through security is the worse part of flying for me. I have anxiety issues anyway so I never like it. I don’t have anxiety at all about the actual flight.

 

[luvnwdwgal]

I guess I've been lucky. I can't remember the last time I got a physical "pat down". Been wanded and sent back through the detector, but it's been years since I was actually touched by TSA (in fact, the last time might have been prior to the creation of the TSA).

When flying out of MCO in August they were patting pretty much everybody down. First time I’ve ever gone through that.

 

[sam_gordon]

Sam, I thought you were older than me? I'm 65 and airport security is still a relatively new thing to me. Of course, i worked at our airport in security 1973-1975 and security consisted or one Deputy Sheriff, and sometimes one Explorer from the Sheriff's Department Explorer program. No metal detectors, no baggage checks, you could go right up to the gate to see passengers off, and meet them there when they returned.

Nope, younger than you my friend. I remember metal detectors from 30+ years ago. I do remember being able to go "air side" without a ticket (meeting/seeing off friends & family).

ETA: On July 17, 1970, New Orleans International in Louisiana became the first airport to use magnetometers to detect weapons—or anything made of metal—together with behavioral profiling of passengers. Source

 

[Dan Murphy]

I've never felt like a criminal, or thought I was doing something "wrong". I've had nice, friendly, joking agents, and I've had rude agents. I've had my shoes swabbed, I've been wanded, and I've been "frisked". I've had my bags opened and searched.

I've never really understood the hate/fear some have of TSA. I remember metal detectors and security WELL before TSA was in existence. There are some "good" TSA officers and some "poor". Funny, I run into "good" and "poor" people in every place I do business.

Rather than repeating all this, Sam, I'll just do a quote here for me. Thanks for lending me your reply.

 

[sam_gordon]

Rather than repeating all this, Sam, I'll just do a quote here for me. Thanks for lending me your reply.

Glad I could help Dan.

 

[LuvOrlando]

The points of view here are just giving me the creeps... I'm out

Just gross

 

[tvguy]

Nope, younger than you my friend. I remember metal detectors from 30+ years ago. I do remember being able to go "air side" without a ticket (meeting/seeing off friends & family).

ETA: On July 17, 1970, New Orleans International in Louisiana became the first airport to use magnetometers to detect weapons—or anything made of metal—together with behavioral profiling of passengers. Source

I kissed my now wife for the first time in January 1981 as she boarded a flight to go visit her dad. Took her right up to the gate to see her off, and met her right at the gate when she returned. No metal detectors

 

[disneyseniors]

I had an embarrassing experience with them one time right after 911.
I was boarding at a small airport and I was pulled aside to have all my things gone through and rechecked patdown. They had to hold the plane for me and I felt like a criminal as all the people watched me get on the plane late.

Oh, don't wear a top with those rhinestones on it. I had to be patted down as the lady explained that apparently people hid some type of device in these?

Now we have Precheck and I love it. You do get checked every once in a while, but it is really nice to breeze through. We had it and didn't know it until the agent told us we didnt have to take off shoes, etc. Apparently, at a certain age they automatically issue TSAprecheck? I don't know.

 

[wvjules]

The points of view here are just giving me the creeps... I'm out

Just gross

What is gross?

 

[soccerdad72]

I kissed my now wife for the first time in January 1981 as she boarded a flight to go visit her dad. Took her right up to the gate to see her off, and met her right at the gate when she returned. No metal detectors

https://www.ibm.com/blogs/systems/a...line-security-hijackings-and-metal-detectors/

Starting January 5, 1973, the FAA instituted universal physical screening of passengers, and everyone had to pass through metal detectors and have their bags searched. In 1974[8], the Air Transportation Security Act sanctioned the FAA’s universal screening rule, forcing U.S. airports to adopt metal-detection screening portals for passengers and X-ray inspection systems for carry-on bags.

 

[Moliphino]

I had a guy once dig through everything in my purse including taking all of the change out of my wallet and inspecting it. He didn't find anything prohibited. It was the Grand Forks airport, so dude was probably just bored out of his mind that morning.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Not that exactly how you describe but I am quite terrified of being physically groped etc. which is allowed by the process. I never like being touched by strangers in any way so deliberately putting myself into a situation where I could be manhandled like a prisoner simply because I am in the scope of a TSA agent having a bad day, feeling some kind of way or who doesn't like the way I am looking on any given day just puts me over the edge. We have the Global Entry and all and I would literally rather them give me an x-ray or pay for a MRI than be touched like I see in the news and on TV etc.

I don't get why my rights are suspended just by being in the building at this point.

There is no right to fly on an airplane. Therefore your rights aren't being suspended. Don't like flying? Do what I do. Don't fly. I don't fly unless it's a long trip. You certainly have the right not to be searched and they have the right not to allow you to fly. It's the same thing at an NFL stadium or a concert. It's their venue and they have the right to put conditions for entry. You have the right not to enter.

So you both are going to double down on the idea that if you were to walk into a Walmart for Eggs or to pick up a Moneygram there, or to make a MoneyGram type payment at your local bank or pick up eggs from a local farmer - then it would be legitimate if someone who is an employee decides to just strip search you and detain you without explanation and without needing to answer to any authorities for a sexual battery charge?

OK, I accept that this is how you see it and have no desire to change your minds but I respectfully disagree and feel this is precisely why the courts need to review now, 20+ years after implementation. To me there are awful stories out there and I think the whole thing should be settled.

T W E N T Y Y E A R S and never made its way through the courts.

Regarding your first paragraph. No. That's not what they said at all and you know it. Requiring a search as a condition for entry, which would be Walmart's right if they did so, is not remotely the same thing as randomly deciding to strip search you and commit sexual battery on a whim. And to characterize their statements thus is fallacious at best.

Regarding the second, It went through the courts long before. There are numerous cases that reaffirm that the right to travel doesn't include the right to a certain method of travel such as an airplane or operating a motor vehicle.

The Supreme court also refused to take the case and let stand an appeals court decision ruling the TSA scans constitutional.

From the circuit court ruling.
"screening passengers at an airport is an "administrative search" because the primary goal is not to determine whether any passenger has committed a crime but rather to protect the public from a terrorist attack…..An administrative search does not require individualized suspicion." ....That balance clearly favors the Government here. The need to search airline passengers "to ensure public safety can be particularly acute"