Do you think Tiger is sick or just a cad?

[Lanshark]

He's a rich, powerful, influential celebrity whose personal integrity is questionable. We raise them up and then watch them crumble. It's no surprise. The "story" is not a new one.

 

[DebbieB]

I have to agree. He made a LOT of money off his clean cut persona. It's hard for me to believe that anybody would be stupid enough to think that one of these girls wouldn't come back to haunt him. Why would he even begin to think that these were loyal, dependable people (and why should they be to him)? Like the one he left the voice message for telling her he needed a "big favor". Yeah, she did him a big favor all right (shared the message all over the national media).

I agree, he made bad choices. He thought cocktail waitresses would be discrete? I just think he's one of a long line of recent cases of famous men blowing their reputation and sometimes jobs by making stupid choices. Like Governor Spitzer and a Call Girl. Call Girl?? He thought he could trust her? Or John Edwards stepping out on his terminally ill wife and allegedly getting another woman pregnant. He didn't use protection?

 

[eliza61]

When did the "other women" begin to get publicist, holding press interviews and hiring lawyers?

Wasn't being the "other women" not a good thing?

jeez

 

[C.Ann]

Haven't kept up with the news on this - and really have no interest in it - but every single time I see one of these threads I keep thinking it says, "Tigger"...

 

[Disney Doll]

See bolded.

#1, and #3 are things that you would have no idea whether or not he's actually doing, so you cannot say he's not doing them. #2 he actually did do. #4 is something he's always done. You asked for a plan. I gave you a plan.
The privacy isn't for him... it is for his family -- victims. Don't they deserve any consideration in your summary? Frankly, it would have been nice of their husband/father gave them the consideration that you expect of the general public, don't you think?

 

[bicker]

When did the "other women" begin to get publicist, holding press interviews and hiring lawyers?

When the media became vicious dogs.

See bolded.

So your perspective is that two wrongs make a right? ... or that these children deserve what is going to happen, because it is their fault for being born into that family?

 

[MAKmom]

It's funny though: At first, he said nothing, rightfully labeling the issue a "private matter", and people complained about that. Now he has expressed "profound apology" and acknowledged he has "behavior and personal failings", and people are complaining about that.

I believe that any system whereby there is no means by which a person can go forward without it (the moving forward) being considered an error is a system without integrity. I'm surely not excusing what Woods may have done in the past, but if people do not have a very clear picture of what he should do now, then there is no legitimacy to criticizing anything other than what he did before -- there is no legitimacy to criticizing what he's doing now if people cannot outline a reasonable summary of what he should be doing now instead of what he is doing (acknowledging that he has failings, and apologizing).

He is in famous athlete billionaire "time out" right now. He said he was sorry but he still has to stay on the "naughty seat ". I think 1 month for each woman is fair.

OP I think he has a personality disorder.

 

[bicker]

I think there is a bit of that going on MAKmom -- essentially our tabloid culture has given the public this impression that when public figures do something wrong that that makes it fair game to take one's own frustrations out on the public figure for a month or two -- of course without much regard whatsoever to the impact on two children of seeing such value-less activity directed at their father.

And that's still the most important thing: Attacking Woods does nothing constructive, does nothing positive, serves no noble purpose, achieves no remediation nor justice. The most significant impact is that it potentially harms his children. I'm sure the media is proud of that type of achievement.

 

[MAKmom]

I think there is a bit of that going on MAKmom -- essentially our tabloid culture has given the public this impression that when public figures do something wrong that that makes it fair game to take one's own frustrations out on the public figure for a month or two -- of course without much regard whatsoever to the impact on two children of seeing such value-less activity directed at their father.

And that's still the most important thing: Attacking Woods does nothing constructive, does nothing positive, serves no noble purpose, achieves no remediation nor justice. The most significant impact is that it potentially harms his children. I'm sure the media is proud of that type of achievement.

I'm not sure if nothing constructive or positive will come out of this. It is like being shunned or kicked out of the tribe.

When you do something that is considered awful according to the social norm you are ruined. That is what is going on here. His level of super stardom & the shock of it being him is in proportion to the attention it is receiving.

 

[Disney Doll]

When the media became vicious dogs.So your perspective is that two wrongs make a right? ... or that these children deserve what is going to happen, because it is their fault for being born into that family?

No, don't put words into my mouth.

My perspective is that their FATHER should have been worrying about them before he went catting around. And unfortuanately, children of celebrities do have a harder life in many ways, especially when their celebrity parent is a stupid idiot. Thankfully, thwey seem to have a mother who has a pretty good head on her shoulders for everything other than her choice i men. And my guess is that her NEXT choice will be a lot better than her CURRENT choice.

Nice try bicker...read my posts.

 

[declansdad]

He's a man, a man who has the ability and the power to do with this libido whatever he can. Imagine a kid in a candy store with an unlimited income.

He's not new, special or unique. He just got caught.

I agree with what you said but I don't feel the to include that he is a man. There are many female celebrities that have done the same thing.


I also don't believe that a celebrity gives up the right to privacy simply because they are a celebrity. So what if they get paid to endorse products, that doesn't give the general public the right to know about everything they do.

I have always believed Tiger was a fantastic golfer but an arrogant and perhaps a mean person. Other than that, I could care less what he does, unless it impact me.

 

[ladycollector]

Sick? don't most guys dream of being a rock star or famous athlete for two main reasons......$$$$, and having women throwing themselves at them by the hundreds?

Having the chance, who knows how many men would act the same way.

One thing I don't get. Why those who want that kind of life get married?

Yes, most men do want that. And that's fine with me! The difference is, if you are able to and going to make it a reality DON'T GET MARRIED and especially bring babies into the situation! He took those vows. I find the whole thing sick.

So my answer, Tiger Woods is a sick, selfish, cad.

 

[bicker]

I'm not sure if nothing constructive or positive will come out of this. It is like being shunned or kicked out of the tribe.

A wholly useless artifact as far as I'm concerned. Love will heal the world, not shunning, not exclusion.

When you do something that is considered awful according to the social norm you are ruined.

And that perspective incentivizes nothing other than "nothing to lose" reactions.

 

[bicker]

No, don't put words into my mouth.

Fair enough.

My perspective is that their FATHER should have been worrying about them before he went catting around.

I'm not talking to their father. I'm talking to people on the Tiger Woods attack bandwagon. Disney Doll: What responsibility do you feel such people have, as mature adults, with regard to the impact of their actions on two young children?

And unfortuanately, children of celebrities do have a harder life in many ways, especially when their celebrity parent is a stupid idiot.

Do you personally feel that that that justifies mature adults in society exacerbating the negative impact on those young children?

Nice try bicker...read my posts.

Nice try Disney Doll trying to rationalize the indefensible behavior of those folks on the attack. :shrug:

 

[MAKmom]

A wholly useless artifact as far as I'm concerned. Love will heal the world, not shunning, not exclusion.

And that perspective incentivizes nothing other than "nothing to lose" reactions.

Our society used to protect the guilty in cases like this. Reporters kept quite about affairs. We did not talk about these type of things.

I feel that woman who were deceived by the men they loved were sent a message that it was ok. If you want an open marriage I do not care but I do not like seeing innocent woman/men tricked into or brainwashed to accept it.

We are prudes in America but we will also forgive you for almost anything.

Love will heal but it does not teach a child how to be socially acceptable.

 

[bicker]

Love will heal but it does not teach a child how to be socially acceptable.

Love teaches better than hate.

 

[MinnieTink]

I would use a different word than "cad" but we're on the Dis. I don't think lack of self control is an illness. Maybe some kind of severe immaturity, arrested development, maybe, but a sickness, no.

Saying "he's a man" is an insult to many other men who do walk the line.

 

[declansdad]

I would use a different word than "cad" but we're on the Dis. I don't think lack of self control is an illness. Maybe some kind of severe immaturity, arrested development, maybe, but a sickness, no.

Saying "he's a man" is an insult to many other men who do walk the line.

 

[Hillbeans]

I have just such a hard time wrapping my mind around a Billionaire who thinks he can trust 11 different cocktail waitress/hostess/actors to keep a secret about their affairs with him...and now the first one, Rachel U is all upset according to TMZ because she needs to get tested for STD's because she didn't use protection with him and heard his other ladies didn't either. Stupidity all around.

 

[MAKmom]

Love teaches better than hate.

I agree