I'm not sure if I buy this. I'm no where near a Disney defender or apologist but your post is acting like DVC members and constant Disney goers found a loophole in Disney's system by bypassing the expensive parts and creating an affordable vacation. Disney PROVIDED these alternative options for frequent visitors to make your vacations affordable while staying on-site. They even have t.v. shows and DVD's on how to make your trip more affordable. It's not the loyal guests vs. the one time visitors. I know many loyal guests (myself included) who spend alot of money each time they go and I know people who went one time on a budget because they wanted to experience the magic without spending tons of money. Like I said before, an inexpensive vacation to Disney 10-15 years ago was unheard of in many parts of America. Now Disney has provided more options for alot of other families to go, many of which are DVC members because it's more attractive and affordable. Even the discounts Disney hands out would be unheard of years ago. Prices go up everywhere and it's great you cook and save your money on vacation, but it's certainly not the norm with every loyal disney goer.
Not sure I'm following...I didn't say that we as loyal guests found any loopholes. I said as regular guests, we know how to plan out vacations getting the most bang for our buck, whereas first timers won't necessarily know how to access this info. Most people I meet who are asking about Disney have no idea about codes, Free Dining or the like, until I, as a repeat visitor tell them. Do you really believe that Disney doesn't know this? Why do you think you have to ask to receive a discount pin or you must give them the promo code at time of booking? Sure there are more discounts over the past few years, but none of those are a given, so I firmly expect those to dry up soon. Also, unless you know how to access those codes, you aren't going to qualify for that discount. So, they are not just given away by Disney, as guests have to do a bit of work (granted, not much if they visit the website) in order to secure them.
I firmly believe that Disney is banking on first timers or only timers to spend a certain amount of money just on things like: buying bottled water in parks at 2.50 a pop (we freeze ours in our villa that we purchased at Costco and bring into parks), splurging on souveniers and adding the DP without any second thought. I, as a regular don't do any of those things because they cost me more money. So, it's no loophole, but in being a regular guest, I have a certain amount of background knowledge and experience that most first timers or once in a lifetimers just don't have. This knowledge means more money in my pocket, but less in Disney's.
So, am I saying it's loyal guests vs first timers as a bad thing? Nope! I firmly believe though that in all of Disney's financial projections, they have accounted for this. Just come on the DVC boards, and you'll hear lots from members who have issues at DVC, but don't have the same issues when paying cash, or disappearing perks, for example. There is something to be said about loyalty, but it goes both ways. Sure, Disney already has my money for accommodations, but that is all I have to give them. I don't have to step foot into a park, eat their food, nor purchase their souveniers for the next 50 years while I'm a DVC member, whereas first timers or once in a lifetimers don't have that luxury. Most of them stay on-site, and therefore, rely on Disney transport, so they can't go off-site to eat, nor due to their accommodations, can they cook in their villa like I can. Also, if they are at Disney, I'm pretty sure they are going to need park tickets too. So, my point is that those guests surely equal more money into Disney's pockets per trip than a family like mine. There is no loophole at all...it is what it is.
So, do I still keep going back to Disney? Right now, yes. But, we only go 1x per year, and we use lots of tricks to keep our costs down. But, if at such time that I feel my DVC purchase has been downgraded in regards to the accommodations (the point re-allocations did hit us hard 2 years in a row, which means that my DVC vacations actually cost more than when I bought in '04), and in combination with that, the parks are not satisfactory (would have to be something major), then I would contemplate selling. Am I at that point now? No, but I, and many others still have the right, as loyal guests especially, to keep this discussion going. Once people become complacent, then real trouble sets in. Telling people to sell DVC, or, to stop complaining, is very irresponsible, IMHO. Sure, some people like complaining for the sake of complaining, but when you have very loyal guests who have stayed in every resort, eaten in every restaurant, and spent thousands of hours in the parks, I believe that you should listen to those people and seriously consider everything that they have to say, as they are the most loyal fans. And with loyalty, comes a duty to constantly assess and evaluate the product, as that is what will make that product better for all future guests.
Tiger
