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This has been posted on Digital spy, its very interesting, now we do not know if its completely true or not, but parts of it fit in , IE Davros, the library, Donna being the series arch.

If its true is a great end to the series, if not this person should be a writer on Doctor Who. I actually hope its true, well written.

Former PM Harriet Jones, is consumed with rage that the Doctor was responsible for her getting deposed, when she blew the Sycorax from the sky.

Her rage is only fueled, when she learns that the Doctor took no such action against Harold Saxon, who, exactly one year later; gave the order to blow the Racnos from the sky.

Her own investigations unerath the true nature of Harold Saxon, (ie: that he is the Time Lord known as 'The Master') and beleives that the Doctor, allowed him to destroy the Racnos unpunished, was some sort of special TimeLord dispensation.

Having stowed-away on the Valiant, (during the events of 'Last Of The Time Lords'), she has witnessed the entire 'year that never was', and now knows the power that the TimeLords posesses. She lusts for this power, for herself.

She also witnesses the Master reminissing with the Doctor, about the time the Doctor 'Sealed the Medussa Cascade', before the Master finally dies.

She steals the Masters ring from his funeral pire, and is soon overwhelmed by the sound of drums herself. But unlike the derranged Master; Harriet Jones knows immediately what the sound represents - and from where it originates.

An army of unimaginable size exists, beating down the walls between realities, tearing open the fabric of the universe in an attempting to escape thier prison, buried as they have been beneath the Medusa Cascade, imprisoned since the closing moments of the time war; sealed outside of time and space, as even the time lords were aware of it.

They have had countless eons to act, to swell thier numbers into a vast unstoppable force, lead, by Davros - who is using the ring, and Harriet as his weapon outside of the cascade to actualise thier escape.

In Roses' alternate reality, the universe is splintering at a much faster rate. As the head of Torchwood London, she is well aware of exactly what is happening - but has no idea how to stop it. So she, along with her family, friends and a new boyfreind, set about desperately trying to reach the Doctor, through the fractures opening between in realities.

The Doctor & Donna, in the meanwhile have visited a Library, millions of years in the future which documents the events of all past generations lives. Though the Doctor warns her against it, curiosity gets the better of her, and she reads her own life story - which according to the volume, ends when she is / was killed by the Racnos.

She doesn't know what to make of it, as obviously, she didn't die. She went to Egypt and later hooked up with the Doctor. She waits her moment, and then goes to ask the Doctor what it means - just as he completely vanishes in front of her eyes, tron from Reality.

Donna is left utterly alone onboard the Tardis, as it hurtles out-of-control through time and space. She is petrified and doesn't know what to do.

When suddenly, an (un)familiar face appears on screen.

It's Rose. She has finally managed to get a signal through a fracture in reality, but she's too late, as it is after the Doctor has completely vanished.

Donna & Rose stuggle desperately to use the Tardis, to draw the Doctor back on board, using Roses' knowledge from having 'been' the embodiment of the Tardis, and Donna's sketchy 'driving lessons'. Throughout, they are thwarted in thier attempts by different realities colliding and splintering around them. We see a variety of realities play out, including what would have happened to them both, had neither met the Doctor.

Eventually, they manage to get the Doctor back to the Tardis. He had been sucked beneath the Medusa Cascade, by Davros and his new allie, Harriet Jones, who has orchestrated he and his Armys' (the Children Of Time) escape. She has taken her place at Davros' side, partially converted into a Red Dalek, so that they can rule over all realities and create an evil empire, everlasting.

At this point, realities are becoming indistinguishable. Thwarted enemies of old, who have conquored and won in alternate realities, are back in our reality. So too are the Tylers & Mickey.

At this point, Captain Jack & Sarah-Jane turn up, desperate to stop the hell on Earth that is being unleashed.

But Harriet & Davros have one more Ace up thier sleeve. Donna - who has rushed to save Wilf and Sylvia.

Both however are dead at the hands (?) of Daleks when she arrives at her house.

In flashback, we see that During her entrapment by the Racnos, Donna was bitten by a Metebelis spider, which fuses itself to its' Victims spines and becomes invisible, controling the actions of those it posesses. With no Empress to give it's life direction, the spider has simply lain inactive, until the moment an Alternative worlds' Racnos Empress emerged into this reality.

The Racnos Empress is quickly swayed to join forces with Davros & Harriet, in order to double-cross the Doctor from the inside - and rule alongside them.

The Doctor knows that the only means of defeating the fate that awaits them; every universe colliding, and finally imploding, killing everyone from every reality - means reaching the Medusa Cascade.

When the others press him as to what they must do once they reach it, he is evasive - simply insisting that the important thing is that they get there.

Donna, under Racnos control double crosses them at every given opportunity; which the Doctor soon suspects. He manages to partially injur the spider, but knows that to kill it would mean killing Donna too. And this, he wont do. He feels enormous guilt for ruining her life as well, and promises her that he will get her through this one way or other.

Upon reaching the Cascade, the gang are eager to close the rift; but the Doctor suddenly falters.

He breaks down. The only way to do this is by offering it a Human Life. Something which the Doctor hesitantly, and ashamedly admits, he has had to do once before, in order to end the time war.

He confesses that he and Dr. Grace Holloway (his compannion before Rose) threw themselves into the Medussa Cascade. It was meant to kill them both, only the Cascade spat him out. Badly injured, his body regenerated, and he awoke, alone, drifting through space. (We see both Paul McGann and Christopher Eccleston in flashback.)

It took him almost 9 years to find his way back to the Tardis, in which time, he had found the strength to go on.

He looks to everyone who's lives he has touched, and destroyed around him - each of them with so much to live for - yet each of them offering thier own life, in order to seal the rift.

They begin fighting to be the one to do it.Jackie & Sarah Jane stating thier age as the reason. Jack his inability to die otherwise. Finally, one voice rings out over all the others.

Naturally, it's Donnas'. She explains that she doesn't feel she has anything to live for. She's badly injured and doesn't want to spend the next 60 years with half a dead spider hanging off her back. That's she's not a 'hero' like everyone else. She's just an office worker from Chiswick that wanted to travel. She doesn't head an important oranisation that keeps people safe. She doesn't know anything about aliens or time travel or anything important. She now also has no family to return to. The Doctor knows where she's going with this, and tries to object - but she quickly shuts him up, as only Donna can. She thanks the Doctor for giving her the chance to see that world. The Universe. All universes. To experience those things. To do this one thing, in her whole life, that is truely, truely important.

She kisses him tenderly on his tear stained cheek, giving him one last affectionate insult before smiling gently, and then slowly falls backward into the Cascade, sealing it with her death.

All realities are immediately restored to the exact point that Donna was meant to have died at the hand of the Racnos Empress.

Captain Jack & Sarah Jane return to thier lives, and Rose and the Tylers are forever sealed in the alternate universe.

The Doctor is plagued by guilt at the sacrifice that Donna has made for him. He vows that he will make it up to Donna, as she embodied everything he fought for in ever defending the human race. How someone, who thought themselves so very ordinary, could commit an act of such extraordinary selflessness and bravery.

So for Donna, and Donna alone, he will break one of the fundmental rules of the time lords.

He goes back in time, just 24 hours further back and plucks Donna from her time stream, He destroys the Racnos Empress ship in Space and gets Jack to retcon Donna, leaving her with no recollection of what happened, and thus will never try to find him, to, in essence, repeat events.

She'll simply live out her life as she'd always intended, traveling the world and living out the great suburban dream.

The Doctor lands in Donna's street. Wilf, who is sick at home; unable to attend her wedding, see the Tardis land and rushes outside, to find Donna being lead, groggy from Retcon back to the House. He immediately realises the Doctor is an alien, and asks to know what happened.

'Don't worry Wilf', the Doctor says quietly 'She'll never remember a thing.'

He allows Wilf to guide Donna back into the House alone, and returns to the Tardis.

He looks sadly upon Donnas house, and watches for a moment through the window, as Wilf fusses over her and makes her a cup of tea.

He closes the Tardis Door, and it evetually fades from view.
 
OK

This has been posted on Digital spy, its very interesting, now we do not know if its completely true or not, but parts of it fit in , IE Davros, the library, Donna being the series arch.

If its true is a great end to the series, if not this person should be a writer on Doctor Who. I actually hope its true, well written.

Wow.

I hope it's true too. Thanks for sharing.

Leela
 

well, it kept showing the doc's hand in tonights episode, and his daughter has now regenerated.

I know the Master is out there somewhere. Who was it who put on his ring at the end of the last series. Was it Rose or the docs daughter? I can't remember if it showed her fave. But she had nail varnish on.

I don't understand the post about the episodes linking together. Can someone explain a bit more pls.
 
well, it kept showing the doc's hand in tonights episode, and his daughter has now regenerated.

I know the Master is out there somewhere. Who was it who put on his ring at the end of the last series. Was it Rose or the docs daughter? I can't remember if it showed her fave. But she had nail varnish on.

I don't understand the post about the episodes linking together. Can someone explain a bit more pls.

On the 'ring'' side the view is Harriet Jones took it, but I think we have seen the start of another spin off series.

The Jenny-Doctor Adventures.


Great episode.
 
Last night's beat expectations actually! I will admit I thought it was going to be very silly going in (we all said how many minutes till someone wondered where his daughter came from. I did laugh when someone suggested that Capt. Jack would be the mother. :lmao: ) but it turned out to be a nice ep. Lots of action, lots of emotional issues... Alrighty. :teeth:

The one thing I disliked was a lack of Martha. With Donna and the Doctor's Daughter she got pushed to the side. Which was a shame really.. And well, I liked Martha but ever since she's been all "I've got to go" I can't stand her. She's like a Traitor to Doctor Who! :lmao: And with Rose, I'd miss her more if it weren't for the fact she's ditched us for a year. So erm, I hope she comes back in a good way or I'll be looking for a new companion. :lmao:

Is it just me or does the Doctor seem a tad shell shocked? Well, with Rose in another world, Donna (originally) and Martha leaving him, and the Master and Jenny 'dieing' in his arms, who can blame him really.. We shall see.

Agatha Christie ep kinda looks blurgh, but you never know. Might be good.....

Oh and to let you know, I decided to be a good boy and try and not look up spoilers.. So erm, thanks for the big post Emporer Dalek but I er, didn't look. :blush: Sorry!

Well we do have bits of the jigsaw. (I think are you my mummy was a joke only)

  • Rose, (She was trying to warn/talk the Doctor Last night)
  • Where have the Bees all gone.
  • I understand 'Donna' is a link, a series arch.
  • The Doctors hand/ His daughter.
  • 'Family.

Rose seems to be a big issue so I think they may drag everything back eventually. Bees I have noticed - Link to Agatha Christie? Donna could be but she's been in every ep. :lmao: And the Family bit has been noticed a lot. First there's the references to his own family and there's the fact they think that Donna and him are related...

It's just trying to see what's what. By episode 12 I think everyone will know what it is. :lmao:

I enjoyed this week's episode, though I was a bit disappointed that the sontarans wanted an earth full of sontarans - a bit too reminiscent of the cybermen for me.

I agree with Matt - Donna is a useless assistant! She isn't brave like Rose or intelligent like Martha, not sure what she adds to be honest. Glad Martha is along for the ride for a bit longer.

I was very excited to see Rose appearing briefly in the screen :yay:

I am going to take a lot of convincing about the Doctor having a daughter...but will reserve judgement until I've seen the episode.

Leela

Let's be fair, with a chant and everything it er, will happen always. They always have something for the children to mimic now. Kind of a downside of the series. ;)

Glad to see you agree with me on all that. :) I think each character had their own thing. Rose had Bravery, and Martha had Brains, like you said, and I think Donna has Heart. Which of course, makes her boring. :lmao:
 
Last night's beat expectations actually! I will admit I thought it was going to be very silly going in (we all said how many minutes till someone wondered where his daughter came from. I did laugh when someone suggested that Capt. Jack would be the mother. :lmao: ) but it turned out to be a nice ep. Lots of action, lots of emotional issues... Alrighty. :teeth:

The one thing I disliked was a lack of Martha. With Donna and the Doctor's Daughter she got pushed to the side. Which was a shame really.. And well, I liked Martha but ever since she's been all "I've got to go" I can't stand her. She's like a Traitor to Doctor Who! :lmao: And with Rose, I'd miss her more if it weren't for the fact she's ditched us for a year. So erm, I hope she comes back in a good way or I'll be looking for a new companion. :lmao:

Is it just me or does the Doctor seem a tad shell shocked? Well, with Rose in another world, Donna (originally) and Martha leaving him, and the Master and Jenny 'dieing' in his arms, who can blame him really.. We shall see.

Agatha Christie ep kinda looks blurgh, but you never know. Might be good.....

Oh and to let you know, I decided to be a good boy and try and not look up spoilers.. So erm, thanks for the big post Emporer Dalek but I er, didn't look. :blush: Sorry!



Rose seems to be a big issue so I think they may drag everything back eventually. Bees I have noticed - Link to Agatha Christie? Donna could be but she's been in every ep. :lmao: And the Family bit has been noticed a lot. First there's the references to his own family and there's the fact they think that Donna and him are related...

It's just trying to see what's what. By episode 12 I think everyone will know what it is. :lmao:



Let's be fair, with a chant and everything it er, will happen always. They always have something for the children to mimic now. Kind of a downside of the series. ;)

Glad to see you agree with me on all that. :) I think each character had their own thing. Rose had Bravery, and Martha had Brains, like you said, and I think Donna has Heart. Which of course, makes her boring. :lmao:

I have come to like Donna she is logicall whilst everyone else storms ahead gun hoe she reads the clues and this comes out more and more. She (CT) said she is the series link so we have to see how, and also the other clue she goes at the end of the series.
 
My theory:

Rose has the Master's Time Ring, and has gone back to the Time War to affect the outcome to ensure the Doctor's people survive.

This meddling with a 'fixed point in time' is slowly destroying planets, or making them disappear-which has been aluded to in previous episodes.

I'm trying to work out how Donna will affect all this, with the clue we have had "There is something on your back". I assume this is a spider from Metabelis 3' (I think that was the planet they were from) but she has to tie in with the climax in some way.

As for Jenny-I was really cheesed off when she was killed as I thought it was a waste of potential (great actress, fantastic concept) but I was soon cheering when she re-generated and sped off to a potential spin-off series.

Great episode-and I love Donna-she's funny and smart and doesn't fawm over the Doctor-a refreshing change!
 
I didn't like the last episode all that much, just didn't think the story was very interesting, and I found it hard to follow. I was, however, very pleased with the way that the Doctor's daughter was created.

One thing that confused me, why when she regenerated did she not change bodies?

Leela
 
My theory:

Rose has the Master's Time Ring, and has gone back to the Time War to affect the outcome to ensure the Doctor's people survive.

This meddling with a 'fixed point in time' is slowly destroying planets, or making them disappear-which has been aluded to in previous episodes.

I'm trying to work out how Donna will affect all this, with the clue we have had "There is something on your back". I assume this is a spider from Metabelis 3' (I think that was the planet they were from) but she has to tie in with the climax in some way.

As for Jenny-I was really cheesed off when she was killed as I thought it was a waste of potential (great actress, fantastic concept) but I was soon cheering when she re-generated and sped off to a potential spin-off series.

Great episode-and I love Donna-she's funny and smart and doesn't fawm over the Doctor-a refreshing change!
:thumbsup2

Some one has the ring, someone is punching holes in time and the void, and getting their family back out, for revenge

I didn't like the last episode all that much, just didn't think the story was very interesting, and I found it hard to follow. I was, however, very pleased with the way that the Doctor's daughter was created.

One thing that confused me, why when she regenerated did she not change bodies?

Leela

Good point I thought of that, perhaps beacuase she is young good looking, and Peter Davisons daughter they decided to keep her.

PS

After this coming Saturdays 'WHOdunnit'' with / Without Agatha Christie, we will have our own 'Whereisit''. As the mightly 'Wogan' monster decends on Europe the following Saturday, and makes, for one night only, everyone hate the UK, with the tribe called NILPOINT.
 
I didn't like the last episode all that much, just didn't think the story was very interesting, and I found it hard to follow. I was, however, very pleased with the way that the Doctor's daughter was created.

One thing that confused me, why when she regenerated did she not change bodies?

Leela

with the 2 hearts thing,it could have taken a while to kick in.sure in the old series hes been out for long periods before comeing back and not rgenerating
Paulh
 
I didn't like the last episode all that much, just didn't think the story was very interesting, and I found it hard to follow. I was, however, very pleased with the way that the Doctor's daughter was created.

One thing that confused me, why when she regenerated did she not change bodies?

Leela

with the 2 hearts thing,it could have taken a while to kick in.sure in the old series hes been out for long periods before comeing back and not rgenerating
Paulh

I think that because she was 'grown' from him rather than being his biological daughter she is kind of like Captain Jack - she has the ability to come back to life but she doesn't regenerate as such. There was also something about because the Doctor's hand was cut off soon after a regeneration he just grew another one rather than having to regenerate again. Maybe something similar happened with his daughter - one heart was enough to keep her 'alive' while she repaired her second one.
 
I think that because she was 'grown' from him rather than being his biological daughter she is kind of like Captain Jack - she has the ability to come back to life but she doesn't regenerate as such. There was also something about because the Doctor's hand was cut off soon after a regeneration he just grew another one rather than having to regenerate again. Maybe something similar happened with his daughter - one heart was enough to keep her 'alive' while she repaired her second one.

Ah, I hadn't thought of that, interesting theory.

Good point I thought of that, perhaps beacuase she is young good looking, and Peter Davisons daughter they decided to keep her.

I also think that is quite likely!

Leela
 
Maybe its a Lady time lord thing... Do you remember Rommana, she changed and she choose her next body, Mary Tamm To Lalla Ward, who had already appeared in a different part. Rommana walked around the Tardis changing into different human and non human bodies until finally choosing the form of Lalla Ward.
 
And had another idea...

Remember back to the 2006 Christmas special when David Tennant started over, he had his hand chopped off, and grew it back and said it was because he was within 24 hours of his regeneration cycle.

Well Jenny was within 24 hours of being created....
 
Maybe its a Lady time lord thing... Do you remember Rommana, she changed and she choose her next body, Mary Tamm To Lalla Ward, who had already appeared in a different part. Rommana walked around the Tardis changing into different human and non human bodies until finally choosing the form of Lalla Ward.

Funnily enough, I was thinking about that whilst I was watching the episode. So maybe you can choose to have your old body back. I never liked Romana that much until she became Lalla Ward!

Leela
 
Funnily enough, I was thinking about that whilst I was watching the episode. So maybe you can choose to have your old body back. I never liked Romana that much until she became Lalla Ward!

Leela

Agree, and I think Tom baker liked her so much he married her.
 
Great show tonight...more of a comedy than a Who,doneit, really enjoyed it,

Ah well only 14 nights to go, time to fit in DLP inbetween.
 












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