Do prices just look like they are climbing because I am finally seriously looking?

pmaurer74

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I was surprised to see BCV going for over $100 pp but I figured it was because they were small contracts and loaded. I just saw one for $115 pp.... is this because of Poly and Aulani being the only DVCs offered right now? or is it because I am paying more attention to prices? I have been watching the resale market for 5 years. I saw a great deal on a contract today and I was very tempted but it was not the home resort I wanted.
 
Prices have risen over the past 6 months that I have been seeing. It is hard to understand why, but here are some patterns I have seen:

1> ROFR is down (gauging from several threads within this forum and other information on the OCC site)
2> Disney has been taking an obscene amount of time in ROFR and Estoppel. This may have caused a backlog in demand
3> Disney last year bumped up their prices for older resorts, which may have bumped up the ask in resale. This is my speculation only.
4> Rental market is strong and people understand they can recoup unused points for cash to level out their annual dues.

My personal advise would be to take a contract that you like. I took two this year and LOVE my options. I already booked within the 7 month window at AKL and VGF.
 
I'm having the same problem. DH, who barely knows what DVC is thinks things may go down after the summer season is over since people won't be thinking about vacation as much. I'm hoping it goes back down when people have to think about paying annual dues. One can only hope.
 
I think the brokers set expectation of the "deal"getting done in 60 days (in reality takes 90). With that in mind, people who would want to buy DVC from the perspective of vacationing in this year, would have been a couple of months ago. Prices have gone up since then. I am sure there will be some price swings, but I think (again, just my personal thoughts) that the floor prices on average will stay at these levels.
I am a first time DVC buyer and bought at the beginning of this year. I have no experience in this and may have incorrect assessments, so please take my statements lightly and not to make a financial decision of your own :).
But..... if you decide to buy in at any time and are successful, then you have my :welcome: in advance.
 
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I think there are a lot of variable at play right now. For us, it was being priced out of our favorite resorts. Even with the 30% off during the dfall, they were out of our reach. We moved from the deluxe world to the moderate world (don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Riverside). Thru DVC, we can now go back to our favs.

Add to that the expansion of the monorail resorts, and the upcoming expansion at the Wilderness, and (possibly) Beach Club - high probability we'll see prices continue to go up. Folks on the fence may be jumping in now before the prices get even higher.
These are the two factors that ultimately pushed us.
 
Prices have risen over the past 6 months that I have been seeing. It is hard to understand why, but here are some patterns I have seen:

1> ROFR is down (gauging from several threads within this forum and other information on the OCC site)
2> Disney has been taking an obscene amount of time in ROFR and Estoppel. This may have caused a backlog in demand
3> Disney last year bumped up their prices for older resorts, which may have bumped up the ask in resale. This is my speculation only.
4> Rental market is strong and people understand they can recoup unused points for cash to level out their annual dues.

My personal advise would be to take a contract that you like. I took two this year and LOVE my options. I already booked within the 7 month window at AKL and VGF.

1. I think ROFR is down because the prices are up. I'm sure that DVC was making a lot of money buying contracts back at $90 and reselling them at $150. But not so much, when they are buying back at $120.
2. I think that ROFR and Estoppel times are longer because the resale contracts are moving at a lightning rate. I see very few contracts stay on the market for more than a few weeks. Last year when contracts were plentiful and demand low, Disney was turning and burning these within a couple of weeks.
3. I think you really are correct here. $170 pp is an insane amount to pay for the contracts. Last year when I was on the Disney Wonder I was offered what amounted to $150 pp. Now, I was prepared to pay 120 or even 130 but $150! I told the guide "no thanks!" I am sure that the high Disney prices have a lot of people looking seriously at resale.
4. The rental market has been there for years, and while the return to owners for rentals has increased lately, I really don't think that it is enough to have driven prices up.

In my opinion, I think that one needs to look at the properties that are jumping up to see the reason:

1. BLT. This property is seeing the benefit of the Fact that Disney has limited the options on the Monorail circle. GFV is small, expensive (both per point and in number of points for reservation) and is disappointingly difficult for owners to get studios. The Poly ONLY has Studios, so owners there have no other option but to go to GFV or BLT for larger rooms. This will ultimately make being an owner at BLT VERY important as BLT owners will see a lot of competition at 7 mos from the other monorail resorts. It stands to reason that this resort has shot up in price.
2. HHI and VB: Hardly any change here. If DVC were up across the board you'd expect to see these up as well.
3. BCV and BWV: This is interesting. BCV has increased in price whereas BWV really hasn't very much. BCV is being renovated and is always very popular. BWV is higher than most because of the proximity to Epcot but I've really not seen the large jump in price that I've seen elsewhere.
4. GCV and Aulani: Like HHI and VB, little to no price increase over the past 8 months. It stays high because of demand. But it got no bump from the recent DVC price increase. As far as Aulani goes, I've actually seen prices soften there a bit. Last October it was going for a hair over $100 pp and now is usually had for around $99.
5. SSR and OKW: Now these two saw a bump in their price. You wouldn't think so because of the large number of contracts that are up for sale at these locations but they did see a modest $10 pp price bump. I really think that this is a direct result of Disney Springs. People are getting excited about the completion of the DTD area and find these resorts not quite so unpalatable anymore. (perception only, I actually believe that these resorts are pretty cool with the amenities that they provide)
6. VWL: This resort did not see the bump in price even though the nearby DVC resorts did AND there is now news of an addition to this resort. But still no increase. It's not on the monorail so it didn't get the Poly BUST Boost.
7. AKV: perhaps the most telling reason that I see the higher prices as more of a location issue and not so much as a DVC-wide phenomenon is that AKV didn't really go up by that much with the recent hike in average DVC resale price. Nothing going on there so there's not much to drive prices up. It's a lovely resort with amenities that cannot be found elsewhere, but still did not jump in price over the last 8 months.

There's not doubt that there are fewer properties on the market right now but not all of the properties are seeing the supply vs demand price boost and I think that the boost is driven more on what is going on at the properties rather than on what DVC is doing to their prices.
 
1. I think ROFR is down because the prices are up. I'm sure that DVC was making a lot of money buying contracts back at $90 and reselling them at $150. But not so much, when they are buying back at $120.
2. I think that ROFR and Estoppel times are longer because the resale contracts are moving at a lightning rate. I see very few contracts stay on the market for more than a few weeks. Last year when contracts were plentiful and demand low, Disney was turning and burning these within a couple of weeks.
3. I think you really are correct here. $170 pp is an insane amount to pay for the contracts. Last year when I was on the Disney Wonder I was offered what amounted to $150 pp. Now, I was prepared to pay 120 or even 130 but $150! I told the guide "no thanks!" I am sure that the high Disney prices have a lot of people looking seriously at resale.
4. The rental market has been there for years, and while the return to owners for rentals has increased lately, I really don't think that it is enough to have driven prices up.

In my opinion, I think that one needs to look at the properties that are jumping up to see the reason:

1. BLT. This property is seeing the benefit of the Fact that Disney has limited the options on the Monorail circle. GFV is small, expensive (both per point and in number of points for reservation) and is disappointingly difficult for owners to get studios. The Poly ONLY has Studios, so owners there have no other option but to go to GFV or BLT for larger rooms. This will ultimately make being an owner at BLT VERY important as BLT owners will see a lot of competition at 7 mos from the other monorail resorts. It stands to reason that this resort has shot up in price.
2. HHI and VB: Hardly any change here. If DVC were up across the board you'd expect to see these up as well.
3. BCV and BWV: This is interesting. BCV has increased in price whereas BWV really hasn't very much. BCV is being renovated and is always very popular. BWV is higher than most because of the proximity to Epcot but I've really not seen the large jump in price that I've seen elsewhere.
4. GCV and Aulani: Like HHI and VB, little to no price increase over the past 8 months. It stays high because of demand. But it got no bump from the recent DVC price increase. As far as Aulani goes, I've actually seen prices soften there a bit. Last October it was going for a hair over $100 pp and now is usually had for around $99.
5. SSR and OKW: Now these two saw a bump in their price. You wouldn't think so because of the large number of contracts that are up for sale at these locations but they did see a modest $10 pp price bump. I really think that this is a direct result of Disney Springs. People are getting excited about the completion of the DTD area and find these resorts not quite so unpalatable anymore. (perception only, I actually believe that these resorts are pretty cool with the amenities that they provide)
6. VWL: This resort did not see the bump in price even though the nearby DVC resorts did AND there is now news of an addition to this resort. But still no increase. It's not on the monorail so it didn't get the Poly BUST Boost.
7. AKV: perhaps the most telling reason that I see the higher prices as more of a location issue and not so much as a DVC-wide phenomenon is that AKV didn't really go up by that much with the recent hike in average DVC resale price. Nothing going on there so there's not much to drive prices up. It's a lovely resort with amenities that cannot be found elsewhere, but still did not jump in price over the last 8 months.

There's not doubt that there are fewer properties on the market right now but not all of the properties are seeing the supply vs demand price boost and I think that the boost is driven more on what is going on at the properties rather than on what DVC is doing to their prices.

Thank you for all of this information. What do you think will likely happen to the pricing for WLV... this is where are likely to buy and are taking a chance on what is going to happen with the expansion, we really love this resort and consider it "home".
 
My two cents: With the addition of the converted room studios (and perhapse Concerge level?) plus the new cabins, pool, etc - I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a real jump in the price. I think there are a lot of non-DVC folks out there who will buy in at the high price.
I think DVC folks are watching the Poly really carefully to see what the fall out over time will be like (I know we are). While I don't think they would hike the price quite as high (not on the monorail), but I'm sure the general pricing will get a real jump.:crazy2:
 
I think that you are right. The announcement was just made about the VWL addition so there's really not been enough time for it to really make a difference. But if they manage to excite people with the changes, then we'll see a jump in resale values. This may be a great alternative for people who want a close location but don't want to pay the high prices of the monorail resorts. That alone might cause a creep in prices. I know that I stopped seriously looking at BLT.
 
Don't forget that they just closed the waiting list to buy BCV direct, so that would explain the recent jump in resale pricing!
 
I was surprised to see BCV going for over $100 pp but I figured it was because they were small contracts and loaded. I just saw one for $115 pp.... is this because of Poly and Aulani being the only DVCs offered right now? or is it because I am paying more attention to prices? I have been watching the resale market for 5 years. I saw a great deal on a contract today and I was very tempted but it was not the home resort I wanted.

You have been watching DVC resales for 5 years (2010 was near the bottom of the market) and now resale prices are the highest point ever.

Does it make you feel like this?

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You have been watching DVC resales for 5 years (2010 was near the bottom of the market) and now resale prices are the highest point ever.

Does it make you feel like this?

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yes I know... I could not afford it then but I can now and I have been stalking the resale sites and wish I had been looking more seriously a few months ago.
 
yes I know... I could not afford it then but I can now and I have been stalking the resale sites and wish I had been looking more seriously a few months ago.

Yeah I talked my wife into it in October. Glad I did. She wanted to wait a while.
 
We bought a 252 point BCV contract a year ago for $84/point. (Was listed at $86.)

We're very happy.

I get the timeshare store email and look to see trends. I've not seen a new BCV contract in awhile.
 
Threads like this make me glad I financed in 1996, despite all the gloom and doom from naysayers about financing a luxury item. What I paid is a pittance compared to what these things are going for now.
 
Threads like this make me glad I financed in 1996, despite all the gloom and doom from naysayers about financing a luxury item. What I paid is a pittance compared to what these things are going for now.
There a lot to be said for that.
 
I bought my BCV 250 points, loaded contract in 2012 for $68 per point with seller paying annual maintenance and half closing costs. I am now looking to possibly buy another resale contract and I won't find anything even close to this...I can't believe it. I could sell my current contract for a profit right now. It's crazy how much it has gone up in a short period of time.
 
Have to say with re-sale selling so high we're seriously considering listing our mostly stripped BLT. We're dragging our feet kinda hoping re-sale will go back down but if it's still this high in 2016 it will be winging it's way to another happy DVC'er. If the BC WL comes thru then I think that will be pretty much a done deal.
 















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