Do other parents really complain?

[FlightlessDuck]

Today is game day at dd's high school. First game and its a home game. Right now they are listening to music and dancing around waiting for the pep rally to start.

It's a interesting cultural difference. My children's district doesn't have uniforms, but they have a dress code. I have no idea if cheerleaders wear their uniforms on game day (I should ask). As far as I know, our cheerleaders do not compete.

I also believe they only have one pep rally during the football season, the Thursday before Homecoming.

Of course, this week, our football game is tomorrow. And school is closed for Labor Day weekend.

 

[mhsjax]

It's a interesting cultural difference. My children's district doesn't have uniforms, but they have a dress code. I have no idea if cheerleaders wear their uniforms on game day (I should ask). As far as I know, our cheerleaders do not compete.

I also believe they only have one pep rally during the football season, the Thursday before Homecoming.

Of course, this week, our football game is tomorrow. And school is closed for Labor Day weekend.

I know with my area, it is an ear difference. I am in the same general area and from what I understand most schools don't do pep rallies except on Home coming. That is sad, it one of the things that all the students looked forward to.

 

[mamacatnv]

I think this hits the nail on the head. All the emphasis on making everything "fair" for everyone has gotten out of control. Lots of youth league sports don't even keep score anymore because someone might get upset if they lose. Life is inherently unfair and there are in fact winners and losers. Not everyone makes the team. Kids are not taught how to deal with it anymore because everyone around them is too busy trying to "fix it" for them. When we were kids, we tried out for sports and not everyone made the little league team. We kept score, and losing stinks so we tried to do better next time. Now, everyone wins and no one learns to lose geacefully and use that as motivation to try harder.

I asked dd tonight if any of the non-cheerleaders had an issue with the girls wearing their uniforms. You would have thought I had grown two extra heads! "why would we? that's part of being a cheerleader" was her answer.

Like I said, each sport or activity here gets to wear something that is not in dress code on the day of their event/game/whatever. These girls work hard and give up a lot to be the cheer squad that they are, they should be able to wear their uniform just like any body else in the school.

Tomorrow is our first game and the cheerleaders will shine just as bright as the guys on the field. Cheer isn't just about cheering for football anymore.

This thread was our dinner topic last night - DD, a Freshman had the same response. She saw no issue with the cheer outfits being warn to school complete with the mini skirts. She stated that she felt the cheerleaders had earned that privilege and that no one she knew had an issue with it. Today is game day, I'm curious to learn what our cheerleaders get to wear in class.

The school, not the girls, but the SCHOOL, approves the uniform. This isn't a girl going out and purchasing a skirt. These uniforms aren't cheap either and again, SCHOOL selects the uniform. If they have a problem with it, then don't select it. so yo make the team, you try on the SCHOOL approved uniform and purchase it, then you are told it doesn't align with school dress code.

So in answer to your question I think cheerleaders should be allowed to wear the school approved uniform on game days. The one that you purchased because the SCHOOL approve it for use.

Miley Cyrus had her undergarments on!!!

Since when are undergarments considered appropriate cover at school, ever.

Do CheerMoms who support their daughters wearing their micro mini's all day at school just truly not see the inappropriate... or are they really supporting their daughter flitting a round all day flashing their halfway covered body parts, when not engaging in an athletic activity that requires limited athletic type clothing...

Don't think we will get an honest answer back on that one!!!!

Hey, how about track... Lets let them wear their micro tanks and micro shorts...
Anyone noticed what track competitors are running in these days!!! Anyone see the Olympics.....

Hey, why not let swim team come to school in their speedos!!!!
The school obviously approved these too...
So, Yey Rahhhhh..... You made the team, you have a body that you assume everybody else is just SO jealous of... so Yey!!!!

OMGosh, your stereotyping is so off the mark. I don't understand how you can write things like this and not see how inappropriate your comments are

why is it ok for the gils to wear this and flit around all night at the game. If they don't they are in trouble. Double standard. Swim team don't go out and cheer on game days, it they did, then more power to them.

sorry but since when does showing leg constitute half covered bodies. Did you people not have cheerleaders in your school. Where is the outrage when they are flipping upside down of pulling stunts in a pyramid in front of everyone, their certainly shows way more body parts than walking to and from class. No one said anything about being jealous of a body, where in the world did you get that. UPTIGHT people, that is what I am seeing.

By all the sarcasm, I can say without a doubt, that is is all cheerleader hate or envy.

Ok so I will spell it out for you. I guess that is what I have to do. No,not for everyone, but the cheerleaders should. Double standard, YEP. Too flippin bad. These girls had to purchase these uniforms, they wear them during school sanctioned events, then they are good enough to wear to school on game day. Should these same girls be allowed to wear mini's of their own choosing on other days NOPE. But hey life isn't fair, DEAL WITH IT.

Did I answer your question? I will state my answer again. Cheerleaders should 100% be allowed to wear the uniform on game day, all other skirts not allowed.

In this scenario, I have no issue with the double standard and yes, I do think that some things are based on the situation at hand and the rules should be bent accordingly.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Funny....
Everything just described in that post would MEET dress code here.
NO PROBLEM.
So, where those comments are coming from, and how they apply to the cheerleaders at the school in question is really just beyond me?

You know a thread is crossing over into the ridiculous when people have to go to such extremes to try to justify their positions!!!!

Okay, so those who say that all dress code should be enforced uniformly and fair, without double standards have now been called... among other things....

JEALOUS.... (speaking for myself here, ummmm, NOT)
non-FEMINEST... (again, most certainly NOT)
and PRUDE... (OMG, I don't even have a problem with Miley Cyrus at the VMA's!, nope... not a prude here... )

I would say that almost every single school has a dress code.....
Some more strict and limiting than others...
If one wants to complain about having a dress code... FINE... Have at it... But, that IS a completely different argument, isn't it.

A school deciding on a dress code, and making the determination that the cheerleader's are not just SO special, and therefore should not be allowed to attend classes all day, prancing around flashing their ta-ta's and bits.... a completely totally and different issue.

The only people I see complaining, AT ALL, are those ohhh-so-special and entitled attention seeking cheerleaders and their 'cheer-moms'.

 

[U2_rocks!]

Our schools like to keep a "serious, disciplined learning environment" most of the time, which is one reason for uniforms (another reason being that the unique uniform for each school, with crest etc., promotes school spirit every day). But on certain days of the year the uniform goes out the window. Those days are not about serious learning, they are about sports or field trips to locations that don't suit the uniform etc. Those sorts of days are fine, and I would fully support sports uniforms (cheerleaders included) on those days. But on normal days the schools have a culture they want to maintain, and having cheerleaders in micro mini skirted uniforms (or short shorts) is counter to that. Of course, we have no football teams, and cheerleaders aren't at every school. We have soccer and cricket, and those don't really have cheerleaders. The cheerleader culture here has really only grown as a fun or competition sport, not as a real "let's cheer on the team" thing.

 

[Wishing on a star]

OMGosh, your stereotyping is so off the mark. I don't understand how you can write things like this and not see how inappropriate your comments are .

Then, you really are missing something here....
Yes, I was being 'flip.
But, I was only taking the EXACT words used by those who support the micro-mini's / cheerleaders, right here on this thread... and quoting them back at them...

'But they MADE the team.. they should be special/honored'
'But, everyone else just must be jealous'...
Etc... Etc...

There was NO unwarranted stereotyping going on here.
Just quoting back the things that others have said to defend their viewpoint.

And, yes, clearly you are right...
Those statements WERE, and still are, inappropriate.

Funny how they only seem inappropriate when coming from somebody with an opposing viewpoint!!!

 

[Sorsha]

Okay, so those who say that all dress code should be enforced uniformly and fair, without double standards have now been called... among other things....

JEALOUS.... (speaking for myself here, ummmm, NOT)
non-FEMINEST... (again, most certainly NOT)
and PRUDE... (OMG, I don't even have a problem with Miley Cyrus at the VMA's!, nope... not a prude here... )

I would say that almost every single school has a dress code.....
Some more strict and limiting than others...
If one wants to complain about having a dress code... FINE... Have at it... But, that IS a completely different argument, isn't it.

A school deciding on a dress code, and making the determination that the cheerleader's are not just SO special, and therefore should not be allowed to attend classes all day, prancing around flashing their ta-ta's and bits.... a completely totally and different issue.

The only people I see complaining, AT ALL, are those ohhh-so-special and entitled attention seeking cheerleaders and their 'cheer-moms'.

OK, first of all - if you are referring to my post (I assume you are, my apologies if you aren't), let me set a few things straight.

I wasn't calling you a prude, nor anyone else in particular. I was saying that our society, in general, is WAY too prudish, and this would never even be an issue if we would just lighten up and stop making people's Naughty Bits a source of shame. That said I think high school dress codes are WAY too strict and ought to be changed FOR EVERYONE.

Second, I didn't say you weren't a feminist, and I am happy that you are. The world could use more of us. I, however (and the Dis can attest to this) am pretty radical in all my beliefs - feminism, environmentalism, pacifism, left-leaning almost to the point of socialism, agnosticism, and a whole lot of other -isms that we can't talk about on the Dis without getting points. I was simply giving a frame of reference as to why I abhor restricting what girls can wear in general.

And jealous - OK, I will take you at your word. I am not jealous of them either. I wasn't a cheerleader, none of my kids are. BUT when you get your knickers in a knot and post things like "cheerleader's are not just SO special, and therefore should not be allowed to attend classes all day, prancing around flashing their ta-ta's and bits.... " it just sort of comes off like Sour Grapes. I am sure you don't mean it to sound that way, but it does.

Anyhow, now, thanks to an enlightening discussion, I can maybe add another -ism to my list... anti-dress-codeism?

 

[luvsJack]

Funny....
Everything just described in that post would MEET dress code here.
NO PROBLEM.
So, where those comments are coming from, and how they apply to the cheerleaders at the school in question is really just beyond me?

You know a thread is crossing over into the ridiculous when people have to go to such extremes to try to justify their positions!!!!

Okay, so those who say that all dress code should be enforced uniformly and fair, without double standards have now been called... among other things....

JEALOUS.... (speaking for myself here, ummmm, NOT)
non-FEMINEST... (again, most certainly NOT)
and PRUDE... (OMG, I don't even have a problem with Miley Cyrus at the VMA's!, nope... not a prude here... )

I would say that almost every single school has a dress code.....
Some more strict and limiting than others...
If one wants to complain about having a dress code... FINE... Have at it... But, that IS a completely different argument, isn't it.

A school deciding on a dress code, and making the determination that the cheerleader's are not just SO special, and therefore should not be allowed to attend classes all day, prancing around flashing their ta-ta's and bits.... a completely totally and different issue.

The only people I see complaining, AT ALL, are those ohhh-so-special and entitled attention seeking cheerleaders and their 'cheer-moms'.

My point was that it doesn't meet dress code HERE. My kid doesn't go to school in your area so how on earth would I know what your dress code is?

The article said the uniform does not meet dress code. The cheer uniforms at dd's school do not meet dress code. (see the similarity--nothing outrageous there) The jeans and t-shirt that dd has on today does not meet dress code nor does the hair color her senior friend has in his hair today. See, it all goes back to dress code.

Obviously there is a double standard today as dd can NOT wear maroon hair color in her hair.

DD cannot wear a short skirt today so there is another double standard. And some kids were not allowed to wear jeans; yet another one.

OUR dress code states (to put it simply) polo shirts in school colors, khaki or black uniform pants or shorts or a skort, hoodie or jacket in school colors, brown or black belt (uh oh, dd's is white today!), matching socks, and shoes--no more than three colors on the shoes with the main color being one of the school colors.

We don't know the full dress code for the school in the op. It may be like your schools or it may be like mine. We each can only use the examples from OUR school. And besides, a rule is a rule is a rule, right? Our dress code should be followed, right? Isn't the argument here?

And in all my years of my own education and that of my sons and now my dd--I have NEVER seen a cheerleader prance around and/or show off her "ta tas and bits" A cheerleader here would be removed from the squad for that.

Why do you hate cheer leaders so much?

 

[aprilgail2]

How many Pep rallies do schools have?? Ours has ONE and it is right before homecoming. For football games you are lucky if parents come to see it never mind people without a kid on the team! Its just not that big of a deal here.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

How many Pep rallies do schools have?? Ours has ONE and it is right before homecoming. For football games you are lucky if parents come to see it never mind people without a kid on the team! Its just not that big of a deal here.

We had two. Season opening and homecoming.

 

[luvsJack]

How many Pep rallies do schools have?? Ours has ONE and it is right before homecoming. For football games you are lucky if parents come to see it never mind people without a kid on the team! Its just not that big of a deal here.

Ours has one every Friday that there is a game through football season. Unless there is state testing or something scheduled that day.

High school football is huge. Our school just built a much bigger stadium and it will be filled to over flowing tonight. The gate makes over 10,000 a game and we have a small school. Homecoming game--won't find a parking spot or a seat a hour before the game. Playoffs--best if the kids just stay after school! Otherwise they won't be parking or sitting.

 

[Lorelei Lee]

I think there's a lot extremist viewpoint being expressed here, both pro and against cheerleaders.

As I said earlier in the thread, my daughter's squad never wore their cheer uniforms to class. It was never an issue. On game day they wore their warm up suits. That way they looked like a team and they promoted school spirit. I think it's an appropriate solution. But I don't have a problem with the school relaxing the dress code to allow the cheerleaders to wear their uniforms to promote school spirit.

I do think the cheerleaders, the athletes, etc. are entitled to special recognition on game day. they earned it through countless hours of practice. I don't think they earned a "pass" for academic work, however.

I do think that kids who aren't cheerleaders or athletes deserve recognition in the fields where they succeed, be it academic or extracurricular.

It will never be "equal" for all kids, because some kids are overachievers and some are underachievers. We shouldn't try to make it equal. Life isn't fair, and our kids need to learn to deal with that and roll with the punches.

Not every girl on cheer or dance is a "mean girl" or a "show off". Some are, some are not. Not every insult hurled at a cheerleader or dancer is the result of envy, sometimes it's envy and sometimes it's because of girl drama caused by mean girl attitudes.

I raised two daughters, one who was a cheer leader and now coaches cheer leading, and one who was on dance team. They both had other activities. They are both strong, independent and confident young women. My older daughter became confident as a result, in part, of her participation in cheer. My younger daughter is confident and independent despite her two years on the dance team.

So can we please stop the generalizations?

 

[Granny square]

Ours has one every Friday that there is a game through football season. Unless there is state testing or something scheduled that day.

High school football is huge. Our school just built a much bigger stadium and it will be filled to over flowing tonight. The gate makes over 10,000 a game and we have a small school. Homecoming game--won't find a parking spot or a seat a hour before the game. Playoffs--best if the kids just stay after school! Otherwise they won't be parking or sitting.

If you don't mind my asking, what general area do you hail from?

High school football is well attended here. But we only have one pep rally a year. Classroom time is too important. For better or worse.

 

[Granny square]

It will never be "equal" for all kids, because some kids are overachievers and some are underachievers. We shouldn't try to make it equal. Life isn't fair, and our kids need to learn to deal with that and roll with the punches.

So can we please stop the generalizations?

People only want to say Life isn't fair and deal with it when it is applicable to others. Because every time people start throwing around rude terms about others and saying they are "entitled" the reverse is true.

Both of the extremes (those who think that the snowflakes are jealous and the snowflakes can't survive without wearing their short skirts) believe their way is the only way that is right.

There was a sneer in the op and there have been sneers in return.

So maybe both sides need to compromise. Doubt it will happen. People would rather be self righteously "right."

 

[luvsJack]

If you don't mind my asking, what general area do you hail from?

High school football is well attended here. But we only have one pep rally a year. Classroom time is too important. For better or worse.

South Mississippi

They have the time figured into the schedule by changing the bell schedule. Each block (class) is so many minutes with extra built in. On pep rally days, assembly days or days with something extra they go on "advisement schedule" so each class is a few minutes shorter and they end up with an extra "period" for whatever is going on that day.

 

[Granny square]

Figured it was the south. Went to school in Arkansas.

The school here has gotten so legalistic about everything sadly. I think it invites these kinds of issues. My opinion of course.

 

[mhsjax]

How many Pep rallies do schools have?? Ours has ONE and it is right before homecoming. For football games you are lucky if parents come to see it never mind people without a kid on the team! Its just not that big of a deal here.

Our football games are jam packed. We even tail gate complete with grilling out before games, well I don't but there are lots of people who do.

 

[mhsjax]

People only want to say Life isn't fair and deal with it when it is applicable to others. Because every time people start throwing around rude terms about others and saying they are "entitled" the reverse is true.

Both of the extremes (those who think that the snowflakes are jealous and the snowflakes can't survive without wearing their short skirts) believe their way is the only way that is right.

There was a sneer in the op and there have been sneers in return.

So maybe both sides need to compromise. Doubt it will happen. People would rather be self righteously "right."

NO that isn't true. WE tell our kids all the time that life isn't fair. My DD may try out next year, does it stink that she can't wear her uniform (if she makes it) on game days, Yep 100%. But it is that way it is, I don't like it but oh well tough., "life isn't fair" .

 

[Sorsha]

NO that isn't true. WE tell our kids all the time that life isn't fair. My DD may try out next year, does it stink that she can't wear her uniform (if she makes it) on game days, Yep 100%. But it is that way it is, I don't like it but oh well tough., "life isn't fair" .

I tend to quote movies at my kids. (Yes, I am weird that way, but that's neither here nor there.) Anyway...

One of the quotes they hear most often is from Princess Bride: "Life isn't fair, highness. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something."

 

[mhsjax]

I tend to quote movies at my kids. (Yes, I am weird that way, but that's neither here nor there.) Anyway...

One of the quotes they here most often is from Princess Bride: "Life isn't fair, highness. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something."

Lol We quote "life's not fair (complete with english accent) from The Lion King. They are teens and we still do it.