Do you want to complain to Virgin?

I have also not yet flown with a carrier that charged fuel and weekend supplements and I can't possibly imagine why they need to make those charges,

Have you costed any holiday recently? all operators are putting fuel surcharges on, not just to florida but everywhere.

Now, i'd really rather wish i'd never posted this and if someone can tell me how to delete the damn thing i'll be on my way.
please don't - you are as entitled to your opinion as the rest of us, we all say things that the majority don't agree with, theres nothing wrong with a healthy debate. and we're all 'big' enough not to get nasty or personal.
Ditto for us here in Wales.
= from hilary

and us too in the westcountry, we're quite used to a 4 or 5 hour trip to london for any long haul flight, and inevitably an overnight stay, the fact is that we CHOOSE to travel to far flung climes so its just something we have to take on.
 
But if you work out the cost of adding on prebooking seating, extra luggage, transfer etc which other airlines charge there can't be that much in it.
 
Boo Boo Too said:
Is it me or is that a lot of money for a family of four (2 adults and 2 children, I assume?)?

Boo
Boo Boo Too,

Virgin are charging me about £3200 for 2 adults and 2 children, going out the last week and a half of September with car hire and staying at All Star Sports and that's without Disney tickets and Universal tickets.

TCD however, are charging £2800!
 
wilma-bride said:
Paula-Jane, there was always the chance when you posted this that you would get people respond who were more than happy with their experience with Virgin. I agree that, whether or not you've flown with Virgin shouldn't make a difference but, believe me, when it comes to how they deal with your complaint it will. Virgin are not going to mind that they may have lost out on 1 customer because they are a bit more expensive.

This October we are going on our 3rd trip to Orlando (not because we are 'rich' or even well-off but because we choose to save every spare penny we have towards our holiday each year). For the first time, we haven't booked with Virgin. The reason - because we got a quote from Airtours which appeared to be significantly cheaper. As it turns out, by the time we've paid for the extras which come as standard with Virgin (transfers to hotel, increased baggage allowance, Premiair Gold seating for extra legroom and free drinks) there is not a lot of difference between the price we paid and the price with Virgin (and, as it would have been our 3rd trip with Virgin, we would have got a 10% discount plus I would have got FF miles). So, what originally appears to be a saving, in fact probably isn't.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not having a go at you or even suggesting that you shouldn't go ahead and complain - as I said, you do have some valid points, like the prices of the flights from Scotland, just don't be too disappointed if Virgin don't take your complaint as seriously as their 'blurb' suggests they will.

PS If you want to delete your post, you can either click 'edit' and delete the text or you can PM a moderator and ask for it to be removed.
Hi Joh,

Actually I didn't think there would be such a backlash as I was only trying to help the people that WANTED to complain but didn't know how and I quoted for the general consensus of complaints from others and not just my own.

I never complained about the service, how could I, i've never flown with them but I can't see how they can justify the additional supplements, why punish me for going out on a Friday instead of a Thursday, what difference does it make to the airspace in getting from here to there? The fuel supplements alone is costing £280, how can they justify that when the cost of tickets is already more expensive.

Now for something on a tangent.

I feel the same way about ebay and postage costs, in that, I would buy an item from ebay that was say £4 and pay £1 postage but I will not pay £2 for the same item and pay £3 for the postage when I know damn well that the postage (including wrapping) does not justify that cost.

It would bother me less if the additional charges were actually included in the cost of the flights than have it as an added expense and then I wouldn't know or care what the price was made up of, does that make sense?
 

HARRYC said:
hi paula ,
i for one think your comments where spot on...
I question what are virgins motives for offering these flights from glasgow airport for next summer.

especially since they are not exactly offering a comprehensive or competative service.

do they really expect that with the limited number of flights on offer they will be competing with either tcd or mytravel or firstchoice who all fly from glasgow to orlando over the summer months and for a fraction of the cost.

this summer we are flying mytravel on a package booked through portland holidays booked a year in advance we are two weeks pop century flying out on july 6 a party of two adults 1 child for under £2000 .

ive just checked price on virgin for next year and same holiday 1 day later is 533 pounds more....

umm who do you think i would be booking with if i was going next year ....

cheers the noo

harry
Exactly!
 
JohnnySharp2 said:
I agree, this should not happen - so from your perspective I think you have a point.
The price should be the same irrespective of where you fly from.

Overall I am (from my viewpoint) happy with Virgin but I only live an hour or so away from Manchester, I have no reason for complaints but I understand yours to a degree because as others have said you have never actually flown with them yet.
Fair enough.
 
mushumadness said:
well i agree i cancelled a virgin holiday next year when the baggage went down, I should have just booked straight away with tcd (which I tend to use every year) and no I arnt a penny pincher for all those who see tcd as just for cheep skates,

Also even though I dont live in scotland I definatly dont think prices should be so much higher, its not fair at all,
Hi Anna,

No it's not fair is it!
 
Hilary said:
I don't think Virgin are any more perfect than any other airline (some things about them I like, some I don't), but I really don't understand why you are so upset about an airline you've never used :confused3

What you're saying seems to be along the lines of "I really, really want to buy an Omega watch but I can't afford it, so I have to have a Timex. I think everyone else who's unhappy about it should write to Omega to complain, because everyone should be able to afford their prices".

Okay, maybe a crass analogy (and I appreciate your reference to Richard Branson's 'vision' doesn't apply to every company), but if Virgin annoy you that much, I don't understand why you're so desperate to fly with them.

Vote with your feet and spend your holiday money with another airline - it's Virgin's loss more than yours ;)
Funny you should mention Timex, my mum used to work there in the 70's here in Dundee!

Anyway, i'm annoyed by the supplements on top of the 22% increase on prices to fly out of Scotland, this in my mind is not justified!

I want to fly with them because I am a fan of Richard Branson, I like the seat back TV's, my kids will probably have a much better time on Virgin, as will I but I feel as if you get hit for more money (than others) when you fly with them, i.e., here's the flight price, and here's the weekend supplement oh and here's the fuel supplement oh and also the ......
 
gilld said:
I agree. Years ago when we first started going to Florida, we couldn't afford to fly with Virgin and had to go with Britannia - ghastly by the way - now we are able to fly with whichever airline we want and we do choose go with VA.

They're by no means perfect, and over the years standards have declined somewhat, but they provide things we like eg PE seats, the inclusive meal/drinks service, DTD check in and flying into MCO all of which are very important to us - but it does cost us more to have these extras. Either you pay more and go with your choice or you pay less and compromise.

It's a sad fact that providing a service in Scotland would cost more, they would be serving a smaller customer base but would still have to provide the ground crew and services, so obviously it wouldn't be as cost effective for them - and someone has to pay.
Ho do you work out they would be serving a smaller customer base?

Most of us have to fly DOWN to London to get connecting flights to Orlando so how is it you think that the millions of us that go on holiday from Scotland are in any way less than those who live in England, the sad fact is that we HAVE to travel to England to get the flights to Orlando!!
 
Hilary said:
Ditto for us here in Wales.

I may be paying the same price for flights as those who live near Gatwick, but it still costs me more in total because we have the associated costs of getting to/from Gatwick, staying overnight, etc. To be able to fly from Cardiff for the same price as a Gatwick flight would be saving me money overall, so yes please, that would be brilliant - great on the pocket as well as more convenient! ;) It's not likely to happen though :rolleyes: ...

Do I want to complain to Virgin that:
they don't provide flights from Cardiff
if they did fly from Cardiff they'd probably cost more than Gatwick flights
their flights are all too expensive anyway?

I don't think so.

I remember a few years ago there was a similar thread here about the fact that Virgin packages to WDW resorts included park tickets - there were some unhappy posters who wanted to travel with Virgin but had annual passes, so didn't want the park passes. There was a move to complain to Virgin that the passes should be optional.

I'm afraid I couldn't understand the logic then either - if you don't like the product / price / colour / size / etc., don't buy it!
Now Virgin don't include the tickets so something worked!! and I don't see your logic in your statement about going elsewhere for this holiday just because it includes the tickets, no other holiday company includes them and not everyone would want length of stay passes.
 
carolfoy said:
Have you costed any holiday recently? all operators are putting fuel surcharges on, not just to florida but everywhere.


please don't - you are as entitled to your opinion as the rest of us, we all say things that the majority don't agree with, theres nothing wrong with a healthy debate. and we're all 'big' enough not to get nasty or personal. = from hilary

and us too in the westcountry, we're quite used to a 4 or 5 hour trip to london for any long haul flight, and inevitably an overnight stay, the fact is that we CHOOSE to travel to far flung climes so its just something we have to take on.
Hi,

But Virgin charge the most for fuel and i've just been costed again at £320, charge me and DH but not my kids, please!!

Okay it must just be me that feels like i've bene hung, drawn and quartered!!

You're an exception since you live in the corner of the country and it takes forever to get anywhere from Cornwall!!
 
Not exactly true about the fuel cost as BA is now the same at £70 per return flight.

Claire ;)
 
jen_uk said:
But if you work out the cost of adding on prebooking seating, extra luggage, transfer etc which other airlines charge there can't be that much in it.

Extra luggage and transfers not necessary and there is a fair bit in it!
 
pixiepower04 said:
You're an exception since you live in the corner of the country and it takes forever to get anywhere from Cornwall!!

Sorry but having looked at the 2001 census both Scotland and the South West have the same population give or take 140000 out of 5 million. So I cannot see how you can discriminate against someone living in the SW.

Claire ;)
 
pixiepower04 said:
Ho do you work out they would be serving a smaller customer base?

Most of us have to fly DOWN to London to get connecting flights to Orlando so how is it you think that the millions of us that go on holiday from Scotland are in any way less than those who live in England, the sad fact is that we HAVE to travel to England to get the flights to Orlando!!
Because like it or not, the bulk of the UK population lives in the South East of England - I don't by the way so I'm not biased ;)
 
pixiepower04 said:
Yes, but now Virgin is £80 per person!!

Still showing as £70 on the VH website and the last news announcement about an increase was a couple of months back and that was to £70.

Claire ;)
 
Claire L said:
Still showing as £70 on the VH website and the last news announcement about an increase was a couple of months back and that was to £70.

Claire ;)
Hi,

I too was on the VH website and was quoted £80 per person for July 2007!
 
I’m joining the debate now. Some of you may have seen my previous comment on another thread about how Virgin Holidays and Virgin Atlantic were woefully lacking in customer service on our recent ski vacation of a lifetime.

This was a very special - and extremely expensive (even more so than Florida!) - holiday with friends which we had planned, saved and looked forward to for months and months.

I won’t go into all the details (the hotel fire, for example, which was outside Virgin Holiday’s responsibility!), but two reasons I am very disappointed with Virgin Holidays and Virgin Atlantic are as follows:

Virgin Holidays: we tried to book lift passes before our holiday as part of a special deal quoted in their brochure. Because of VH’s gross incompetence this couldn’t happen, but we were assured that we would get ‘even better deals out there because it was late season’. We didn’t; in fact the lift passes for the 7 of us cost us £300 more than we should have paid if VH had supplied them before we travelled. When Imentioned this with their Rep, he completely distanced himself saying he knew of no brochure price (pointed out the page number to him) and he told us we would have ‘to take it up with England when you get back’. His knowledge of the Heavenly, the ski resort we were staying was poor to say the least - and this is someone who had allegedly served that area for 7 seasons!

Virgin Atlantic: On the outbound flight, my poor DH had no entertainment system after a quarter of the flight had elapsed. When the cabin crew couldn’t fix it, the supervisor at least bought him a portable DVD player (if we’d have known, we would have taken our own on the flight rather than packing it - we’ll know better next time!). The movie selection that came with this player was appalling, however, and there was only one movie he fancied watching, so I ended up swapping seats with him every two hours so we could both get some entertainment. On an eleven hour flight, it wasn’t fun, but we thought these things do happen.

The return flight home was a nightmare. The cabin crew were ambivalent at best, downright unhelpful and surly at worst. This included the senior supervisor - my memory of her as we left the plane was standing at the exit, loudly chewing gum bemoaning that her plans for the day had been ruined by the delay getting off the plane due to no walkway available for the plane to dock alongside). I realise this may sound picky, but believe me when I say this was our 16th flight with VA and the absolute worst we have ever experienced. We’ve been lucky enough to have (paid for) to travel PE on a number of flights to both Florida and St Lucia and received a free upgrade to UC.

The inflight entertainment system was down throughout most of the flight and when you could get a movie to work, it was frequently stopping and wouldn’t restart. There was not even any music available, more than half the games weren’t working and when I dared to ask the cabin crew (thinking it was just our little area of the plane), I was snapped at by a most rude cabin crew and told “there’s a problem we can’t fix and Upper Class have all the DVD players since they paid more, so that’s all there is to it”.

I used the online comments address mentioned above to express my disappointment (on 17th April) and to date have not even had the courtesy of a reply. I have also written by snail mail to both VH and VA and would like to point out that the 7 days acknowledgement is also non-existent; I wrote to them both over three weeks ago and haven’t heard a jot.

I have also mentioned the reduction in luggage allowance. 23kg x 2 bags per person is more than sufficient when travelling to somewhere hot and sunny. A ski holiday means your luggage is much heavier and, giving an example, this year there were 7 of us - luckily with the old 32kg per pag allowance - which was ok. However, we each had a suitcase and could just about squeeze these 7 bags plus the seven of us into an 8 seater van. If we each had to take two suitcases, which we would on a ski holiday, there is no way we could fit FOURTEEN cases plus seven people into a car. I have asked Virgin their recommendations on what we are supposed to do!

I’ve said it before and I’m going to say it again. VH and VA have gone downhill over the last three years, they have gotten too big for themselves and have forgotten who has made them big - their loyal customers.

We are in the process of planning our 2008 trip to Florida with our friends and given this year was their first experience of both VH and VA (how embarrassing for us having recommended them both so highly); needless to say we shall be looking elsewhere. So we will definitely be ‘voting with our feet’. Sad it’s come to this, though, because we have always enjoyed Virgin.
 
pixiepower04 said:
Hi,

I too was on the VH website and was quoted £80 per person for July 2007!
It's showing £70 on mine too - strange.
 












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