Does anyone agree with me on this...

frijole said:
Not all Muslims are terroists but so far EVERY current terrorist has been a Muslim.

Oklahoma City Bombing. NOT a Muslim
Those ABORTION foes, NOT Muslim (sorry shooting Doctors and nurse is the ACT of a terrorist)
Atlanta Olympics Bombing, NOT a Muslim
Numerous acts of terror in Spain done by Basque Seperatists (NOT Muslim)
FA setting fire to the bathroom, Pretty sure he wasn't Muslim just an idiot!

(Those come to mind in about two seconds... off to add another person to my ignore list, I don't really want to deal with "Racism" and that's what posts like this are.)
 
PortieOwner said:
Checked bag with a bomb? Hope not. All airports now have screening machines which should find not just nitrate-based explosives (like Semtex and TNT) but also the liquid explosives. I believe the main machine is an MRI-like device, but they also have "sniffer" machines and they are using more and more dogs to sniff checked luggage. The also hand-check a lot of luggage.

There are also a couple of reasons a bomb in the cargo won't work quite as well but I won't go into it.

I am also wondering about these big delays at security people are complaining about. I travelled a lot this past year and found it no worse than before Sept. 11.

Portie


Last I heard, this WAS NOT true in all airports. All luggage is not x-rayed everywhere. Has it changed? It is something they wanted to do, but it wasn't implemented quickly because of expense.
 
jodifla said:
Last I heard, this WAS NOT true in all airports. All luggage is not x-rayed everywhere. Has it changed? It is something they wanted to do, but it wasn't implemented quickly because of expense.

My understanding is that yes, it is implemented everywhere now. It isn't just an x-ray but more like an MRI which color-codes things so they are easier to detect by the human eye. There are also machines which sniff for explosive and in some cases dogs. They have had the machines for a long time but didn't have the capacity (space) at every airport for enough machines to check 100 percent of the bags. I think Congress first ordered 100 percent bag screening to be in place by Jan 1, 2003 (I am not looking this up)--that date was not met but they screen them all now.

Even if they did not screen with the machine, hand-checks of luggage an explosive sniffing should usually be enough to prevent a large enough bomb from getting on board.

Portie
 
WillCAD said:
If electronics are banned from US flights, that's when I will stop flying. I don't care about a Chapstick, or even about not being able to take a bottle of water on the plane with me, but I refuse to put $3000 worth of camera and computer gear into a checked bag which cannot be locked (by law), and just trust the TSA screeners and the airline baggage handlers to get it all to my destination intact and with nothing missing. I'll drive instead.

I totally agree. I read the following article regarding laptops and had a fit. There is NO way I am putting my laptop in my luggage. If they do ban laptops, then I won't be going anywhere. Who in their right mind would put their laptop in checked luggage? I may as well take a sledge hammer to it now and have the satisfaction of knowing I destroyed it myself instead of having baggage handlers ruin or steal it.


Get Used to Checking Your Laptop
By JULIE SCOTT

TORONTO (CP) - Business travellers should get used to the idea of parting with their laptops at the check-in counter even though Canada hasn't officially banned computers from carry-on luggage, says one industry expert.

Michele Ferrari of HRG North America, a corporate travel management company, is advising her clients to pack their machines with their checked luggage in order to avoid unnecessary hassles at the airport.

This week's terror arrests in Britain prompted British and U.S. officials to ban many items that are found in nearly every business traveller's briefcase.

Laptop computers, iPods and cellphones are currently banned from the passenger cabin on all flights to the U.S. from Britain and on British Airways flights from the U.S. to the U.K.

Canada has taken steps to increase security, banning passengers from taking any liquid or gels onboard, but hasn't added laptops to the list.

Ferrari says checking the computer may just be easier.

"The problem is once you get up to the security gate and you haven't packed your laptop it could potentially be even more of an inconvenience," she said Friday. "Or you could potentially miss your flight if you have to go back and check it.

"Given the general rule that laptops are no longer allowed as carry-on, we are advising travellers to pack their laptops," she added.

Jacques Duchesneau of the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority also urged passengers to check laptops.

"My suggestion is, could you help us to help you and put these things in your checked baggage, not in your carry-on," he said Friday during a news conference in Ottawa.

Ferrari is the executive vice-president of client management for HRG North America, which helps corporations manage their business travel needs. She acknowledges that even the most seasoned business travellers will have to adjust.

"The frequent traveller is absolutely going to be inconvenienced," she said. "There's no two ways around that. If you are a road warrior and you're used to throwing a few things in a carry-on and getting on the plane, for now, those days are over."

In addition to telling clients to pack their computers, Ferrari also has a couple of other tips.

She says having the information stored on the machine backed up somewhere else is crucial. That way, if the laptop doesn't survive the trip, you can still retrieve lost information.

"They should back up their laptops, which frequent travellers don't tend to do," she said. "There's some new behaviour modification that we have to introduce."

She also says companies should check into their insurance policies to see if damaged or stolen laptops are covered, and find out if employees travelling with laptops may have coverage with their credit card.

"There are a few things that you just need to be more conscious of than you would have been historically," she said.

Air Canada hasn't changed its position on laptops. For now, the airline is sticking with its policy to recommend passengers carry their laptops on the plane. The airline says on its website it's not responsible for laptops that are checked.

"Until the rules change, we're keeping the old system," Air Canada spokesman Peter Fitzpatrick said Friday.

As for passengers who are flying Air Canada out of Heathrow in London, where laptops are not permitted in carry-on luggage, Fitzpatrick said special measures have been taken.

Valuables such as laptops are taken from the passenger and carried in a special container for the flight and then returned personally to customers when they get off the plane.

"That seems to be working pretty well," said Fitzpatrick.

For travellers who want more peace of mind, the Colorado-based Otter Products may have a solution.

According to the company's website, the new OtterBox laptop case promises to "protect your laptop like no other case available."

Business has picked up in the last couple days, says company spokesperson Kristin Golliher.

"The response has been incredible," she said. "Our website sales are going crazy right now because people have to have a solution to carry their valuables. When you check your luggage, it's very nerve-racking."

The case costs $169.95 US.

Surprisingly, Ferrari says most of her clients are accepting the fact they may have to get on the plane without their laptop or leave it at home.

"I think more often than not, what the front-line folks are hearing is that 'Look, I'd rather be safe,' " she said. "Most people are fairly resigned to it. There's certainly a sense that we hope it doesn't go on forever."

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jodifla said:
Last I heard, this WAS NOT true in all airports. All luggage is not x-rayed everywhere. Has it changed? It is something they wanted to do, but it wasn't implemented quickly because of expense.

It's my understanding that all baggage is being screened, but there is still a lag in screening air cargo.

In general air cargo gets on where there is room, so the only feasible way of using it as a bomb is by using an altimeter based detonator.

Anne
 
There are TWO PEOPLE that "protect"/ watch the ENTIRE COAST OF THE STATE OF MAINE!!!!

Yet in a Maine airport, there are 8 people just patting you down, probably 45 people on the payroll to check entry into planes.

The terrorists are smart. They have scared us into thinking that a planeful of passengers is the only thing to worry about. They have screwed up air travel for us forever, just like they WANTED to! HELLO! It doesn't make sense to just focus on PLANES PLANES PLANES. pirate:
 
CarolA said:
Oklahoma City Bombing. NOT a Muslim
True... but here's an odd coincidence that I never heard of until recently. If you do a Wikipedia search on Terry Nichols there IS a mention that Nichols made a lot of solo trips to the Philippenes just prior to OKC, to the same city where several Muslim terror groups had major cells. These are the same groups involved in the '93 WTC bombing and the '95 plot to blow up a dozen or so jetliners heading from Asia to the US.

Nichols' wife was from this city, but she never traveled with him back there, so you have to ask yourself why he was there so often. I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but why do we take it on face value that because the OKC bombers were two white guys from the midwest, that they had no connections to Muslim extremists?

Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, who's to say that terrorists abroad haven't aided the ones we have at home? I just don't think we can apply normal logic when we're trying to think like a terrorist!
Not looking to debate, just food for thought.
:stir: ;)
 
snowy76 said:
Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, who's to say that terrorists abroad haven't aided the ones we have at home? I just don't think we can apply normal logic when we're trying to think like a terrorist!
Not looking to debate, just food for thought.
:stir: ;)

I wish I remember where the article was but in the past couple of days there was a news article which reported that Al Queda and other terror groups have reached out to Neo Nazis in the US and Europe. David Duke who was a leader of the KKK has written all sorts of pro-terrorist things lately and he writes a regular column for an Arab newspaper.

Portie
 
tracys2cents said:
There are TWO PEOPLE that "protect"/ watch the ENTIRE COAST OF THE STATE OF MAINE!!!!

I doubt it. You have a big Coast Guard presence up there and all those lobstermen and fishermen are also keeping an eye out. As should you.

Of course if I was a terrorist, I would not bother with Maine's rocky coast, I'd drive over the border from Canada on one of those unguarded logging roads, or just cross on foot or by canoe.

Portie
 














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